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Old Posted Dec 28, 2019, 5:10 PM
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This is first-ever new PHX airport hotel.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...ughes-11409871

What do you think of it?
No idea what you are linking to...
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2020, 7:00 PM
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Looks like the building pad for the T4 South gates is ready. This is going to look very different over the next year.
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2020, 5:52 AM
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I just hope they eventually modernize Terminal 4 like they did with Terminal 3. You could walk through time in T4. With this new concourse walking counter clockwise you can walk from this new modern concourse D to the other Concourse D which is somewhat Frank Lloyd Wright inspired then concourses C, B and A which all have brutalist elements and architecture with low ceilings that make it feel very crowded and confined. It's how you say very eclectic but not very cohesive.
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I just hope they eventually modernize Terminal 4 like they did with Terminal 3. You could walk through time in T4. With this new concourse walking counter clockwise you can walk from this new modern concourse D to the other Concourse D which is somewhat Frank Lloyd Wright inspired then concourses C, B and A which all have brutalist elements and architecture with low ceilings that make it feel very crowded and confined. It's how you say very eclectic but not very cohesive.
It seemed to me the plan was to modernize terminal 4 after the west terminal is built. I’d expect the same way they did with 3. Gotta have somewhere to put the gates already in use while they’re worked on. But I can’t imagine that will be for quite some time.

As eclectic as terminal 4 is - its a hell of a lot nicer than some other airports...
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It seemed to me the plan was to modernize terminal 4 after the west terminal is built. I’d expect the same way they did with 3. Gotta have somewhere to put the gates already in use while they’re worked on. But I can’t imagine that will be for quite some time.

As eclectic as terminal 4 is - its a hell of a lot nicer than some other airports...
Yeah at least even the older concourses on 4 have been updated with new floors, paint and bathrooms
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American Express opens two exclusive lounges in Sky Harbor Airport

Now open at Sky Harbor! Can't wait to check out next month...love these

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...ounges-in.html
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2020, 5:07 AM
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Yeah at least even the older concourses on 4 have been updated with new floors, paint and bathrooms
Yes, they already repaint, new lights, new floors, and new bathrooms, as well. So now, it is completely. I was there during the entire concourse renovation. I visited into the entire concourse. When I done at work. I went through security to see any news going on.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2020, 4:42 AM
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It seemed to me the plan was to modernize terminal 4 after the west terminal is built. I’d expect the same way they did with 3. Gotta have somewhere to put the gates already in use while they’re worked on. But I can’t imagine that will be for quite some time.

As eclectic as terminal 4 is - its a hell of a lot nicer than some other airports...
Yes, Terminal 4 is next after Terminal 3 upgrades are done(soon). I have recent pics of inside T3 North. They are set to open very early February. If I can find time I'll post them
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Yes, Terminal 4 is next after Terminal 3 upgrades are done(soon). I have recent pics of inside T3 North. They are set to open very early February. If I can find time I'll post them
I'd be curious to learn more about this - according to the 20 year plan that was released recently - it looked like T4 had no modernization upgrades (sans the Southwest gates) until after West Terminal is completed. Likely because they will need to shuffle airlines around until they get it all completed.

And specifically, the only upgrades mentioned for T4 were for the international concourse - which was being reworked to accommodate larger aircraft, among other things.
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Yes, Terminal 4 is next after Terminal 3 upgrades are done(soon). I have recent pics of inside T3 North. They are set to open very early February. If I can find time I'll post them
I agree. I don't remember when they expanded/renovated but for a terminal completed in 1990 it looks fantastic and not dated at all (to me). Certainly nicer than many other major airports' terminals.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2020, 10:19 PM
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Yes, Terminal 4 is next after Terminal 3 upgrades are done(soon). I have recent pics of inside T3 North. They are set to open very early February. If I can find time I'll post them
Me, too. I am going to see new T3N concourse sometime in early February. We have someone will take me inside the entire concourse tour. I will take a pictures. I can post it here.
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City wants businesses to pitch in so Phoenix can get a direct flight to Asia

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Mayor Gallego’s goal is to fly nonstop from Phoenix to Tokyo before she runs for re-election

City and airport officials have made it a goal to land a direct flight from Phoenix to a major city in Asia during the next few years, but they are asking the business community for help.

“Gaining more international flights is about more than ease of travel,” said Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego. “They are an indicator of economic growth and opportunity in a community.”

Gallego, who took office in March 2019, has made it a goal to get a direct flight from Phoenix to Asia, specifically Tokyo, by the end of her first term.

Right now, the destination most likely for a direct flight is Tokyo. That is because American Airlines (Nasdaq: AAL), the largest carrier at Sky Harbor, has a code sharing, revenue sharing and route planning agreement with Japan Airlines Co., said Phoenix’s Assistant Aviation Director Deborah Ostreicher.

“Phoenix has a respectable number of passengers coming and going from Tokyo,” Gallego said. “Our job as a community is to prove to the airlines that we can support new international air service – that it’s worth their investment.”

Phoenix is by far the biggest city in the Western U.S. without a direct flight to Asia. While some in the Valley see this as a snub, the truth is airlines don’t view Phoenix as an economically viable option.

Last year, a vice president of Korean Air told the Business Journal a nonstop daily flight between Asia and the Southwest would cost an airline between $80 million and $100 million to operate annually. So airlines want to make sure enough people will be buying seats for these flights.

What's more, while Phoenix has one of the largest populations in the Western U.S., it has one of the smallest median household incomes. Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Denver, Portland and Salt Lake City all have a higher median household income than Phoenix.

Many of those cities also are home to the headquarters of Fortune 500 companies as well, which is something airlines look at closely, Ostreicher said during a Phoenix meeting Jan. 13. Full-fair business- and first-class passengers are the “bread and butter” for international flights, Ostreicher said. To make these flights profitable, she said the front half of the plane has to be full.

Another issue hurting Phoenix is that it doesn’t appear too many people are going from Phoenix to Tokyo every day. According to data from Sky Harbor, an average of 53 people travel from Phoenix to Tokyo every day. By comparison, Los Angeles has 1,022 daily Tokyo passengers, Las Vegas has 215, and Dallas has 76. Right now it is easier for American to funnel Phoenix’s 53 passengers to L.A. or Dallas rather than setting up a flight here

One argument Ostreicher said she makes to airlines on a regular basis is to funnel passengers to Phoenix for these international fights, but so far the airlines seem to stick with Dallas, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

There is a good chance more people than the airport knows are traveling from Phoenix to Tokyo or other parts of Asia every day, but Ostreicher said the problem is they don’t purchase their tickets at the same time. For example, they’ll buy round-trip flights from Phoenix to Los Angeles or San Francisco and then another round-trip flight to Japan. As far as Phoenix aviation officials can tell, the travelers were just in California for a week, not in Tokyo.

During the Global Chamber event, Ostreicher asked businesses to let her know if that's how they are booking flights. Having more data helps plead Phoenix's case to airlines, she said.

Ostreicher also said the business community could put up money to help attract flights. The airport has agreed to put up money to advertise and market international flights to Sky Harbor and so have a number of the state and Valley tourism organizations.

Sky Harbor currently pays more than $2 million a year to market international flights. The tourism business community, which includes the Arizona Office of Tourism and the local visitor and convention bureaus, pays $500,000 a year. But Ostreicher said the business community, including chambers of commerce and economic development groups such as the Arizona Commerce Authority and Greater Phoenix Economic Council, pay nothing. </p>

Even though many business owners might not believe having more international flights at Sky Harbor will impact them, Ostreicher said international flights already have a $3.4 billion economic impact on the Valley every year.

“It’s not just one thing,” Ostreicher said.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2020, 12:06 AM
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I did my part I went to Tokyo last year what are you guys doing! And also they should be trying to get an international flight to India, there are far more Indian people here than any other Asian country.
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2020, 6:02 PM
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Hi all,

Air Canada will be moving to T3N concourse on Feb 6, 2020.

Alaska Air will move to T3N concourse on Feb 5, 2020.

United Airlines will move to T3N concourse on Feb 4, 2020.


PS. There is open house on Feb 4, 2020 for terminal 2 at 4pm to 8:30pm.
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I know this thread is generally reserved for the larger airports, but this is interesting.

https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ne...a23cfee14.html
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2020, 10:10 PM
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I know this thread is generally reserved for the larger airports, but this is interesting.

https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ne...a23cfee14.html
The original intent was more for Sky Harbor and Mesa Gateway but weve posted stuff about smaller airports like Goodyear, Dear Valley, Prescott and Flag.
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2020, 10:22 PM
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I had no idea Falcon Field was such a busy facility for general aviation. I think it's fine to talk about any airports in the Phoenix Metro Area here.
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I know this thread is generally reserved for the larger airports, but this is interesting.

https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ne...a23cfee14.html
IIRC this is all part of some funds ADOT received from the feds for airport improvements. Prescott Airport is (or was supposed to by now) working on its new 8 gate terminal for commercial services. They have one of the longest runways up there - mainly so they can accommodate all the US Forest Service fire tankers. But also Korean Airlines is taking advantage and using it for pilot training in conjunction with Embry Riddle University.
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Skybridge News:

Seems interesting that the Mesa Gateway expansions have not really moved at the pace they had planned for a new terminal was supposed to be built on the north end and nothing has happened there but instead they are now focusing on sort of an Air Cargo business model



https://azbigmedia.com/business/how-...iness-sectors/

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rik Lee, executive director for North American Research Partnership, summarizes the impact very succinctly. “SkyBridge is the most consequential Mexico-Arizona business project in this part of Arizona,” Lee states emphatically.

SkyBridge marks the nation’s first inland air cargo hub to house a joint United States-Mexico customs facility. The recent groundbreaking of SkyBridge, housed in Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport, marks an opportunity for 17,000 projected long-term jobs to enter the region — both directly and indirectly. But job creation is just one snippet born of a much larger “SkyBridge vision.”

“Mexico continues to be our No. 1 trading partner by far,” explains Chris Camacho, president and CEO of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council (GPEC). “In the last three to four years, we’ve really enhanced our relationship with the State of Sonora and other states.”

Those wondering just how valuable the Mexico-Arizona partnership is can simply look at the statistics regarding e-commerce. According to Marco A. López Jr., president and CEO of Intermestic Partners and founding partner of SkyBridge Arizona, e-commerce in the Latin American market is a $359 million industry — and growing.

Opportunity knocks at SkyBridge
“Opportunity is tremendous when you think about the fact that we are currently at less than one-half of the market penetration into Mexico and Latin America,” López says. “The question has been, ‘How can we facilitate it?’ That’s where we come to the SkyBridge opportunity. This is an Arizona story centered at the Gateway-Mesa Phoenix airport.”

According to López, 75 percent of goods bought online from Latin American countries are being purchased from e-commerce websites in the U.S. This makes SkyBridge perfectly positioned as an international clearance hub for goods bought in the U.S.

“It offers e-commerce to Mexican consumers in big-box retailers,” Lee says. “It seems to me that it’s a golden opportunity to connect high tech, automotive and aerospace industries in Mexico. It’s both highly profitable and time-sensitive.”

SkyBridge Arizona is a 360-acre, long-term development at Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport that will allow U.S. Customs and Border Protection and Mexican Customs officers to work side by side to jointly inspect and process shipments in preparation for international transit.

“SkyBridge is a great asset to add to what we have at Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport,” says Ryan Smith, director, communications and government relations, Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport Authority. “We view Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport not as much as an airport, but as a large redevelopment project that just happens to have an airport. So when you look at a project like SkyBridge, with lots of acreage and direct access to three 10,000-foot runways, the possibilities are limitless as to what you can produce there and what can locate at SkyBridge.”

According to Gov. Doug Ducey’s office, SkyBridge is a $230 million commercial development that will have 2 million square feet of warehouse space, 1 million square feet of office space, 800,000 square feet of air cargo operations, 900,000 square feet of light industrial and flex space, and 100,000 square feet of retail and restaurants. It is also expected to increase cargo flights out of Phoenix-Mesa Gateway to 2,000 per year, a number that will skyrocket to 10,000 by 2036.

Time is of the essence
Camacho agrees with Lee that when it comes to maximizing SkyBridge opportunities, time is of the essence.

“SkyBridge got out the gate quickly with Mexican and U.S. customs,” Camacho says. “What I hear every day is the clock ticking because every day there are other states that are running vigorously to pursue similar opportunities. They also see the Latin American market as a tremendous e-commerce platform.”

Why will other regions rush to formulate their own versions of SkyBridge — or try to anyway? There are several motivating factors.

First, SkyBridge enables a streamlined duty process essential to fostering a healthy and productive e-commerce environment.

“The duty for goods is paid here in Arizona and transmitted to each country’s tax collection office,” López says, “which means no more abandoned goods that taxes aren’t collected on.”

This results in a win-win for the consumer who buys the product; the tax authority
who collects the duty; the logistics chain that can expand its operation into Latin America; and the company that operates only in the U.S.today, but wants to expand south of the border.

“Arizona then becomes the leader in logistics,” López says. “We have the Arizona State University Polytechnic Campus across from SkyBridge. We know that e-commerce will not only continue to grow in Latin America, but also locally and globally.”

It’s also an opportunity to grow other business sectors.

“This is an inland port that brings the conversation to tech businesses in Arizona,” Lee adds. “It was going to take someone like Marco (López ) bringing his meaningful relationships with Mexico to make this work. It’s a real project for Arizona politicians and local officials and focus on — touch, feel and think about — and anchor their interest in Mexico and border relationships.”

Better delivery
The other logistic advantage SkyBridge offers is in expedited delivery of goods. With Mexican customs officials on site at Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport, the customs approval process can happen before the plane departs from the U.S. to Mexico, allowing cargo to be delivered to its destination the very same day, according to CBRE Senior Vice President Jackie Orcutt.

“In the past, there’s been a bottleneck for delivery of product to Mexico via air cargo and it could take up to 14 days for cargo product to make it through customs once it had landed in Mexico,” Orcutt says. “This process allows it to happen essentially the same day.”

In addition, companies operating out of SkyBridge benefit by saving three to four months of tax benefits since taxes are not required to be paid until a company has a buyer. Goods can be trucked to Mesa, stored in a warehouse, add value by being assembled onsite, and all the while, still be classified as a foreign product until it goes to the buyer.

“For Arizona, this means our state becomes the place where companies come that want to interact with Mexico,” López says. “There’s no stop in terms of opportunity potential. The long-term potential of SkyBridge is that in terms of national logistics leadership, no other city in America has this type of infrastructure ready to go.”
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2020, 10:10 AM
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Air canada in terminal 3

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Hi all,

Air Canada will be moving to T3N concourse on Feb 6, 2020.

Alaska Air will move to T3N concourse on Feb 5, 2020.

United Airlines will move to T3N concourse on Feb 4, 2020.


PS. There is open house on Feb 4, 2020 for terminal 2 at 4pm to 8:30pm.
So what happens with customs etc with Air Canada? Will terminal 3 have it's own customs section? That seems strange after all the money they have spent on terminal 4 infrastructure.
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