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Although 15 Penn Plaza is an excellent addition to the NYC skyline (in accordance to competition with the rest of the world--in terms of best skyline) wouldn't this skyscraper have a negative impact on office space demand in Downtown, therefore compromising the "full" development of the World Trade Center construction site. Towers 2 and 3 are projected to be slumps if not enough tenants become interested to stake some portion of office space.
After viewing the NY1 in the previous post, shouldn't Bloomberg and City Council take this into consideration. Just wondering...
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Although 15 Penn Plaza is an excellent addition to the NYC skyline (in accordance to competition with the rest of the world--in terms of best skyline) wouldn't this skyscraper have a negative impact on office space demand in Downtown, therefore compromising the "full" development of the World Trade Center construction site. Towers 2 and 3 are projected to be slumps if not enough tenants become interested to stake some portion of office space.
After viewing the NY1 in the previous post, shouldn't Bloomberg and City Council take this into consideration. Just wondering...
There's more demand for large ammounts of floor space than the WTC site can offer.
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Although 15 Penn Plaza is an excellent addition to the NYC skyline (in accordance to competition with the rest of the world--in terms of best skyline) wouldn't this skyscraper have a negative impact on office space demand in Downtown, therefore compromising the "full" development of the World Trade Center construction site.
In short - No.


We can now put this to rest....

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City council approves plans for new tower near Empire State Building

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The full City Council has approved plans to build a new skyscraper that will stand taller than the Empire State Building -- currently the highest tower in New York City.

The project, which gained council approval around 2:30 p.m. today [Aug. 25], is expected to create 7,000 jobs and will include $150 million in transportation infrastructure improvements.

Earlier today, both the Zoning and Franchising subcommittee and Land Use committee had already voted in favor of allowing construction of the 15 Penn Plaza project.

The Empire State Building's owner opposes the project. Anthony Malkin says the proposed 1,200-foot glass office tower will ruin the view from the renowned landmark and negatively alter the skyline.
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I rarely do this ( ), but it’s certainly warranted in this case. This is great news!
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There will be a few changes in design probably, but here's looking back on some of the renderings and models we've been seeing...
































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Great News.
So when can we expect the demolition of Hotel Pennsylvania to begin?
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NEW YORK -- The Empire State Building's owner has lost his bid to stop a new skyscraper from rising in the neighborhood.


The New York City Council Wednesday approved zoning and land use changes that pave the way for a new 67-story tower two blocks west of the 102-story Empire State landmark.

The Empire State Building's owner had tried to convince lawmakers to reject the project. Anthony Malkin says the proposed 1,190-foot glass office tower will ruin the view and forever alter the skyline.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg and council members who backed the plan dismissed those complaints and said the city should welcome new investments.

The development is still in the planning stages. No date for construction has been set.
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No date for construction has been set?

Anyone have any idea regarding a timeframe?

BTW, I find the argument that it shouldn't be built because it would obscure the ESB's view silly - by that logic, the ESB would never have been built!
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Great News.
So when can we expect the demolition of Hotel Pennsylvania to begin?
Not before many complaining posts from preservationists, my friend
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I'm not crazy about the design.. it's OK. Actually it's not too bad. But the only way in which it will compare to ESB is in height. Otherwise it's a welcomed addition to the skyline. Yes, it will detract from the ESB, but it's 80 years later and you can't stop progress from progressing.


And "CoolCzech", please lose the politics.
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Empire State Building to get new, tall, neighbor

Panel clears way for development challenged by iconic structure's owner

By SARA KUGLER FRAZIER

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NEW YORK — The Empire State Building's owner lost his bid to stop a new skyscraper from rising in the neighborhood when the New York City Council approved zoning and land use changes Wednesday that pave the way for the 1,190-foot tower.

The project, called 15 Penn Plaza, is still in the planning stages. Developer Vornado Realty Trust has not set a date for its construction and has yet to sign a major commercial tenant.

But the plans alone for a glass office tower, which would stand higher than the Empire State Building's 86-floor observatory, infuriated the landmark's owner, Anthony Malkin, so much that he called it an "assault on New York City and its iconography."

Council members voted overwhelmingly in favor of the project. They said New York City and its world-famous skyline cannot afford to be frozen in time and must embrace new investments.

"We can't make decisions based on one building," said Councilman Mark Weprin. "The city has to grow, and it's going to continue to grow."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg also backed the project this week, dismissing Malkin's argument as delusional.

"Anybody that builds a building in New York City changes its skyline — we don't have to run around to every other owner and apologize," he said. "One guy owns a building, he'd like to have it be the only tall building — I'm sorry, that's not the real world."

Plans envision a 67-story, 1,190-foot-tall office tower two blocks west of the Empire State Building, which stands 102 stories and 1,454 feet but has an 86th-floor observation deck about 1,050 feet above ground.

Malkin had lobbied the council to cut the tower by one-third the proposed height.

He said in a statement after the vote that the owners believed the new building's height and design encroached on the most iconic image in New York's skyline. But he conceded that the City Council had the final say.


"They have gone out of their way to listen to our position," he said. "In the end ... it was up to them to decide."

A spokesman for the developer released a statement thanking those connected with the approval of the project, which the company believes "will be an outstanding addition to New York's iconic skyline."

The Empire State Building was the city's tallest when it was completed in November 1930. Today, more than 3.8 million people visit its observatories each year.

On a clear day, the view stretches 80 miles, as far as Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.

Vornado needed the council's action to rezone the area to accommodate a more dense development than local ordinances allow. The developer also needed the city's approval for transit improvements that Vornado has promised to finance.

David Greenbaum, president of Vornado Realty Trust's New York chapter, told lawmakers during a hearing Monday that those include wider rail platforms at nearby Pennsylvania Station, better access to subway stations and the reopening of an underground passage connecting nearby subway lines and commuter trains to New Jersey.

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Old Posted Aug 26, 2010, 1:44 AM
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Any chance of a re-design? This thing's ugliness is only magnified by its proximity to the Empire State Building. If you're going to build something tall here, at least have some creativity on a design that looks like it took longer than 10 minutes to conceive. I really don't think people would have been against this project if it wasn't so damn ugly.
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http://www.observer.com/2010/real-es...proved-council

City Council Approves Anthony Malkin's Nightmare

By Eliot Brown
August 25, 2010

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The full City Council has approved a 1,200-foot office tower planned by Vornado Realty Trust to rise atop the Hotel Pennsylvania, two blocks from the Empire State Building.

The vote came this afternoon, less than two weeks after Empire State Building owner Anthony Malkin launched a public push to block the skyscraper, warning it would detract from his tower's iconic place amongst the skyline.

The Council, apparently, was unmoved by his criticism. In committee votes today, the bulk of the concerns centered around Vornado's commitments to hiring minority- and women-owned businesses, a top issue for many on the Council.

Much of their ire arose after David Greenbaum, Vornado's New York office chief, responded to a question by a Council member on the topic by telling an anecdote meant to illustrate that there are many women who work at Vornado: "I had a party at my house Saturday night, and there were certainly a distinctly large number of women," he said Monday at a committee hearing. His wife, he said, "saw the number of women there, and she couldn't figure out if they were the spouse or they were the employees—so, many of them were the employees."

This appearance of ignorance on the importance of the topic infuriated multiple Council members, and Vornado had to come back with a hiring pledge meant to soothe tempers over the issue.

The lone "no" vote in the 47-1 vote came from Councilman Charles Barron, who echoed the concerns of others on the minority hiring issues, although many of his colleagues ended up voting for the plan. (Two abstained in the committee vote.)

In all, Vornado essentially got what it wanted without having to give up much in return, a rare feat in the development world, particularly given that Vornado was asking for a major upzoning to allow a 2.8 million-square-foot building.

In a statement, a spokesman for Vornado said the building would be an "outstanding addition to New York's iconic skyline," thanking the Council for the vote.


After the vote, Mr. Malkin issued a statement that seemed to acknowledge he was going to accept the Council's vote without any further action (often opponents launch lawsuits).

"The City Council is the decision maker on this subject," he said in a statement. "They have gone out of their way to listen to our position. In the end, they are the elected representatives of the City of New York, and it was up to them to decide."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/ny.../26empire.html
For the King of the Skyline, a Tall and Unwelcome New Neighbor


A boy looking out at the Empire State Building from the observation deck at Rockefeller Center

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
August 25, 2010


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New York City approved plans on Wednesday for a new skyscraper near Penn Station that will rise to within 34 feet in height of the nearby Empire State Building, inserting a glassy challenger almost next door to what has been a defining element of the city’s skyline.

The 47-to-1 City Council vote came after a fierce weeklong public relations and lobbying campaign by the owners of the Empire State Building to stop the rival tower, contending that its bulky profile would scar the skyline and diminish the Empire State Building’s iconic status. They went so far as to propose a one-third-mile zone around the Empire State Building, at 34th Street and Fifth Avenue, where developers would not be allowed to erect a comparable skyscraper.

But the Council gave those arguments scant attention on Wednesday as it approved the planned tower, known as 15 Penn Plaza, on Seventh Avenue, opposite Madison Square Garden and Pennsylvania Station. Some Council members found the prospect of a new building and the developer’s agreement to spend more than $100 million on improvements to subway entrances and tunnels at Penn Station far more compelling, especially during a citywide slowdown in construction.

Christine C. Quinn, the Council speaker, said the project was about jobs and signaled that “New York City is moving forward and moving out of this recession.”

“This project and this zoning vote today are going to help make sure New York City has a new and important 21st-century office tower in Midtown Manhattan,” she said.

The project also had the backing of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, whose administration has long favored high-density development near major transit points like Penn Station, the busiest commuter hub in North America, with more than 450,000 passengers passing through its portals daily.


In part because of the proximity to transit, the developer of 15 Penn Plaza, the Vornado Realty Trust, earned zoning bonuses that will let it construct a building 56 percent larger than what would ordinarily be allowed.

“People don’t come to New York to visit caves,” said Mitchell L. Moss, a New York University urban policy professor and an informal adviser to the mayor. “They want the views, the height, the experience of tall buildings. Skyscrapers allow us to make the best use of a limited amount of land.”

Bud Perrone, a spokesman for Vornado, said the company was pleased with the outcome and believed its 68-story, 1,216-foot-tall building would be “an outstanding addition to New York’s iconic skyline.”

Anthony E. Malkin, an owner of the Empire State Building, said he favored development in the surrounding area but felt that the proposed tower should be shrunk so as not to obscure the view of his building, which has stood alone since it opened 79 years ago. “We thought that 15 Penn Plaza was too close to the 1,250-foot-tall Empire State Building for its height and design,” Mr. Malkin said.

The Empire State Building, which reaches 1,454 feet when its lightning rod is included, was the tallest in the world for more than 30 years and remained the tallest in the city until construction of the first World Trade Center. After Sept. 11, 2001, it regained that status, but will fall back to second place behind the new 1 World Trade Center, which will top out at 1,776 feet.

Beyond bragging rights and skyline positioning, the new tower will be an unmissable presence for sightseers looking toward the west from the Empire State Building’s famous 86th-floor observation deck.

Despite the vote Wednesday, construction of the new tower is unlikely to start for at least several years. Vornado has said it will not go forward with the $3 billion tower without a major corporate tenant. The project also requires demolishing another landmark of sorts that currently occupies the site: the Hotel Pennsylvania. The fraying 25-story hotel, built in 1919, still has the phone number memorialized in a 1940 hit song by Glenn Miller, PEnnsylvania 6-5000.

...Some Council members expressed misgivings about the size and the challenge to the Empire State Building; the lone dissenter, the Brooklyn Council member Charles Barron, believed that the developer’s commitment to hire at least 15 percent female or minority contractors was too small.

Councilwoman Gale A. Brewer of Manhattan, citing concerns that the new building would obstruct views, said, “I am persuaded that views are important and history is important, but this is a building worth supporting.”

The Council also gave customary deference to the member whose district includes the property. That is the speaker, Ms. Quinn, who has received at least $15,000 in campaign donations in recent years from Vornado and its employees, as well as roughly $3,500 from the Malkins. “It wasn’t a particularly significant amount,” Ms. Quinn said about the Vornado donations at a news conference. “It has no impact whatsoever.”

At least one Council member, Peter F. Vallone Jr. of Queens, seemed to take a small joy in voting for 15 Penn Plaza. He criticized the Empire State Building for refusing to turn on blue and white lights on Thursday night in honor of what would have been Mother Teresa’s 100th birthday, and said he would think of the Vornado building as “Mother Teresa Tower.”

“I’m going to be voting on this matter solely on the merits,” he said. “I just happen to be particularly happy that the merits are not on the side of the Empire State Building.”
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Council Speaker Christine Quinn said at a news conference that studies had determined there would be no significant impact on the views of the Empire State Building, and that the city skyline shouldn't be frozen in time. "We want there to be new Rockefeller Centers and new Chrysler Buildings," Ms. Quinn said. "We want there to be buildings that challenge the rest of the skyline in its greatness."
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City Council speaker Christine Quinn, who feuded with owner Anthony Malkin over his refusal to light the Empire State for Mother Teresa's 100th birthday, said the vote was a no-brainer.

"We're New York City," she said. "We are not Monument Valley. We are not a place that will ever be frozen in one moment in time."
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The articles list the tower shorter than 1,216 feet. A slight decrease in height by the council?
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The articles list the tower shorter than 1,216 feet. A slight decrease in height by the council?
There are two versions of the tower currently proposed, one is 1,190 ft and the other is 1,216 ft. The final height will depend on what kind of tents are interested in the space.

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There are two versions of the tower currently proposed, one is 1,190 ft and the other is 1,216 ft. The final height will depend on what kind of tents are interested in the space.

though the single tenant will be 1216 and the multi tenant will be 1255 there was never this 1190 ft. design.
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Thank God!!! For a minute there I thought all hell was going to freeze over! My fading hope in NYC's reputation has been somewhat restored!!! I'm UBER excited now!!!

It would be cool if this had a restaurant on one of the highest floors to compliment the Empire State Building's observatory. It would have a awesome view of not only the Empire State Building, but of both Downtown AND Midtown.
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though the single tenant will be 1216 and the multi tenant will be 1255 there was never this 1190 ft. design.
Well there's chart right in front of you...what does it say?
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