Supertall rumours and speculation thread

[DrNest]

Originally Posted by Dylan Leblanc

Or heck, rip down that stupid Citygroup Place building at the foot of University and put up something scary tall!

Agreed. That building would be fine if it were triple it's height. I like the silver - aluminium cladding. And it would be a prime location for a supertall.

[taal]

Could be but the projected height was in the 40-50 story range. No supper tall, boy do I hat that term ...

Likely a little taller then BA West.


Also, the height increase is just a rumor, only the renderings on the page were updated. There's no news of a tenant regarding this project either.

[losername]

And isn't EAP in Calgary LEED platinum certified?

[osmo]

Originally Posted by haljackey

Either this is awesome news or someone is trolling us hardcore.

No Troll here. When I was droped this goody I did not no how much to expose... I thought maybe some people on here could fill in the gaps or we could play a game of hot or cold . But yes a building will be taken down to facilitate this. The parts I was murky on and didn't ask for clarification was if it was going to be BAC 2 or the New construct that would be the LEED Platinum. I was unsure of this so I thought maybe somebody on here maybe had a leg up on info and could fill in that grey spot.

But my source said the plan is to go big, they have plans to eclipse FCP. The sub levels are all ready prepped and ready to go. The Park + Parking complex will be ripped up and the tower started quite quickly once things are set in stone. I assume they are trying to go for a BCE 2.0 with a presence on Yonge.

No Troll here.. just giving you guys the news I was told. From the pieces I was told I assumed the Supertall wouldn't be LEED Platinum I brought up the aspect of cost to my source on this and they said that tenants want LEED, and I also I thought it was ballsy to try and build a LEED Supertall, and brought up how I wasn't a big fan of BAC 1 and its design (My issue was if its possible to build a quality LEED Platinum Tower in Toronto?). but good points were brought up about its extremely low environmental footprint and I guess it has been a good cash cow for the firm so if that what the market is asking for (LEED Platinum) I guess they will follow that lead.

So from my long winded responce these things are firm:

- Two Towers will be proposed in the near future in that vicinity
- One of the Towers will be a Supertall
- One of the Towers will be LEED Platinum
- Both will have high LEED certification
- Some type of demolishment will be done to the adjacent 2-stories... how far this streteches to Yonge I am unclear but in the convo my source express a desire to have a noticble presense on Yonge Street.

And I guess they hate Trump as well and wan't to try and block it out as much as they can out since Trump did not honor is setback agreement and blocks some of BAC Towers views.

[DrNest]

Originally Posted by osmo

And I guess they hate Trump as well and wan't to try and block it out as much as they can out since Trump did not honor is setback agreement and blocks some of BAC Towers views.

Anybody that wants to build tall to block Trump is good in my books. This is great news. Am looking forward to seeing the proposals.

[Innsertnamehere]

so its a new BAC tower? finally getting details!

[Ramako]

Originally Posted by osmo

So from my long winded responce these things are firm:

- Two Towers will be proposed in the near future in that vicinity
- One of the Towers will be a Supertall
- One of the Towers will be LEED Platinum
- Both will have high LEED certification
- Some type of demolishment will be done to the adjacent 2-stories... how far this streteches to Yonge I am unclear but in the convo my source express a desire to have a noticble presense on Yonge Street.

And I guess they hate Trump as well and wan't to try and block it out as much as they can out since Trump did not honor is setback agreement and blocks some of BAC Towers views.

Thanks for the scoop! Interesting stuff.

Are the two towers going to be part of the same complex?

[Innsertnamehere]

what a 330m BAC1 style tower would look like at (what I gathered from osmo's post) the proposed location;

[osmo]

Originally Posted by Ramako

Thanks for the scoop! Interesting stuff.

Are the two towers going to be part of the same complex?

That was the one thing I am not sure about. I am trying to re-call exactly what I was told. It would not make any sense for them to attempt to take over adjacent properties Eastward if this was not the case, and it was mentioned that the attempt is to have properties on that whole block stretching from Bay-to-Yonge. So me putting two together that was the conclusion I came too.

When looking at the area on Google Maps you notice an interesting notice from dated pictures.



BPO Properties Ontario is under the Brookfield banner, my guess from is that they have already acquired and carved up the lots ?

[taal]

That's interesting.

So basically the site just to the west of that sign is BA2 !

[Innsertnamehere]

thats jsut the splitting of the BCE lands to allow for the 3 different towers.

[yyzer]

osmo, was this a recent conversation?

[Ramako]

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2...file-38680.pdf

[osmo]

The conversation occurred 2 weeks ago. It was over drinks mind you so that's the reason why it took me a while to piece together what I was told . But from re-visiting this topic again... looking at the site and piecing little piece together it makes more sense now. Cadillac Fariview when it opened the RBC Center + Ritz took a lot of shine off of BAC, its interesting to see rivalries at work because it means we get way better towers!

I think they re-deemed themselves with the makeover of FCP but there is ambition to do more. The site is already prepped it would just mean cracking the ground and going up which I assume brings down costs quite considerably.

The status of the tower was either they we're fishing for a designer or we're mulling different proposals (again the beers got to me). I mentioned The Bow, Calgary and BoA Tower, NYC as quality Toronto should be striving for and my source acknowledged that if the firm is going to make this a signature piece of the portfolio so I assume they will attempt to blow the roof of the skyline (and their competition).

Looking at their recent development proposals they are pushing the Environmental card... and ... well a lot of glass in design patterns, here is one example:

This is Manhattan West; 2015, Midtown, Height: 370.6m




Could this the NYC version of BAC 1 and 2?

[taal]

When you say the site is already prepped that's where you stump me, then you must be referring to BA2 and nothing else, if they were going to all the way to Yonge that would require demolition, clearly something quite expensiveness.

[Andrewjm3D]

Would they not have to tear out the underground parking lot first before they build on the site.

[Ramako]

Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Would they not have to tear out the underground parking lot first before they build on the site.

That would probably be much easier than digging a fresh hole.

[Andrewjm3D]

I doubt it, that concrete was poured the same time as the stump. Concrete strengthens over time so just like the stump they will need to use chemicals and brute strength to break it apart.

[Innsertnamehere]

Does it take less time to demo a 6 floor building then to dig a 6 floor hole? Of course.

[Andrewjm3D]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Does it take less time to demo a 6 floor building then to dig a 6 floor hole? Of course.

We're not talking about bricks and mortar. It's reinforced concrete that was built as the foundation for the original BA plaza. It's going to take more time and effort to remove the parking levels much like it did for the stump. Will they close off the entire parking lot during construction and rebuild? Or do it section by section leavings some parking open for use. This will be a complicated dig, thinking it will be easier then starting a fresh hole would be a mistake.