NEW YORK | Central Park Tower (Nordstrom)| 1,550 FT | 131 FLOORS - Page 180

artspook · #**3581** Posted **Aug 29, 2015, 6:00 AM**

about celebratory "CPT beginnings" . . photos (above) . .
ILNY - once again - great pics ! . . I'm smitten by the 2 just below the "Liftoff" comment
. . parting shots of a soon to be covered-over hole . . the scene has a perfect vibe . .
an industrial avant-garde venue . . conducive to serious rock-n-roll art-partying . .

Yee-Har ! Do the Watusi - step on some nails and pass that champaign ! . .
2 heavy duty crane bases with deep yellow cross-bracing . . so dangerous - baby ! . .
yet another monster tower-crane-base - this one white . . Construction paraphernalia &
concrete dust strewn everywhere . . wang-doodle doodads lookin' impressive . . .
major mean steel columns vaulting up out of the floor . . like super-duper Reality.

All we need is a dJ - hardhats - booze - canapes - a celebrity - hard-core attitude . .
Why not sprinkle in super-models ? . . . What A basement ! . . 5 stories deep ! . .
Tantalizing digs for an Extreme-underground CPT rave . . Build baby build ! . .
Shake your booty & don't rip your jugular on that rusty pipe . .
CPT - already energetic . . and what about the "piece de resistance" ? - the brash spire -
How about Daring Do ! All the way this time ? . . Do it !

WIGGLEWORTH · #**3582** Posted **Aug 29, 2015, 6:13 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876

Patience lol. It will happen. Usually once the foundation is in place, and all of the preliminary work finishes, once steel re-bar is in, and they start making the skeleton for the structure, yes, the main mass of the tower will rise. But... they have to work on getting there.

Only in Sim City can you build a skyscraper instantly without any foundation work.

I know

I'm just very eager and don't know enough about construction to know the TIMEFRAME of each portion of building.

one4all · #**3583** Posted **Aug 31, 2015, 6:12 PM**

Bottom Cellar Steel in!

(sorry it's so large)

upward 2000 · #**3584** Posted **Sep 2, 2015, 4:11 AM**

We are now going vertical with steel!

aquablue · #**3585** Posted **Sep 3, 2015, 6:23 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by artspook

about celebratory "CPT beginnings" . . photos (above) . .
ILNY - once again - great pics ! . . I'm smitten by the 2 just below the "Liftoff" comment
. . parting shots of a soon to be covered-over hole . . the scene has a perfect vibe . .
an industrial avant-garde venue . . conducive to serious rock-n-roll art-partying . .

Yee-Har ! Do the Watusi - step on some nails and pass that champaign ! . .
2 heavy duty crane bases with deep yellow cross-bracing . . so dangerous - baby ! . .
yet another monster tower-crane-base - this one white . . Construction paraphernalia &
concrete dust strewn everywhere . . wang-doodle doodads lookin' impressive . . .
major mean steel columns vaulting up out of the floor . . like super-duper Reality.

All we need is a dJ - hardhats - booze - canapes - a celebrity - hard-core attitude . .
Why not sprinkle in super-models ? . . . What A basement ! . . 5 stories deep ! . .
Tantalizing digs for an Extreme-underground CPT rave . . Build baby build ! . .
Shake your booty & don't rip your jugular on that rusty pipe . .
CPT - already energetic . . and what about the "piece de resistance" ? - the brash spire -
How about Daring Do ! All the way this time ? . . Do it !

Invite me to that little soiree, sounds very interesting.

artspook · #**3586** Posted **Sep 7, 2015, 9:07 AM**

no cover for you - and all you can drink aquablue . . just sign the waiver . . .
the 2 towers at this location are gonna rock this town but good.
any word from anyone on the spire ?. .
the flat line of NYC's highest roof segues into the sky . .
through its perfectly fitting streamlined spire . .
which gives the building visual sovereignty on the skyline's northern flank . .
it's gotta happen.

chris08876 · #**3587** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 2:03 PM**

NEW YORK | 217 West 57th (Nordstrom)| 1,550 FT paraphet | 99 FLOORS

Nordstrom Tower Has Lost Its Spire, Will Stand 1,550 Feet Tall

Quote:

Last month, a rep for Extell told the NY Post that all images of Nordstrom Tower released so far are inaccurate, which is especially confusing considering some of the images came from documents produced in-house at the firm. But the PR doublespeak is technically correct, and YIMBY can now confirm that there has indeed been an additional tweak to the plans, and the country’s future tallest building (by roof height) has been scalped of its spire.

Two separate project insiders contacted by YIMBY confirmed that the most recent construction documents left out any indications of a spire, and also sent along the latest schematics, allowing us to create updated renderings of the building. In the realm of absolute English relativity, this does validate the PR team’s claim that the renderings released so far are not final, in that the version presented by Extell earlier this year was not yet value-engineered. Besides discarding the spire, changes appear to have been minimal, although the parapet height has seen a boost to 1,550 feet, and the floor count has increased to 99.

Given the value-engineering that happened at One57, a repeat would seem more likely than not at Nordstrom Tower, and any architectural flourishes beyond the bare-minimum in the design spec are only likely to be found on the interiors. Still, the hand of architects Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill should result in something that transforms the skyline in a positive manner, somewhat resembling a taller and more angular version of the firm’s Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago.

One57’s fault isn’t so much its form as its “waterfall” color palette and the mechanicals grills visible up top, and these are both problems that 217 West 57th’s sleek design should avoid, with rooftop hardware encased behind the glass parapets. And while the official height may have been reduced from 1,795 feet, a rooftop 1,550 feet above street level will still make it the tallest building by that measure in the United States, surpassing the 1,450-foot top of the Willis Tower in Chicago (and the 1,397-foot peak of 432 Park Avenue here in New York City).

The building has been officially dubbed “Central Park Tower” despite the fact it is not on the Park. 220 Central Park South, now rising across 59th Street, will also obstruct a large portion of the first 1,000 feet of Nordstrom Tower’s Park views. But while many decry the impact of all the new height on the Manhattan skyline, the positive externalities of the project will stretch even farther than the fallacies of its NIMBY opponents.

Combined with the new retail components of 432 Park Avenue, Nordstrom Tower’s rise will likely result in new goal-posts for high-end shopping along 57th Street, with the corridor between Broadway and Park potentially emerging as a rival to the upper 50s along Fifth Avenue. With tourists arriving in record numbers and hotel construction also reaching new highs, the expansion of Midtown’s luxury retail core will translate into more jobs for New Yorkers and more tax dollars for the city.

Cranes are now going up, foundation pouring is underway, and building permits confirm something exceedingly similar to what’s already been posted will indeed rise.

While it seems the spire has been removed, it is always possible that it may return at the last minute, and the most recent changes could simply be a bid for discretion. Though the measure is extreme, it is not without precedent in New York City’s history.

======================
nyy

Busy Bee · #**3588** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 2:09 PM**

Case closed.

hunser · #**3589** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 3:25 PM**

Quote:

99 FLOORS

You gotta be kidding me! Make it an even 100!

http://www.yimbynews.com/2015/09/nor...ws_9_8_2015%29

WIGGLEWORTH · #**3590** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 3:54 PM**

Well that's all folks. Sorta funny that we had all this up and down just for it to end up exactly like it was supposed to at the start...

one4all · #**3591** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 3:55 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876

NEW YORK | 217 West 57th (Nordstrom)| 1,550 FT paraphet | 99 FLOORS

Nordstrom Tower Has Lost Its Spire, Will Stand 1,550 Feet Tall

======================
nyy

Someone was willing to leak more than I was (

), but as we know, this spire issue could easily (and hopefully will!) change come next document issuance in early November.

dendenden · #**3592** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 4:28 PM**

if there's one thing you can count on with NYC skyscrapers, it's a height cut. If they cut the steinway I will explode!

Foosh · #**3593** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 4:37 PM**

Well that's disheartening, 1776 better not be the unofficial height that buildings are not allowed to build taller than!!!

ILNY · #**3594** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 5:36 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by dendenden

if there's one thing you can count on with NYC skyscrapers, it's a height cut. If they cut the steinway I will explode!

Its actually 20 ft height increase.

colemonkee · #**3595** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 6:30 PM**

I think it looks just fine without the spire. I liked it with the spire as well, but the version without still works.

dendenden · #**3596** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 7:11 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILNY

Its actually 20 ft height increase.

it went from 1795 to 1550. that is a height cut.

viewguysf · #**3597** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 7:29 PM**

The entire spire rule needs to be revisited; it's been much the topic of conversation between San Francisco and Los Angeles too. Certain spires are an intrinsic part of towers (Chrysler and Empire State buildings), while others are basically stuck on sticks or masts (Trump Tower Chicago, 1 WTC, Wilshire Grand LA).

sparkling · #**3598** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 7:32 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by dendenden

it went from 1795 to 1550. that is a height cut.

He meant the parapet as many don't really care about the spire. Different people, different perspectives!

chris08876 · #**3599** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 7:34 PM**

I'm glad it will at least will lead in the rankings for tallest roof in the Western Hemisphere.

On the topic of the spire rule, for a tower such as this, if the spire was to be built, it makes sense, likewise for WTC1 as it is obvious and part of the design. Towers such as the New York Times Building, its a metal pvc pipe that shouldn't count. For some towers which the spire adds a significant architectural touch, it matters, but for others, its just bs. Just one of those debates that will go in for decades I guess. In the end, who cares. If it makes the skyline look great, its a win-win.

What is important though, is that the title changes for this.... and 30 Hudson.

Kamuix · #**3600** Posted **Sep 8, 2015, 7:39 PM**

I like the new one especially having increased the real building height (from the eyes point of view)

Besides new York has enough buildings with spires that in many perspectives unfairly make them supertalls especially Bank of America Tower and New York Times Tower. New York times tower doesn't even reach 250 meters and it's a supertall?

EDIT: the spires do look neat though