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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 10:37 PM
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an outsider's view

I'm thrilled to bits that Canada, be it Toronto, Calgary, or Edmonton, be building such impressively high towers that Vancouver nowhere near approaches. (Montreal stays cool on height, too, you'll notice)

But with Toronto Airport gearing up to be a hub like Chicago, New York, or another, to see Canada emerge on the world stage prosperous and sassy, even during difficult economic times, the accompanying buildings make a real statement. Love the Aura at College Park Tower, and One Bloor is totally magnificent. Bay-Adelaide is nifty, and you'll find designs in Toronto you won't find anywhere else in Canada. (Though out of respect, the same could be said for Montreal, as they've reached a level of 'classy elegance' not really so evident in the ROC)

Vancouver, where I'm from, has a conservative and restrained skyline, largely due to height zoning restrictions, "The Viewcones," which sometimes have a 'dumbing down' effect. Nevertheless, the city has some handsome buildings to be seen, often unlike others in Canada, too.

What Canada is coming up with is great, but please remember, height isn't everything, (London, Paris, Rome, Rio, Stockholm, Copenhagen, DC,) .... but those ideas are for another thread.

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Old Posted Feb 7, 2016, 11:13 PM
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Relative to places like Chicago, NY, and the Twin Cities, for example.
As I said, better served to compare year over year in a market than different markets and especially cross border markets.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2016, 9:45 PM
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2016, 9:47 PM
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As I said, better served to compare year over year in a market than different markets and especially cross border markets.
I understand that. I'm just surprised by the relatively low GDP per capita given all the economic activity that's happening. I love Toronto and there's no question it's a great city and is booming. Maybe that's going to change.
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I'm still not sure how I feel about this project.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2016, 12:42 AM
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I'm still not sure how I feel about this project.
I think the office tower turned out great, the towers look pretty good right now, but I hate the podium.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2016, 11:18 AM
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Towers look fine, above average condos.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2016, 11:09 AM
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2016, 8:27 PM
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When it stops being -40 degrees I'll do my own updates. But for now Marcanadian's images will have to do.





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Taller Tower - 233 Meters / Shorter Tower - 224 meters

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Old Posted Feb 14, 2016, 10:40 PM
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With all of this going on, why is the GTAs per capita GDP so relatively small?
The hollowing out of manufacturing is a large part of the equation. For decades it provided decent incomes for regular people. We can't all be software developers, insurance agents, or dentists. With the decline of manufacturing we just haven't found comparable paying jobs to replace what was lost or retrained people to take advantage of new growth industries. High tech is often cited as our saviour but it's coming off such a small base that it can't grow fast enough to mitigate the losses.

Downtown Toronto is NOT indicative of Toronto overall. One doesn't have to drive far from downtown before you hit massive swaths of Toronto that haven't taken part in the urban renewal and aren't doing all that well.

Yet the immigrants keep coming. Toronto does produce tons of jobs each year but the quality of those jobs just isn't there. A lot of them are positions at Walmart, 7Eleven, etc. They're a far cry from the mundane but relatively good income that could be had at a Christie biscuit or Massey-Ferguson factory back in the 70s or 80s. White collar 20 somethings look down upon manufacturing but that was Toronto's bread and butter for most of our history. Now it's gone and a huge proportion of our population are paying a heavy price for its implosion.

Canada is abit of an anomaly in the developed world in that its biggest cities (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver) aren't among its wealthiest; they're in the bottom quintile of Canadian CMAs. Yorkville, the CBD, and Rosedale are what people think of when one mentions Toronto, but Parkdale, the Junction, and Scarborough are more the norm.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2016, 4:27 PM
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I see infill and renovation everywhere. That said, we definitely shot ourselves in the foot when it comes to manufacturing. It doesn't help that for now generations anyone choosing the field has been frown upon by both peers and mentors.

The education system between Cologne and Toronto are night and day. Too many with useless arts degrees molding our students thinking following in their steps is the only recourse.

Can't too hung up on comparable indicators. Toronto is definitely among the wealthiest cities in the country despite a large immigrant population working menial jobs.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2016, 4:30 PM
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When it stops being -40 degrees I'll do my own updates. But for now Marcanadian's images will have to do.





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Taller Tower - 233 Meters / Shorter Tower - 224 meters

Too early to assess however, I'm not liking the grey spandrel with the "plastic" white railings.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2016, 10:13 PM
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Will not look as good as ICE Towers that's for sure.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2016, 11:19 PM
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Too early to assess however, I'm not liking the grey spandrel with the "plastic" white railings.
Call me old fashioned but clear glass balconies would've been preferable.
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2016, 12:15 AM
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The only concern with clear glass is that they become invisible like the wavy tower in Humber Bay Shores. The white would look sharp if they went with a dark spandrel colour.
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Clear glass also allows all the random garbage that gets put on balconies, to be seen by all. I think the solid trailing will add to the building esthetically and make it look a bit fdifferent then most other buildings.
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First Nordstom's Rack opening in One Bloor East:

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Old Posted Feb 16, 2016, 10:34 PM
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That's a shame. Won't help the corner to have a discount retailer open up in prime space. Hopefully it's second level.
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