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[StoOgE]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Downtown itself is so crowded. There is room to meet office demand but it would yield very slender and tall towers. Unless they start building in the northern part of Lower Manhattan (Parallel to Canal St.) or even near Beekman Tower, then they would have plenty of room.

What I'd really like to see is taller structures going along the West Side Highway. Prime views and it would create a wall from Battery Park City to the Hudson Yards Area.

World Financial Center is such a pain to get too. I have meetings there 3-4 times a week and it's just awful. It will probably get better once the WTC site re-opens but the West Side highway is not easy to cross.

[reencharles]

Another building that "could be".

[chris08876]

If i'm not mistaken there's 5 (900-999 ft range) towers currently standing and plenty more probably proposed. Nevertheless its more then most places and still a feat of the cities economy.

This will be probably the tallest proximity of blocks next to the future Hudson Yards.

[hunser]

Originally Posted by chris08876

If i'm not mistaken there's 5 (900-999 ft range) towers currently standing and plenty more probably proposed. Nevertheless its more then most places and still a feat of the cities economy.

This will be probably the tallest proximity of blocks next to the future Hudson Yards.

From the New York supertalls thread:

1. Four World Trade Center, 977ft (297,8m), Topped Out
2. 22 Thames Street, 960ft (292,6m), Proposed
3. Equinox Tower, 950ft (290m), Approved
4. American International Building, 952ft (290,2m), Completed
5. Bloomberg Tower, 941ft (286,6m), Completed [when counting the spire]
6. One Madison Avenue, 937ft (285,6m), Proposed
7. Two Manhattan West, 935ft (285m), Approved
8. 40 Wall Street, 927ft (282,6m), Completed
9. 30 Park Place, 926ft (282,4m), Under Construction (currently on hold, work to resume soon)
10. Citigroup Center, 915ft (278,9m), Completed
11. Hudson Yards South Tower, 905ft (275,8m), Under Construction (aka Coach Tower)
12. 107 West 57th Street, 900ft+ (274,3m), Approved

[NYguy]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dai...k-to-gov-cuomo

Another Developer Set To Receive Lucrative Tax Breaks Gave Big Donations To Gov. Cuomo

BY Ken Lovett
August 15, 2013

The deep-pocketed real estate investors who plan to build a deluxe high-rise residential tower next to the landmark former stock exchange building in lower Manhattan lavished Gov. Cuomo with $76,000 in campaign donations just weeks before Cuomo approved a lucrative tax break for their property. Three partners at Fisher Brothers,--Winston Fisher, Kenneth Fisher, and Martin Edelman--each cut $25,000 checks to Cuomo on Dec. 27. Edelman kicked in an additional $1,000 on Jan. 11, and Cuomo okayed the tax breaks Jan. 30.

It’s unclear how much Fisher Brothers will receive in tax breaks for its tower, which will be located at 22 Thames Street. Fisher Brothers tore down the former Western Electric Factory Building that shared the same merged zoned lot with the former American Stock Exchange. A different developer is looking to convert the historic stock exchange building into a hotel with retail space.

The $76,000 in recent Fisher Brothers-related donations to Cuomo is on top of the more than $500,000 the company gave in 2011 to the Committee To Save New York, a pro-business lobby group created to push the governor’s agenda.

A little bit more about that retail conversion can be read here...

http://tribecatrib.com/content/city-...hange-building
City Looks Into Store Windows on Former Stock Exchange Building



Twenty-six-foot-high storefront windows were proposed for the Greenwich Street side of the former American Stock Exchange building
as part of a conversion of the landmark to a hotel, with commercial spaces on the ground floor.

[hunser]

http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/l...ring-22-thames

By
ALINE REYNOLDS AND CARL GLASSMAN
Posted
Sep. 17, 2013

Developers of a proposed 70-story residential tower at 22 Thames St. revealed the design of its glass-enclosed base, which will house more than 11,000 square feet of retail. Wrapping the corner of Greenwich and Thames Streets, the five-level "podium," with two floors of retail topped by up to nearly 450 rental apartments, would stand next to the landmark former American Stock Exchange building, now set for conversion to a hotel.

Representatives for the developers, Fisher Brothers and The Witkoff Group, showed Rafael Viñoly Architects' new renderings to Community Board 1's Financial District Committee last week as part of the application process for a zoning variance. They are seeking approval to build shallower setbacks—stepped recesses from the building’s street front—than the current law allows. With the additional, rentable space, the developers would build up to 882 feet (70 stories), rather than the allowable 1,048 feet (85 stories), which they say is cost-prohibitive.

The committee voted to support the developers' variance application.

The sidewalk along Thames Street is a mere three-and-a-half feet wide. In order to accommodate the additional foot traffic and provide a sidewalk that is 10 feet wider, the building's ground floor would be set back and be covered by an overhanging second floor.

Alex Adams, a project executive for Fisher Brothers, said it was likely that a food-related business would occupy the bottom two floors.
- See more at: http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/l....21GfkDwQ.dpuf

What a let-down, not even 900 feet.

This taboo of not "disturbing" the WTC or building higher than 1WTC has to stop!

[JayPro]

882 ain't shabby at all.
I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that not building higher than 1WTC suggests some kind of taboo or unwritten mandate against it is somehow in place.
Downtown needs a definite peak and it's been restored..at least in two of four stages, the most important one between them.
The other two will strengthen this, and IMO will prove the only definitive peak that Lower Manhattan will need. Adding another supertall anywhere else will ruin the still viable Libeskindian upward spiral principal.
What I'm trying to say here is that any additional tower that gets greenlighted within the WTC's periphery should be designed to enhance the abovementioned Libeskindian concept. It would seem to me that 99 Church/30 PP will do this, as will 50 West.
This one seems to do the same.
The key here is that any tower built around WTC should be less than 150 Greenwich.

BTW, 80 South (which we haven't heard much about status-wise for some peculiar reason) *does* break the 1000' plateau, but in a part of the skyline that might not cause too much of a visual interruption from the prominence that should be WTC II's.

[tdawg]

wait, is there seriously an Equinox-branded tower going up at Hudson Yards? No wonder my dues keep going up every year.

[UTEPman]

Originally Posted by JayPro

882 ain't shabby at all.
I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that not building higher than 1WTC suggests some kind of taboo or unwritten mandate against it is somehow in place.
Downtown needs a definite peak and it's been restored..at least in two of four stages, the most important one between them.
The other two will strengthen this, and IMO will prove the only definitive peak that Lower Manhattan will need. Adding another supertall anywhere else will ruin the still viable Libeskindian upward spiral principal.
What I'm trying to say here is that any additional tower that gets greenlighted within the WTC's periphery should be designed to enhance the abovementioned Libeskindian concept. It would seem to me that 99 Church/30 PP will do this, as will 50 West.
This one seems to do the same.
The key here is that any tower built around WTC should be less than 150 Greenwich.

BTW, 80 South (which we haven't heard much about status-wise for some peculiar reason) *does* break the 1000' plateau, but in a part of the skyline that might not cause too much of a visual interruption from the prominence that should be WTC II's.

If the WTC site wanted to forever be the "peak" of lower Manhattan, they should have built a lot taller than what they did.

[JayPro]

Well, that's another argument for another thread; but I'll say this.
Perhaps the best of two chances to see that happen was with Lord Fosters ridiculous--and, given what one would usually expect from him, gravely disappointing--"Kissing Twins". Then you had Mr. Libeskind's 2000' multipurpose tower which most folks with a bent towards practicality (read: real life and all things appertaining thereto) rejected offhand...although IMO it might've proven an intriguing experiment.
Foster's overwhelming down side (i.e. complete absence and lack of anything good to say about it at least IMO) was a domineering monolith over Downtown 10x worse than the Twins pre-World Financial Center. OTOH, 200 Greenwich is a complete 180-degree turn in terms of anything one can bring to bear on the subject.
Libeskind's project, as I said, could've been truly feasible if more attention were paid to the region's immediate needs post-911, i.e. job/retail/business recoup. It seems to me he wanted something more in the lines of a vertical memorial park.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by UTEPman

If the WTC site wanted to forever be the "peak" of lower Manhattan, they should have built a lot taller than what they did.

It was never going to be taller than the Freedom Tower, one way or the other.

Originally Posted by hunser

http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/l...ring-22-thames

What a let-down, not even 900 feet.

882 ft is still a good height. A great height actually, considering what this tower is. The number of floors hasn't changed, so who knows what the height will eventually be.

Originally Posted by tdawg

wait, is there seriously an Equinox-branded tower going up at Hudson Yards? No wonder my dues keep going up every year.

Well the "Equinox" tower will be the headquarters of Related as well as Oxford's US headquarters, along with Equinox. It's the tower for the "home" team in the development. There's more on that in the thread, but here's a little:

http://www.related.com/our-company/p...-Fitness-Clubs

In February of 2006, Related acquired Equinox Fitness Clubs®, extending our lifestyle offering by adding the perfect amenity partner to our luxury properties.

With Equinox on board, Related now enjoys a number of key strategic opportunities: We are able to secure a well-known brand as a quality anchor tenant for key current and future developments, and we are able to enhance the quality of our amenities and facilities available to residents.

Equinox will leverage Related’s real estate expertise and relationships to more efficiently secure sites. And, both firms will benefit from current national growth plans already underway in key urban centers.

[NYguy]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...46581665911064

Forging Ahead After Tragedies






By Sarah Rose
Dec. 8, 2013

The Fisher family is once again hitting its stride as real-estate developers about a decade after tragedy prematurely thrust the third generation into leadership roles. Fisher Brothers, one of New York's best known real-estate dynasties, has seven developments either underway or about to break ground soon in New York and Washington. That's the most the family has had in the pipeline since the deaths of Anthony Fisher, 52 years old, in a 2003 plane crash, and his brother, Richard, 65, three years later of cancer.

The company is now being run primarily by Richard's son, Winston, and Winston's cousins Kenneth and Steven. Kenneth and Steven's father, Arnold, 81, is still active in the business but has become less involved in day-to-day operations.

Fisher Brothers remained financially solid in the aftermath of Anthony and Richard's deaths, but initially did little development. "It was all about keeping the ship sailing straight then, getting back to the basics," said Kenneth, 55, who oversees marketing and leasing.

The family's latest push into development is a sign the new generation is willing to take more risk. Projects underway include the conversion of an office building at 37 Warren St. into condominiums and the development of a 378-rental apartment building at 701 Second St. NE in Washington, D.C. Among the upcoming groundbreakings: A venture of Fisher Brothers and Witkoff Group is planning to begin construction on a 71-story rental apartment tower at 123 Greenwich St. next year.

"Those are my kind of people," says Steven Witkoff, who also is working with them on a condo development at 101 Murray St. He says that he particularly likes the way that the third generation still defers to Arnold on some matters.

"There's something to be said about a next generation that has a deep respect for the generation that's beginning to hand off," Mr. Witkoff says.

[JayPro]

::Channeling the aura of Jerry Colonna::
"...Ah yes; somthing new has been added."

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

That design looks promising.

[scalziand]

I'm calling it the Lincoln Log.

[SD_Phil]

It's crazy that a nearly 900 foot highrise looks so short in that context.

[Perklol]

Which one is it? Is he pointing to something else??

[JayPro]

Ignore the pointing guy dude. He must have cataracts.
Matter of fact, ignore the guy at right who just looks pissed off and ready to do something violent to the photographer for shooting a pic that just happened to have him in it.
Follow the downward gaze of the gent in the scarlet power tie and you'll have the answer to your first question.

[scalziand]

^Pointing guy dude is pointing at the Trinity tower site.

[antinimby]

So the design's changed since I'm seeing cut outs where the previous renderings did not show.