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Old Posted Dec 23, 2014, 7:19 PM
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France and the UK do not ask people to be registered. In fact the UK doesn't even have ID cards (they had them only during WW2), whereas France has ID cards (although you don't need to change your ID card when you move to another address), but on the other hand their so-called "terror laws" are much more draconian and in breach of freedom than in France (thanks to 'Yo Blair').

Spain, Italy, Belgium, Germany, the Scandinavian countries all have population registers (other countries may have them too, but that's the ones I know). When you move into a municipality, you have to register yourself at the municipality in the population registers. If you don't, it makes life very difficult for you.

In France, when the authorities need to know your address for some administrative procedures (like when you register to take the driving test), they ask you to carry your utility bills to know your address. In the countries with population registers, they simply check in the population registers.

In any case the 2011 censuses were not based on the population registers. They were based on an individual count of the population just like the decennial censuses in the US. Many European countries like Germany had stopped carrying out censuses, because they thought the population registers were enough to know the number of people living in a given place, but the EU mandated them to carry out a EU-wide 2011 census, and the census results showed that the population registers were quite flawed (in our mobile society, people don't necessarily tell the authorities when they move out of a place, so they are not crossed out from the registers, and can be counted in two different places). That's why after the census Germany, Italy, and Spain had to correct all the population registers.

Now all EU countries will carry out another census in 2021 (except France which carries out an annual census... the results of the 2012 French census will be released next week in fact!).
Germany stopped carrying out censuses because of massive public opposition in the 80s and 90s amid paranoia about government infringement on people's privacy (previous censuses were called off because of boycotts and terror threats), not because population registers were thought to be good enough.
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Spain, Italy, Belgium, Germany, the Scandinavian countries all have population registers (other countries may have them too, but that's the ones I know). When you move into a municipality, you have to register yourself at the municipality in the population registers. If you don't, it makes life very difficult for you.
Netherlands too. But how does not registering make life difficult for you? Especially for temporary residents. A lot of students stay registered at their parent's home while actually living in the city in which they study for example. It just means that the mail from the municipality and the tax goes there and not to the place they actually live during the week.

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In any case the 2011 censuses were not based on the population registers. They were based on an individual count of the population just like the decennial censuses in the US. Many European countries like Germany had stopped carrying out censuses, because they thought the population registers were enough to know the number of people living in a given place, but the EU mandated them to carry out a EU-wide 2011 census, and the census results showed that the population registers were quite flawed (in our mobile society, people don't necessarily tell the authorities when they move out of a place, so they are not crossed out from the registers, and can be counted in two different places). That's why after the census Germany, Italy, and Spain had to correct all the population registers.
To my knowledge there was no "census" in the Netherlands in 2011 or anytime in the recent past.
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Looking at those figures, it's no wonder the far-right is on the rise in Sweden! On the other hand, it's a mystery to me how there is virtually no far-right movement in Francophone Belgium, especially in Brussels.
The far right is not "on the rise" in any significant way anywhere in Europe but in France! Everywhere else it remains marginal or "far right" is actually not that far right (UKIP and PVV while despicable are not "far right").

France is the only place where the party of Le Pen gets >25% of the vote and is a serious contender.
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To my knowledge there was no "census" in the Netherlands in 2011 or anytime in the recent past.
Then maybe that's why the Netherlands is the only country for which we have no data.
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The far right is not "on the rise" in any significant way anywhere in Europe but in France! Everywhere else it remains marginal or "far right" is actually not that far right (UKIP and PVV while despicable are not "far right").

France is the only place where the party of Le Pen gets >25% of the vote and is a serious contender.
Lol !

Yeah, yeah, the far-right is always nastier in foreign countries than in one's own.

Truth is, there is not much difference between the FN, UKIP, and PVV. Their agendas and political programs are nearly identical (except UKIP is more to the right in terms of economics).

And in Sweden the far-right is indeed on the rise. It went from having 0 MPs before 2010, to having 20 MPs in 2010, and 49 MPs in 2014. In comparison, the FN has only 2 MPs.
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Germany stopped carrying out censuses because of massive public opposition in the 80s and 90s amid paranoia about government infringement on people's privacy (previous censuses were called off because of boycotts and terror threats), not because population registers were thought to be good enough.
It's actually both. Germany stopped carrying out censuses due to opposition to the 1987 West German census, and also because they had population registers which they thought could replace the census. The 2011 census showed it was pretty optimistic. The German population was overestimated by 1.5 million people in the population registers.
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Lol !

Yeah, yeah, the far-right is always nastier in foreign countries than in one's own.

Truth is, there is not much difference between the FN, UKIP, and PVV. Their agendas and political programs are nearly identical (except UKIP is more to the right in terms of economics).

And in Sweden the far-right is indeed on the rise. It went from having 0 MPs before 2010, to having 20 MPs in 2010, and 49 MPs in 2014. In comparison, the FN has only 2 MPs.
Except Nigel Farage and Geert Wilders are not card carrying anti semites...

Sorry but the legacy of the FN is not so easily erased just by putting a fresh face on it (although I wouldn't exactely call Marine "fresh" ).

Technically the SD are "on the rise" but they receive <15% of the vote and are cordoned by all other parties and thus no change of being in government or having much influence. France is the only country where the FN receives >25% of the vote and is a serious contender of actually getting to power (also on the municipal level).

Also the FN has been a political force in France for a long time while most of these anti immigration parties in other countries are short lived or have a clear ceiling of 10-15% of the vote at most.
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Except Nigel Farage and Geert Wilders are not card carrying anti semites...
Marine Le Pen is not anti-Semite, and she wasn't forbidden entry in the UK, unlike your Geert Wilders.
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Technically the SD are "on the rise" but they receive <15% of the vote and are cordoned by all other parties and thus no change of being in government or having much influence.
Well it's exactly the same in France. The FN got only 13.6% of the votes at the legislative elections in 2012, and only 2 MPs.

The poster scores of the FN at the European elections and on the 1st round of the presidential elections is meaningless. It's just a way for people to vent their anger without any real consequences, because the European elections and the 1st round of the presidential elections is not where things are decided.

And the FN is cordoned by all parties just like in Sweden (the same cannot be said in the UK or the Netherlands).
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France is the only place where the party of Le Pen gets >25% of the vote and is a serious contender.
Will you plz stop teasing Brisavoine about our country? It's your nonsensical game. That was for the latest EU parliament election. Of course it's a shame, easy to summarize. The French are just upset at the EU cause they're still bound to their old welfare state that wasn't seriously upgraded since 1946. In such a shitty situation, the French are getting upset at pretty much the entire world. That's our fault, no one else's. We actually know, huh.

And note that our left wing is just as sucky as our nationalists. I find many of them somewhat xenophobic today and even reduced to calling Cuba and Venezuela some great democratic countries. The only reason why they don't pretend loving North Korea must be that it's Asian, whereas Latin America seems far sexier to those retards. I'm hardly kidding.

That's how bad it's getting over here, just because of that French lack of courage and effort to reform their welfare state that's more and more costly and liberticidal, and less and less productive and effective. Watch our growing unemployment and poverty rates. I can't tell how much I'm concerned about that. Some claim we might be in a pre-revolutionary condition. Fact is being revolutionary in today's France is simply to defend the basic economic freedoms. If only we could forget our suicidal, self-destructive social jealousies for a while and give a little more freedom to businesses in the country, it'd be insolently successful and you'd defintiely be jealous yourself.

You see how Brisavoine is acting? That's very French. The French will never agree on declining to the point of turning into a second-rate nation. That's the great thing of those excessively proud people, but may take some little violence sometimes.
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Marine Le Pen is not anti-Semite, and she wasn't forbidden entry in the UK, unlike your Geert Wilders.
Strange metric to use since it is totally arbitrary to allow Le Pen and not Wilders.

Marine might not be anti semite, but her father certainly is and there's still an air of anti semitism around that party. Even most PVV sympathisers don't want cooperation with FN because of this.

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Well it's exactly the same in France. The FN got only 13.6% of the votes at the legislative elections in 2012, and only 2 MPs.

The poster scores of the FN at the European elections and on the 1st round of the presidential elections is meaningless. It's just a way for people to vent their anger without any real consequences, because the European elections and the 1st round of the presidential elections is not where things are decided.
Fair enough. Still, FN has been a force in French politics far longer than all these new parties and is still going strong(er). It remains to be seen what happens in these other countries. PVV actually lost big in the European elections and the only other place where an anti immigration party won >25% which is Denmark it isn't near as radical and far right as FN. They're in the same European group as the UK Conservatives.

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And the FN is cordoned by all parties just like in Sweden (the same cannot be said in the UK or the Netherlands).
UKIP and PVV have exactely zero change of coming into government. There is no party that wants a coalition with the PVV either. The last construction where PVV supported the VVD/CDA coaltion was an informal one and since Geert Wilders blew it up, those parties are not going to try something like that again.
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And note that our left wing is just as sucky as our nationalists. I find many of them somewhat xenophobic today and even reduced to calling Cuba and Venezuela some great democratic countries. The only reason why they don't pretend loving North Korea must be that it's Asian, whereas Latin America seems far sexier to those retards. I'm hardly kidding.
We have a small percentage of these clowns here too. In the Nordics too. FREKI even voted for them!
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Marine might not be anti semite, but her father certainly is and there's still an air of anti semitism around that party.
No, the FN is Islamophobic, like your PVV, but not anti-semitic. Almost all the cadres have been changed. Le Pen father has lost all powers inside the party. In fact the FN has even become a rather gay (LGBT) party, which is quite odd. They did not take part in the mass rallies against gay marriage for instance, and several of their key cadres are gay. I remember the days when Le Pen father used to joke that in the Marais ("the Swamp", the gay district of Paris), "capon hunting" was open all year round...
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Even most PVV sympathisers don't want cooperation with FN because of this.
That's purely hypocritical, because they know the FN has a bad reputation outside of France, and don't want to be associated with them, even though they share the same ideas. It's the same in Belgium. The leaders of the N-VA don't want to be associated with the FN, even though to this day they defend rabid Flemish fascists and German collaborationists from WW2 who were far worse than the FN. There is such hypocrisy here!
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Still, FN has been a force in French politics far longer than all these new parties and is still going strong(er).
The FN plays the same role today as the French Communist party between 1945-1985. It's the main outlet to vent one's anger, but they have no serious chance to come to power.
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UKIP and PVV have exactely zero change of coming into government.
I wouldn't say that about UKIP. If there's a hung parliament at the next elections, the Conservatives will be tempted to form a coalition with UKIP.
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The results of the 2012 French census are out!

France has been conducting a yearly census for the past 10 years now, and the population tallies are published 3 years after the census. The results published today refer to January 1, 2012.

A few key points.

Net migration in 2011 turned out to be as catastrophic as ever. INSEE estimated Metropolitan France (the European part of France) had had a net migration of +50,000 in 2011. It turned out the net migration was in fact +47,426. This is the 3rd year in a row of net migration below +50,000.

Net migration in Metropolitan France:
2007 : +74,659
2008 : +66,930
2009 : +44,222
2010 : +43,354
2011 : +47,426

Given that 2011 was the 1st year in which the great migration of Southern Europeans to Northern Europe started, it looks like France is completely missing out on this migration. For comparison, in 2011 the UK had a net migration of +205,000 and Germany had a net migration of +279,330 (and +428,607 in 2013).

Migration in France is like an inverted form of the TFR issue in Eastern Europe. Just as the Eastern European societies and governments seem blissfully ignorant of their catastrophic TFR, French society and political elites are blissfully ignorant of their catastrophic attraction problem. The country simply does not attract other Europeans, but nobody cares, and in fact, thanks to 30 years of Le Pen family, most French people believe France welcomes the most immigrants in Europe and is submerged by a tsunami that needs building big dikes to protect from. If you said France had a problem attracting immigrants, and its net migration is super low for a large European country, people would look at you like you're a weirdo. Even Québec, which is 8 times less populated than France, attracts more international immigrants than France every year now. This is simply insane!

As a result of this lack of immigrants, the French metro areas which are not located in the Sunbelt, despite a good birth rate, have low or even negative growth. In 2011 the Paris Region registered its weakest growth since the 1990s. INSEE estimated that the Paris Region should have grown by 64,127 people (+0.54%) in 2011, but in fact it turned out it grew by only 45,651 people (+0.39%). This is not very surprising if France doesn't attract international immigrants, because French people are fleeing Paris, so it saps the growth of the Paris Region, despite its excellent birth rate.

For comparison, in 2011 the London LUZ (Greater London + 42 districts around) grew by 164,000 people (+1.27%), the Berlin metro area grew by 53,500 people (+1.24%), and the Munich metro area grew by 42,500 people (+1.67%). Paris Region: +45,651 people (+0.39%).

The City of Paris proper even managed to experience population decline in 2011 for the first time since 1996, which greatly discredits the trumpeted 'achievements' of the Delanoë-Hidalgo team who claim to be successful at repopulating Central Paris. The City of Paris lost 9,354 inhabitants (-0.42%) in 2011.

On the brighter side, the metro areas located in the Sunbelt boomed in 2011. Toulouse in particular seems to have recovered its stellar growth, which it had somehow lost since 2006. Haute-Garonne, the department of which Toulouse is the capital, had a population growth of "only" +1.22% per year between Jan. 2006 and Jan. 2011, its lowest growth since the 1970s, but in 2011 its growth jumped back to +1.52%. Similar jumps were observed in Gironde (Bordeaux), Loire-Atlantique (Nantes), and Hérault (Montpellier).

Rhône (the department of Lyon) had a population growth in 2011 perfectly in line with what INSEE expected: +1.07%.

I'll make the calculations for the metro areas today or tomorrow, as time allows (it needs adding thousands of communes, literally, thanks to France's crazy territorial division).

Finally overseas the French Caribbean is in deep crisis. Both Guadeloupe and Martinique experienced population decline in 2011. Martinique lost fully 1% of its population in one year, which is a lot. Even French Guiana surprised a lot. INSEE expected it had grown by +2.6% in 2011, but in fact it turned out it grew by only +0.88%, which is really, really low for French Guiana.

Of course that means more and more young people from these overseas departments are migrating to Metropolitan France. If we didn't count them, the net migration of Metropolitan France would be even lower than the +47,426 I have indicated.
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We have a small percentage of these clowns here too. In the Nordics too. FREKI even voted for them!
Whom did I vote for?
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Whom did I vote for?
Xenophobic far left/communists...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...82&postcount=5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...dic_Green_Left

No surprise though...
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The Folkebevægelsen mod EU is neither "far left, xenophobic nor communist", it's simply a party working towards us leaving the EU


If you want to make accusations do your homework mate!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peopl...against_the_EU
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You should have done your homework before voting because they are part of the European group that also includes communists and far left so at the very least they are guilty by association.

"Leaving the EU" is the very definition of xenophobic. Wouldn't want all those filthy Romanians, Bulgarians and who knows who more spoiling the Danish welfare state, now would we? This is btw a sentiment you have uttered here on this very forum more than once.

Of course in a democracy, you are fully entitled to vote for these counter productive nonsense parties that will never amount to anything. Luckily 91.9% of Danes didn't follow your example.
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You should have done your homework before voting because they are part of the European group that also includes communists and far left so at the very least they are guilty by association.
I don't care what group they are in as the MEP works towards the goal of us leaving the EU

Plus what is bad in communists and other leftish elements getting a say in politics?

Democracy 101 is all getting a voice - so it's in all's interest that all has representation from the islamic and christian extremists to the leftist anachists and hippies.



You simply need to respect that not all in this world shares your opinion and views and that they have a right to vote as they see their interest best represented..

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"Leaving the EU" is the very definition of xenophobic. Wouldn't want all those filthy Romanians, Bulgarians and who knows who more spoiling the Danish welfare state, now would we?
The Danish economy depends on skilled foreign workers and nothing will change that - my interest is getting our sovereignity back into our parliament so that Danes creates Danish laws and not people 1500km away who counld't show you Denmark on a map if they were paid for it..

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This is btw a sentiment you have uttered here on this very forum more than once.
You sure love to put words in people's mouths - so by all means how me where I have said "filthy Romanian and Bulgarians"


All I see is me being labelled a "guilty far left communist clown supporter" because I voted for an EU sceptic party


Had I voted Danish People's Party instead ( whom is the EU sceptic alternative ) I'm sure you would find an equally dumb label for whatever group they are part of despite not knowing the slighest of party politics..


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Indeed I am and so are you and everybody else - that's the beauty of democracy - all get's a voice regardless of how little others like that voice!
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I've made the calculations for the French metro areas based on the results of the 2012 census published on Monday. I've also calculated their growth rate in 2011.

In a nutshell, we have a booming "Sunbelt" from Rennes to Bordeaux to Montpellier. The metro areas of Rennes, Nantes, Bordeaux, and Toulouse in fact recorded their biggest absolute population growth in history in 2011!

The metro areas of Paris, Marseille, and Nice are stagnating. In the case of Paris, that's of course due to the fact that France has a super low net migration, unlike Germany and the UK, so the departure of French people from Paris is not compensated by the arrival of international immigrants as happens in London or Berlin.

Lyon is not booming like the Sunbelt metro areas, but it is growing strong. In fact in 2011 it recorded its highest growth rate since the 1960s economic boom. Its growth rate is still lagging compared to a similar metro area like Munich though, again because of a lack of international immigrants.

Finally the odd surprise was that the usual laggards in the north and north-east of France recovered some growth in 2011: the metro areas of Rouen, Lille, Strasbourg, even rustbelt Saint-Etienne all saw their growth rates rise above the national average. The metro area of Lille even managed to grow by +0.60% in 2011, which hadn't been seen in a long, long, LONG time. Paris is now growing less than Lille and Rouen!

Population on Jan. 1, 2012 (2011 growth rate in parenthesis):
1- Paris metro area: 12,341,418 (+0.39%)
2- Lyon metro area: 2,214,068 (+1.16%)
3- Marseille metro area: 1,727,070 (+0.36%)
4- Toulouse metro area: 1,270,760 (+1.64%)
5- Lille metro area (French part): 1,166,452 (+0.60%)
6- Bordeaux metro area: 1,158,431 (+1.56%)
7- Nice metro area: 1,004,914 (+0.10%)
8- Nantes metro area: 897,713 (+1.52%)
Geneva metro area (Swiss & French parts): 844,192 (+1.48%)
9- Strasbourg metro area (French part) : 768,868 (+0.64%)
10- Rennes metro area: 690,467 (+1.56%)
11- Grenoble metro area: 679,863 (+0.70%)
12- Rouen metro area: 658,285 (+0.50%)
13- Toulon metro area: 611,237 (+0.70%)
14- Montpellier metro area: 569,956 (+1.54%)
15- Douai-Lens metro area: 540,981 (-0.36%)
16- Avignon metro area: 515,536 (+0.08%)
17- Saint-Etienne metro area: 512,830 (+0.84%)
18- Tours metro area: 483,743 (+0.70%)
19- Clermont-Ferrand metro area: 469,922 (+0.59%)
20- Nancy metro area: 434,479 (-0.02%)

Population growth rate in 2011:
- Toulouse metro area: +1.64%
- Rennes metro area: +1.56%
- Bordeaux metro area: +1.56%
- Montpellier metro area: +1.54%
- Nantes metro area: +1.52%
- Geneva metro area (Swiss & French parts): +1.48%
- Lyon metro area: +1.16%
- Saint-Etienne metro area: +0.84%
- Grenoble metro area: +0.70%
- Tours metro area: +0.70%
- Toulon metro area: +0.70%
- Strasbourg metro area (French part): +0.64%
- Lille metro area (French part): +0.60%
- Clermont-Ferrand metro area: +0.59%
- Rouen metro area: +0.50%
METROPOLITAN FRANCE (the European part of France): +0.48%
- Paris metro area: +0.39%
- Marseille metro area: +0.36%
- Nice metro area: +0.10%
- Avignon metro area: +0.08%
- Nancy metro area: -0.02%
- Douai-Lens metro area: -0.36%

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An interesting poll conducted in France by IFOP in 2014.

Percentage of people living in France who think there are too many of each group in France:
- Maghrebans: 51% (i.e. 51% of the people living in France think there are too many Maghrebans in France; back in 1966, the same IFOP poll found 62% of the people living in France thought there were too many Maghrebans in France)
- Muslim people: 51%
- foreigners in general: 40% (down from 51% back in 1966)
- Black Africans (from sub-Saharan Africa): 36% (up from 18% back in 1966)
- Asians (that means "East Asians" in France): 20%
- Jews: 16%
- Protestants: 7%

Percentage of people with Muslim origin in France who define themselves as:
- practicing Muslim believer: 42% (i.e. 42% of people who have Muslim ancestry and who live in France define themselves as practicing Muslim believers)
- Muslim believer (but not practicing): 34%
- of Muslim origin: 21% (i.e. 21% of people who have Muslim ancestry and who live in France define themselves only as "of Muslim origin")
- not religious: 3%

That 42% figure makes me laugh a bit. People seem very "generous" with what they term "practicing". There is no way 42% of the people with Muslim origin in France make the prayer 5 times a day, go to the Mosque every Friday, do the zakat, and whatnot. For most of them I would think "practicing" means they do the Ramadan, perhaps go to a mosque once in a while, and that's about it.

Percentage of each group who think the Jews have too much power in the economy and the finance world:
- all the people of France: 25% (i.e. 25% of all the inhabitants of France think the Jews have too much power in the economy and in the finance world)
- practicing Muslim believers: 74% (i.e. 74% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France think the Jews have too much power in the economy and in the finance world)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 69%
- people "of Muslim origin": 52%

Percentage of each group who think the French authorities fight more against antisemitism than against racism:
- all the people of France: 35% (i.e. 35% of all the people of France think the French authorities fight more against antisemitism than against racism)
- practicing Muslim believers: 72% (i.e. 72% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France think the French authorities fight more against antisemitism than against racism)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 65%
- people "of Muslim origin": 54%

Percentage of each group who, if they could, would personally avoid to have a Jewish neighbor:
- all the people of France: 6% (i.e. 6% of all the people of France would personally avoid to have a Jewish neighbor)
- practicing Muslim believers: 14% (i.e. 14% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France would personally avoid to have a Jewish neighbor)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 7%
- people "of Muslim origin": 2%

Percentage of each group who, when they personally hear that someone they are acquainted with is Jewish, just don't care about it:
- all the people of France: 91% (i.e. 91% of all the people of France just don't care when they hear that someone they are acquainted with is Jewish; 3% like it, 3% dislike it, 3% have no opinion)
- practicing Muslim believers: 86% (i.e. 86% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France just don't care when they hear that someone they are acquainted with is Jewish; 5% like it, 7% dislike it, 2% have no opinion)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 85% (9% like it, 6% dislike it)
- people "of Muslim origin": 86% (11% like it, 1% dislike it, 2% have no opinion)

The next one is odd. The Muslim people seem more accepting of the Frenchness of the Jews than the French people themselves.

Percentage of each group who think that a Jewish Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman:
- all the people of France: 84% (i.e. 84% of all the people of France think that a Jewish Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman; back in 1946, the same IFOP poll found that only 37% of the people of France thought that a Jewish Frenchman was as French as any other Frenchman; in 1966 it was 60%; in 1978 it was 83%)
- people who voted for Marine Le Pen at the 2012 presidential elections: 63% (i.e. 63% of the people who voted for Marine Le Pen at the 2012 presidential elections think that a Jewish Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman)
- practicing Muslim believers: 90% (i.e. 90% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France think that a Jewish Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 91%
- people "of Muslim origin": 92%

The next one is not surprising. The French Muslims think they are as French as any other Frenchmen.

Percentage of each group who think that a Muslim Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman:
- all the people of France: 65% (i.e. 65% of all the people of France think that a Muslim Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman; down from 79% in 2005)
- people who voted for Marine Le Pen at the 2012 presidential elections: 30% (i.e. 30% of the people who voted for Marine Le Pen at the 2012 presidential elections think that a Muslim Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman)
- practicing Muslim believers: 89% (i.e. 89% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France think that a Muslim Frenchman is as French as any other Frenchman)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 91%
- people "of Muslim origin": 89%

Percentage of each group who trust the French school system/the teachers:
- all the people of France: 67% (i.e. 67% of all the people of France trust the French school system/the teachers)
- practicing Muslim believers: 72% (i.e. 72% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France trust the French school system/the teachers)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 74%
- people "of Muslim origin": 79%

Percentage of each group who trust the French State:
- all the people of France: 24% (i.e. 24% of all the people of France trust the French State)
- practicing Muslim believers: 33% (i.e. 33% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France trust the French State)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 38%
- people "of Muslim origin": 34%

Muslim europhiles!

Percentage of each group who trust the European Union:
- all the people of France: 32% (i.e. 32% of all the people of France trust the European Union)
- practicing Muslim believers: 38% (i.e. 38% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France trust the European Union)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 40%
- people "of Muslim origin": 51%

Muslim demoracy-enthusiasts!

Percentage of each group who think that in France, the democratic system is working well:
- all the people of France: 32% (i.e. 32% of all the people of France think that in France, the democratic system is working well; 68% think it is not working well)
- practicing Muslim believers: 54% (i.e. 54% of the practicing Muslim believers who live in France think that in France, the democratic system is working well)
- Muslim believers (but not practicing): 58%
- people "of Muslim origin": 68%
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The population of France on Jan. 1, 2015, as published by INSEE and its sister agencies in the overseas collectivities.

Population of the French Republic on Jan. 1, 2015:
- 101 departments + Lyon Metropolis: 66,318,000 (+0.45% compared to Jan. 1, 2014)
- French Polynesia: 271,400 (+0.43%)
- New Caledonia: 270,400 (+1.79%)
- St Martin: 35,600 (-0.10%)
- Wallis & Futuna: 11,900 (-1.93%)
- St Barth: 9,600 (+1.56%)
- St Pierre & Miquelon: 6,050 (-0.15%)
TOTAL: 66,923,000

The territory of the French Republic that belongs to the EU is made up of the 101 departments + the Lyon Metropolis + St Martin. Its population on Jan. 1, 2015 was 66,353,600 inhabitants. That's the figure that is used for all calculations by EU Brussels authorities (like the share of votes attributed to France at the European Council).
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