HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Skyscraper & Highrise Construction


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #41  
Old Posted Dec 14, 2018, 9:51 PM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is offline
NYC/NJ/Miami-Dade
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 45,696
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYguy View Post
I'm so sick of these whiny politicians. They want to have say over everything both ways - as of right or not as of right. And if the legal as of right development doesn't suit them (in other words, if their "power" is diminished), they want to change the rules.

.
If they were openly advocating for more units, I could see it being a plus. Not downsizing, but up sizing.

If they want more affordable units, they need to change the zoning to allow for it.

The market is there... given the housing crisis... the need, and so on.

But it seems we rarely hear them push for larger projects. Even under current rules, if you change the total number of total units to be build, with a mix of market/affordable, the affordable unit count will increase.

I don't think the politicians are really for the people, because if they were, they'd be pushing for more larger projects, and transit. The two ying-yangs of any city.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #42  
Old Posted Dec 15, 2018, 1:13 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
We'll see what happens.


Some GoogleEarth images, and proximity to other sites...


























__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #43  
Old Posted Dec 15, 2018, 3:09 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
Haven't had a chance to digest all of these documents, but here is some of the basic info, and basic massing....

3 versions

- residential, office, school 942 ft

- residential, office 928 ft or 864 ft

- residential 821 ft


https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning...scope-work.pdf






































































__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.

Last edited by NYguy; Dec 15, 2018 at 3:25 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #44  
Old Posted Dec 15, 2018, 4:56 AM
Crawford Crawford is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Brooklyn, NYC/Polanco, DF
Posts: 30,551
There's also that giant assemblage two blocks north on Fulton, as well as those two 70's-era lowrise office blocks, one of which is currently for sale as residential development site.

The Fulton corridor is gonna be one of the most impressive in NYC in a couple of years. There could easily be a half-dozen 800 ft.+ towers.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #45  
Old Posted Dec 15, 2018, 2:27 PM
dc_denizen's Avatar
dc_denizen dc_denizen is offline
Selfie-stick vendor
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New York Suburbs
Posts: 10,999
OT, but I wonder if they will ever take down the ugly radio tower at brooklyn tech
__________________
Joined the bus on the 33rd seat
By the doo-doo room with the reek replete
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #46  
Old Posted Dec 15, 2018, 5:05 PM
Zapatan's Avatar
Zapatan Zapatan is offline
DENNAB
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NA - Europe
Posts: 6,043
Well that's awesome
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #47  
Old Posted Dec 15, 2018, 6:33 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
This is a project very much like 80 Flatbush, but it still needs the School Construction Authority approval for the school, which shouldn't be a problem. New York always needs more schools. And this tower will be so bulky that it needs every bit of extra height it can get. But you just know the NIMBYs will declare this armageddon. I can't wait to see how they try to trash this proposal. It will be entertaining.



https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-quality-vjwACwDxB0hZ6



The worst case scenario would be no approvals, and that 800 footer with all of the open space. No one wants that.


942 ft




928 ft




864 ft




821 ft


__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #48  
Old Posted Dec 17, 2018, 6:03 PM
peteybrooklyn1959 peteybrooklyn1959 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 26
What will the nimby's do now ????

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYguy View Post
This is a project very much like 80 Flatbush, but it still needs the School Construction Authority approval for the school, which shouldn't be a problem. New York always needs more schools. And this tower will be so bulky that it needs every bit of extra height it can get. But you just know the NIMBYs will declare this armageddon. I can't wait to see how they try to trash this proposal. It will be entertaining.



https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-quality-vjwACwDxB0hZ6



The worst case scenario would be no approvals, and that 800 footer with all of the open space. No one wants that.


942 ft

http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...appVQTN.d8.JPG


928 ft

http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...34wSck.d13.JPG


864 ft

http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...a5RnCV.d14.JPG


821 ft


http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...mZl9PH.d12.JPG
NYguy.....My question in 2 parts about this development is this.
Does 625 Fulton Street fall within the Zoning Guidelines that
considers it technically "DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN" that will allow the
building to rise to it's potential of 941 feet and is the property "As-
Of-Right" ? I assume if the answers are yes to those questions, than
the NIMBY's have no ground to stand on other than to vote it down
at their respective Community Board Meeting and howl at the moon
which will bare no weight. Therefore the City Planning Commission
and "Full" City Council eventually renders it's final decision should it
reach that stage is the only thing that matters. But you know how
organized NIMBY's in NYC react and take action...They will attempt
to examine every available loophole and persuade the resident City
Councilman that represents that area similar to what happened at
80 Flatbush.....NYguy....WHAT'S YOUR INITIAL TAKE AND ANALYSIS
ON THIS ????

Last edited by NYguy; Dec 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #49  
Old Posted Dec 17, 2018, 6:04 PM
peteybrooklyn1959 peteybrooklyn1959 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 26
NYguy.....My question in 2 parts about this development is this.
Does 625 Fulton Street fall within the Zoning Guidelines that
considers it technically "DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN" that will allow the
building to rise to it's potential of 941 feet and is the property "As-
Of-Right" ? I assume if the answers are yes to those questions, than
the NIMBY's have no ground to stand on other than to vote it down
at their respective Community Board Meeting and howl at the moon
which will bare no weight. Therefore the City Planning Commission
and "Full" City Council eventually renders it's final decision should it
reach that stage is the only thing that matters. But you know how
organized NIMBY's in NYC react and take action...They will attempt
to examine every available loophole and persuade the resident City
Councilman that represents that area similar to what happened at
80 Flatbush.....NYguy....WHAT'S YOUR INITIAL TAKE AND ANALYSIS
ON THIS ????
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #50  
Old Posted Dec 17, 2018, 6:15 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
Quote:
Originally Posted by peteybrooklyn1959 View Post
NYguy.....My question in 2 parts about this development is this.
Does 625 Fulton Street fall within the Zoning Guidelines that
considers it technically "DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN" that will allow the
building to rise to it's potential of 941 feet and is the property "As-
Of-Right" ?
It falls within the rezoning of 2004, but still needs a further rezoning to increase the FAR on the site. Also, the inclusion of the school would include a bonus FAR of 1.


Quote:
Local City Council member Laurie Cumbo told Politico she planned to push for a project of this scale to include a significant affordable component.

“You can’t allow a project of that magnitude and scale to be discussed without affordability being at the forefront of the table,” she said.
“I’m looking for both residential and commercial [affordability].”

According to the draft, the developers do plan to include up to 25% affordable units, although they are required to do so. Perhaps the local council member will push for a lock on a set number
of units, or try to increase it a little more. That seems to be her initial concern. We know where the city stands on the proposal, based on the draft.










































































__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #51  
Old Posted Dec 18, 2018, 2:08 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
I wonder if the old team will design the new tower. This was just a couple of years ago...


https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/marke...o-liberis/7282

First Renderings of Rabsky Group's Soaring Brooklyn Office Tower Designed by Albo Liberis

By CityRealty Staff
December 9, 2016



















__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #52  
Old Posted Dec 18, 2018, 2:24 AM
sbarn sbarn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYguy View Post
I wonder if the old team will design the new tower. This was just a couple of years ago...
The diagrams indicate that SOM is the architect.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #53  
Old Posted Dec 18, 2018, 2:33 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbarn View Post
The diagrams indicate that SOM is the architect.
Ok, I missed that, and you are correct. Hopefully when the DEIS is released, we will see some actual renderings.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #54  
Old Posted Jan 25, 2019, 2:34 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
A little more info...you can see this project has both indoor and outdoor public spaces...























__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #55  
Old Posted Jan 25, 2019, 3:06 AM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is offline
NYC/NJ/Miami-Dade
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 45,696
Exciting stuff. The regulatory/bureaucratic timeline as usual is too long. I just hope the economy continues at its strength. I know NY tends to weather economic declines nicely or won't be impacted AS much in regards to housing/office impact, but the talk of the coming recession, makes me a bit nervous when I see a time line of 2020/2021 before steel or concrete is on the ground. Surely hope in the future this isn't downsized.

If all goes well, this and 80 Flashbush. 9 Dekalb being the well deserved trophy tower for DoBro.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #56  
Old Posted Jan 25, 2019, 4:56 PM
Zerton's Avatar
Zerton Zerton is offline
Ω
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,551
I love it. It's like a new take on the Secretariat Building.
__________________
If all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed, if all records told the same tale, then the lie passed into history and became truth. -Orwell
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #57  
Old Posted Jan 26, 2019, 2:03 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerton View Post
I love it. It's like a new take on the Secretariat Building.
Which version?
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #58  
Old Posted Jan 28, 2019, 5:36 PM
Zerton's Avatar
Zerton Zerton is offline
Ω
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,551
__________________
If all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed, if all records told the same tale, then the lie passed into history and became truth. -Orwell
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #59  
Old Posted Jan 28, 2019, 7:11 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,747
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerton View Post
I was talking about which proposal. But that's not the current proposal.





Some opinion from the Municipal Arts Society

https://www.mas.org/news/proposed-de...-and-benefits/

Proposed Development for 625 Fulton Street is a Mixed Bag of Costs and Benefits


JANUARY 17, 2019


Quote:
The Municipal Art Society of New York (MAS) recognizes the proposed development at 625 Fulton Street offers much needed commercial office space and new school seats in Downtown Brooklyn. However, we have major concerns about the massive scale of the development (up to 21 FAR), the paltry amount of proposed open space, and the potential impacts on area community facilities.

...We find the proposed development to be at best, a mixed bag of costs and benefits.
Quote:
One of our primary concerns is that the project does little to address the glaring need for open space in this area. In fact, the proposed project would actually reduce the amount of publicly accessible open space by almost one-half of an acre. We find this unacceptable.

MAS has other concerns about the project and requests the following items be included in the Final Scope of Work (FSOW) and evaluated in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS).
Quote:
Directly across Fulton Street from the proposed project, 570 Fulton Street Property LLC is seeking a variety of zoning actions to facilitate the development of a 40-story, mixed-use residential and commercial office building. Expected to be completed by 2021, this development would offer no new open space to the area. The RWCDS must include this development and evaluate all other No-Build projects under consideration in the 625 Fulton No-Build Development scenario.
Quote:
According to the U.S. Census, the median household income within approximately a quarter-mile of the Project Area is over $100,000 per year. Within Community District 2 it is about $87,000.1 These figures have increased significantly faster than borough and citywide rates over the past decade. To reduce the potential for indirect residential displacement of low income residents in the area and ensure continued affordability for residents at lower income bands, MAS strongly urges a deeper level of affordability than the 80 percent Area Median Income stated in the DSOW be identified and evaluated in the DEIS.
Quote:
he proposed public elementary school is subject to New York City School Construction Authority (SCA) approval and will be included in the environmental review of the proposed development. We expect the DEIS evaluation of Community Facilities and Services will include details of the SCA site selection process, the evaluation criteria for all school sites considered, information on why other school sites were not selected, and a summary of the Mayor and City Council site plan review process.
Quote:
The project has the potential to result in significant shadow impacts on open space and historic resources. According to preliminary modeling conducted by MAS, project-related shadows would cover substantial portions of Fort Greene Park and University Place during March and September evaluation periods. Shadows will also be cast on individual landmarks during the same period, including the First Free Congregational Church, Dime Savings Bank, Offerman Building, and the Fort Green Historic District. Because of these potential adverse impacts, the DEIS must identify specific mitigation measures that eliminate or reduce shadows.
Quote:
According to the DSOW, the development would generate more than 50 additional vehicular trips in the weekday AM, midday, and PM peak hours, necessitating a travel demand forecast. However, of the 15 intersections identified for further analysis, none are located north of the Project Area. MAS requests a broader traffic analysis that extends at least 0.25-miles from the Development Site boundary, or a detailed explanation and the assumptions as to why intersections to the north were not identified for further analysis.
Quote:
MAS believes the project’s commercial development and proposed elementary school address a glaring need in Downtown Brooklyn. However, the project also needs to address the area’s lack of open space, public child-care facilities, and affordable housing. A project of this magnitude should also implement LEED™ or equivalent design practices for reducing energy and water consumption, and apply appropriate mitigation strategies to address adverse impacts on child care facilities and shadows. We look forward to our comments being addressed in the DEIS.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #60  
Old Posted Mar 8, 2019, 4:47 AM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is offline
NYC/NJ/Miami-Dade
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 45,696
Rabksy gets six-month extension on $100M in loans for towering Brooklyn project

Quote:
Rabsky Group has gotten an extension on $100 million in past-due loans for a Downtown Brooklyn development site it hopes to build a 942-foot-tall tower.

The developer signed a deal to extend two loans — for 625 and 635 Fulton Street, which it owns with Joel Gluck’s Spencer Equity — until July, Commercial Observer reported. Documents for the deal were filed on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange.

Total financing for the project is $120 million. It combines an $80 million senior mortgage from Bank Leumi USA on 625 Fulton Street, a $20 million senior mortgage on 635 Fulton Street from BofI Federal Bank (now Axos Bank), and a $20 million mezzanine loan from the State Bank of Texas. All three were due in January this year.

Bank Leumi originated the loan in 2016, which was extended to mid-July with the option to further extend until January 2020. The mezzanine loan, with has an 11 percent interest rate, was also extended until mid-July. The second senior loan hasn’t yet been extended.

Rabsky and Spencer paid $158 million for the 75,000-square-foot site in 2016. It has 600,000 buildable square feet. The lot at 625 Fulton Street is vacant — and 635 Fulton Street contains a three-story building, which as of 2017, had three tenants with leases expiring in 2018 and 2019, the report said.
============
TRD
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Skyscraper & Highrise Construction
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 6:00 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.