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Hey, Earl, these are great! I haven't watched Them! (1954) lately, but I think it shows some of Los Angeles,
including the LA River at the end of the movie when the army moves into attack the mutant ants.
Glad you liked them. Yes, the final battle in Them! takes place in the LA storm sewer system. The opening scene of that movie, with the catatonic little girl trudging across the desert, remains for me one of the most emotional in all of science fiction filmdom.

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Here are a few shots of the Oviatt Building I took on June 17, 2013:













This location and its ornamentation reminds me of Rex Il Ristorante and its owner, the late Mauro Vicente.


http://vincentiristorante.com/images/maurovincenti.png




The Cicada Restuarant that replaced the Il Rex.
http://images2.laweekly.com/imager/c...10094071.0.jpg



1937 - Oviatt Clock Tower
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00097/00097550.jpg



Undated Oviatt
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068353.jpg





Or is the above image from 1931, per source? Notice Clifton's paint looks fresh over former "Boos Brothers" signage.
http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.com/i...01931%20RS.jpg



BOOS BROS
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4...rwasboosbr.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...postcount=5560




648 S Broadway, VJ Day (evening) 1945
http://a.scpr.org/i/7035921e53194448...11705-full.jpg





1934 - Boos Bros at 325 S Broadway (not above Clifton's address)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00008/00008594.jpg


1934 - Boos Bros interior, 325 S Broadway
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics36/00037577.jpg



1926 - Broadway looking north from 7th St. Boos Bros signage
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013794.jpg








Some may find interesting this compilation of LA Restaurants used in Movies and TV >> http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/fa...-shows-5344532

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Thanks for adding your personal pictures of the Oviatt Building, FW. Those triangular panels around the entrance are beautiful up close.


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This rather striking brutalist structure is the Northridge Medical Arts Building at 9535 Reseda Boulevard. It's Julius Shulman's "Job 4209: Dion Neutra and Paffard Keatinge-Clay, Northridge Medical Arts Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1967".

















There's one color shot of the exterior.



And one of the interior.



All from Getty Research Institute

I'm not sure what happened to the Northridge Medical Arts Building! I thought it might have been damaged in the Northridge earthquake, especially when I saw an LA Times article headed Cal State Northridge Razes Neutra Building. Upon reading the article, I discovered that it referred to a different building designed by Dion's father, Richard Neutra. I'm guessing that the Medical Arts Building survived the earthquake, because an LA Times article called Brute of a Building describes the brutalist architecture, and makes no mention of damage, despite being published just a few months after the quake.

The overall massing of the current building is the same, and the sloping section on the roof is still visible, but the look is very different. To me, it now looks like those faux-Italianate apartments that have been rightly derided here and elsewhere (I won't give any more publicity to their creator).


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This location and its ornamentation reminds me of Rex Il Ristorante and its owner, the late Mauro Vicente.


http://vincentiristorante.com/images/maurovincenti.png



I did not know Mauro Vincenti or Rex, but Vincenti Ristorante in Brentwood is my favorite restaurant in LA and Maureen is one of my favorite people.
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Thanks for adding your personal pictures of the Oviatt Building, FW. Those triangular panels around the entrance are beautiful up close.


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I'm not sure what happened to the Northridge Medical Arts Building! I thought it might have been damaged in the Northridge earthquake, especially when I saw an LA Times article headed Cal State Northridge Razes Neutra Building. Upon reading the article, I discovered that it referred to a different building designed by Dion's father, Richard Neutra. I'm guessing that the Medical Arts Building survived the earthquake, because an LA Times article called Brute of a Building describes the brutalist architecture, and makes no mention of damage, despite being published just a few months after the quake.

The overall massing of the current building is the same, and the sloping section on the roof is still visible, but the look is very different. To me, it now looks like those faux-Italianate apartments that have been rightly derided here and elsewhere (I won't give any more publicity to their creator).




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Apparently the current building is actually the same old building but it was radically remodeled into it's current form.
It went from European Brutalism to California Neo Italian-Spanish...whatever.

Reference article about the remodel: http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-...-arts-building
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Praeger Park

I kept seeing references to "Praeger Park". The latest was in a 1924 LAT article describing the course of Los Reyes:

"...crossed Sixth over the Solomon Dance Hall site, cut diagonally across Praeger Park and out into the flats."

(Solomon's Dance Hall, S Grand and 9th, scene of church services, weddings, riots and, of course, dancing, probably deserves a post of its own)

I had no idea where Praeger Park was.

There have been many posts on Washington Park/Chutes Park. Running south, on 35 acres, from Washington to 21st, approximately between Main and Grand. Here's just three:
JScott: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=739
e_r: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=741
HossC: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=19077

Harris Newmark remembers Washington Park in his book, "Sixty Years in Southern California",

"D. V. Waldron bought about thirty-five acres on the southwest corner of Main and Washington streets, soon known as the Washington Gardens, later Chute's Park. These Gardens, among the most popular pleasure resorts here, were served by the Main Street cars which ran direct to the gate. In addition to a Sunday afternoon variety show that held forth in a small pavilion and secured most of its talent from Wood's Opera House, there was also dancing for those who wished to indulge. I may add that this so-called opera house was nothing more than a typical Western song and dance resort, the gallery being cut up into boxes where the actresses, between the acts, mingled with the crowd. Patrons indulged in drinking and smoking; and the bar in front did a thriving business. An insignificant collection of animals—one of which, an escaping monkey, once badly bit Waldron—attracted not only the children, but their elders as well; and charmingly-arranged walks, amid trees and bowers, afforded innocent and healthful means of recreation. Waldron later went to Alaska, where a tragic death closed his career: alone and in want, he was found, in May, 1911, dead in his hut."

Outside the city limits (like Agricultural Park), Washington Gardens was developed by David V Waldron, starting in ca 1877, on the grounds of the former 1873 Sulphur Springs Hotel. The Park wasn't known for its respectability, but it was known for fun. On one 4th of July 12,000 people danced until midnight under Chinese lanterns. There were 60 musicians, a "Vienna Buffet" and fireworks. The trolleys ran till 1 am.

But the Gardens went downhill. The majority of the land was for sale by 1895.

New ownership in 1899 brought new infrastructure. The old pleasure grounds were developed into 12-acre Chutes Park starting in 1900. By 1901 a baseball park with stadium filled the rest of the site. The two attractions ran concurrently until Chutes Amusement Park (briefly renamed "Luna Park" ) closed ca 1912. Although at least one organization tried to get it going again, all trace of Chutes Park was gone by 1914, replaced by David Horsley's Bostock's Jungle/Horsley Park Zoo and movie studio for making "animal pictures".

Looking SE from the baseball stadium towards Chutes Amusement Park:

ebay/previously posted by HossC

When the jungle/zoo/studio closed in 1919 and the stadium moved to Wrigley Field in 1925 (Avalon/41st St/42nd Pl/ San Pedro, south of Santa Barbara/MLK Blvd), a remnant of Washington Park became the "vacant lot" across from the International Mart/Mode O'Day building, which we've seen so many times, with its giant Christmas Tree, Aimee Semple McPherson's parade and, of course, the Auto Show which went up in flames.

This article's got some errors, but it left a trail of breadcrumbs:


"Billboard" December 31, 1949

The article above seems to be conflating Praeger Park with Washington/Chutes Park. The parks were different entities, with different uses.

Praeger Park, owned by Charles and Mary Praeger, actually ran north of Washington almost to 18th St, also approximately between Grand and Main. It didn't have any infrastructure.

1884. Waldron had opened Washington Gardens in ca 1877:

steven'ssurveyoflosangeles

Baist, 1910, plate No. 10. Hill St had been pushed south by 1910, cutting Praeger Park in two:

historicmapworks (detail)

Charles Praeger died in 1911. Widow Mary sued the executors of Charles' will and won, retaining ownership of Praeger Park.

Nora, David and Fred McCartney owned "McCartney's Washington Gardens", south of Washington. It was David's death that tripped the 1949 sale of Washington Park. Note that the stadium has been enlarged. (Despite it being labeled "McCartney's Washington Gardens" on the 1921 Baist, apparently no permanent attraction existed there after Horsley's facility closed in 1919, or ever again.)

Baist, 1921, plate No. 10:

historicmapworks(detail)
BTW, By 1894, Austrian immigrant Christian Ganahl, already in business for 10 years, opened a lumberyard near the NW corner of the park. That company later moved to Orange County and remains in business today, the oldest lumber business in California.

2015:

gsv

In 1904 Roy Knabenshue was filmed circling the parks in his Japanese-silk airship. Knabenshue made exhibition flights in many cities that year:

farther/faster/higher

Film strip of Knabenshue's 1904 LA flight:

googlebook pg 38


In 1918, desperate for a new city hall, and willing to spend up to $3MM for the building and land, at least one City Councilman had his eye on the land at Praeger Park and Washington Park for the new Civic Center. (I would have liked that as it might have saved the Baker Block and, more importantly, the Bella Union.)


Praeger Park may not have had any infrastructure, but that made it ideal for temporary events. All but forgotten now, back in the day it was so famous, it really didn't need an address. At Praeger Park there were revival meetings, sporting events, charity carnivals, industry carnivals, carnivals with boxing, carnivals with beauty contests and auto shows, even used auto shows:

cdnc LA Herald 12 April 1920

In 1911 President William Howard Taft spoke at Praeger Park, after reviewing a parade of presumably "respectable" (and respectful) LA children at Washington Park:

cdnc LA Herald 11 October 1911<-- rest of article at link

But what was most memorable about Praeger Park was the circuses.

(In later decades, this function too was taken over by the remnant of Washington Park as Praeger Park had been platted for building lots. The International Mart/Mode O'Day building (by Raymond Kennedy) went up in 1928):
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In the middle forties I remember the circus coming to the large vacant area across the street...Barnum & Bailey and one other, can't recall the name...
The large main tent and the "sideshow" leading to it...wonderful memories.
Here's some Praeger Park circuses from the teens and early 20s:



cdnc LA Herald 10 April 1915
a bit murky, that one, but I liked the graphics

Sells-Floto bought out Buffalo Bill in 1921.

Buffalo Bill Cody was very proud of "his" Lakota:

cdnc LA Herald 12 April 1915 <-- rest of article at link


cdnc LA Herald 16 Sept 1919


cdnc LA Herald 9 April 1921



cdnc LA Herald 15 March 1917

Barnes got in a certain amount of Mann Act trouble in LA:

cndc LA Herald 20 March 1920 <--rest of article at link

...which maybe led to perjury: "Allege Perjury in Al Barnes Slave Case" screamed the LA Herald headline, but "Show Girl Denies Improper Relations with Al G. Barnes" and etc. LOL, folks love to tut-tut at show people. Doesn't stop 'em going to the shows though.


cdnc LA Herald 27 September 1919


cdnc LA Herald 21 September 1916






cdnc LA Herald 30 April 1918

"Circus girls are like laughing bubbles of mirthfulness" What more could anyone ask for?

And what about that "long planned" 1952 exhibition hall, between 3rd and 5th, with Fremont on the west, mentioned near the end of the article?
I can't quite imagine it in that neighborhood (it was also to be, at one time, the LA Opera House) It must have segued into the Convention Center (not known for circuses).

Looking west from Main. The giant LA Furniture Mart Building, now known as The Reef is on part of Washington Park today, corner of Washington and Hill, facing the International Mart/Mode O'Day Building on its remnant of Praeger Park:

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This location and its ornamentation reminds me of Rex Il Ristorante and its owner, the late Mauro Vicente.


[1937 - Oviatt Clock Tower
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00097/00097550.jpg


Working in LA c. 1997 I walked over to the Oviatt Building early one morning and asked the elevator operater if I could see James Oviatt’s penthouse apartment. He took me up via one of the elevators seen in Flyingwedge's lovely pictures and said I could roam around as long as I wanted. If I’d had a source of food, I’d probably still be there. The private elevator opened directly into the apartment.

This little rotunda leads from the apartment out onto the roof, seen in the 1937 photo Tourmaline posted.

(this was more like 1997 not 1987)

This was a little nook/sitting room off the elevator entrance


Living room


Another view of the living room from the dining room


The spectacular bathroom. The walls were like carved leather or looked like it.


Built in chest of drawers in the dressing room


The bedroom




The neo-Noir Mullholland Falls has a scene filmed here using the bath and bedroom. Bedrrom screen grab from here: http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/M...ls/index_2.htm

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That living room painting is Tamara de Lempicka's "Self-portrait in a Green Bugatti." I don't suppose it's the original?
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That living room painting is Tamara de Lempicka's "Self-portrait in a Green Bugatti." I don't suppose it's the original?
It looked like just a nice reproduction.
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That living room painting is Tamara de Lempicka's "Self-portrait in a Green Bugatti." I don't suppose it's the original?

Copies of the iconic work were once prominently displayed at the Sunset Tower Hotel and possibly the Queen Mary. I believe the original is owned by De Lempicka's daughter.

It probably bears repeating that at the outset of WWII, De Lempicka took up residence in Beverly Hills. I vaguely recall that she stayed at a home once belonging to King Vidor. Exactly where she spent her time remains to be seen; although it is quite possible for her to have visited many of the locations mentioned in NLA, including the Sunset Tower Apts., Bullocks Wilshire, The Beverly Wilshire, The Oviatt and maybe even Barney's Beanery.


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tovanger2, your exceptional post on Praeger Park & Washington Gardens Park reminded me of this illustration I recently came across
while looking for additional information on the Pearl Street woolen mills.


History of Los Angeles County, published 1880.



below: I did a double take when I noticed that buggy traveling on a pathway directly behind the shooting range. (not a good idea)

detail from above



Dave Waldron opened Washington Gardens Park in 1887, yet this illustration was published in 1880.
Does that mean there was already a Washington Gardens?




Here's the link to The History of Los Angeles County, 1880:
https://archive.org/details/historyoflosange00wils

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also from The History of Los Angeles County, 1880.


Here's another interesting park....City Garden.

enlarged detail


-note the impressive City Garden Pavilion, constructed in 1877. -each arched entryway says City Garden.





https://archive.org/details/historyoflosange00wils

City Garden of Eberle Bros., San Pedro & Kohler Sts., Los Angeles Cal.




I'm pretty jazzed that this place had an outdoor bowling alley!


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Dave Waldron opened Washington Gardens Park in 1887, yet this illustration was published in 1880.
Does that mean there was already a Washington Gardens before?
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That's a very good question. I suspect my source was mistaken, 1877 would make sense. I notice now that the source says the Washington Gardens Pavilion burned down, also in 1887. But the Gardens had been opened some time at that point.

Sorry. I hate like anything passing on bum information.

Thank you for catching that. I'll correct my post.

P.S.
I found an 1883 published notice from the city informing Waldron that Main St was to be widened. It was after that that Waldron added a 41-bird ostrich exhibit at Washington Gardens

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City Garden of Eberle Bros., San Pedro & Kohler Sts., Los Angeles Cal.
Where was City Gardens?

I can only find Kohler St running n/s from E 6th to Olympic, parallel with San Pedro these days:

google maps

This ad doesn't bother to give the address.
I guess everyone knew where it was:

cdnc Los Angeles Herald 23 June 1878

Is "ten-pin rolling" bowling?:

cdnc Los Angeles Herald 18 June 1878

Oh wait, hang about, this says 8th and San Pedro:

"City Gardens, San Pedro Street and Kohler Street (now Eighth Street), Los Angeles (Calif.)
Amusement parks. Circa 1880s"


(uscdl says circa 1896)


seaver center

"F. X. Eberle and wife, Marsetes, came here in 1874, bought six or seven acres on the corner of San Pedro and the present Eighth streets, and fitted up the City Gardens, with bowling alleys, swings, lawns and bowers, erecting there also a picturesque windmill."

-sixty years in southern california, harris newmark


Glover, 1877. And sure enough, there it is:

loc (detail)

(There's a Richard D King building at that address now. It went up in 1923 for the United States Rubber Company. King also did Villa Riviera in Long Beach. Info here, here and here)

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Working in LA c. 1997 I walked over to the Oviatt Building early one morning and asked the elevator operater if I could see James Oviatt’s penthouse apartment. He took me up via one of the elevators seen in Flyingwedge's lovely pictures and said I could roam around as long as I wanted. If I’d had a source of food, I’d probably still be there. The private elevator opened directly into the apartment.
Thanks for posting NoirCD....most different.!!

This penthouse could only be described as ....can we say, decadent.









Can be rented for weddings, parties, etc.

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Simpson Building

Description: Diamond Shirt Co., OlvIera Street Trading Post
Photo Date: late 1940's



Description: Soochow Restaurant, main facade, at the corner of Main Street and Sunset Boulevard
Photo Date: early 1950's


Description: Soochow Restaurant and Diamond Shirt Co. on Sunset Boulevard
Photo Date: August 21, 1958


Description: Simpson building, south wall, at Sunset Boulevard
Photographer: Rothschild Photo
Photo Date: December 20, 1958


Renovations
All Wrong Captions at LAPL




Description: Simpson building, post renovation
Photographer: Rothschild Photo
Photo Date: May 1959


All images courtesy of LAPL El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument Photo Archive
(Bolding mine)

I'm curious as to why you say the LAPL captions are all wrong. Whether or not it was strictly correct, and based on all I have seen in the last few days, it does seem that many people considered Marchessault to be an eastward extension of Sunset. When looking at the area on HistoricAerials.com, it's surprising how wide and busy Marchessault or East Sunset appears to have been, while it was still open to cars. When you see the Marchessault signs in the Plaza today, you tend to think it was never more than a narrow little byway since the Park people want to emphasize only the Plaza's early bucolic character rather than the way it was in the 1940s and 50s.

Remember also that prior to the Plaza being entirely closed off, driving east on Sunset would take you directly past the Plaza Church on your right, then across Main and straight on into Marchessault. I think the Plaza must have been closed off to cars in the early 1960s, at which time Sunset was rerouted north to the other end of Olvera Street. Today if you walk out of the northern end of Olvera, you end up on the south side of Cesar Chavez, or of course Sunset as it used to be called.

ETA: I absolutely don't mean to challenge or "get at" anybody here; I simply want to know if there's some other issue with their captions that I need to be aware of. Certainly I've noticed some minor inaccuracies with the captions, as well.
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also from The History of Los Angeles County, 1880.

Here's another interesting park....City Garden.

enlarged detail


-note the impressive City Garden Pavilion, constructed in 1877. -each arched entryway says City Garden.

City Garden of Eberle Bros., San Pedro & Kohler Sts., Los Angeles Cal.
It was at what is now the NE corner of San Pedro and E. 8th St.

The 1884 Stevenson Map of Los Angeles shows San Pedro Street with the dashed line. The unnamed street
that crosses San Pedro near the very top center of the map is 7th St. The Eberle property is at the NE corner
of San Pedro and Kohler (note the Kohler property to the east):

Calisphere -- http://imgzoom.cdlib.org/Fullscreen....z1&&brand=oac4

North is on the right. The little house with the long porches, the water tank with shed behind, the bowling alley
and the dancing pavilion (the building on the fold in the map) are all there, almost exactly like the 1880 drawing:

1888 Sanborn @ LAPL
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Thanks for locating City Gardens tovanger2 and Flyingwedge.

I had never heard of the place until I happened across that 1880 illustration.
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Seeing as there's only one picture in this Julius Shulman photoset, I'm including a second below. The first is "Job 1760: Continental Escrow (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1954". As the sign says, the building was at 4661 Sunset Boulevard.


Getty Research Institute

Looking at Historic Aerials, I can see the building on the 1954 image, but it seems to be gone by 1964. Today, that corner is the location of the Vermont/Sunset Metro Station.


GSV

Now a mystery. This branch of S H Kress & Co was obviously at 3951, but what street? This is Julius Shulman's "Job 414: Kress (Los Angeles, Calif.),1949".



I've had no luck finding LB Dry Goods either. I wish we could see more of the sign on the left.



Both from Getty Research Institute
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That's a very good question. I suspect my source was mistaken, 1877 would make sense.

Sorry. I hate like anything passing on bum information.
Thank you for catching that. I'll correct my post.
Not to worry t2.
One of my sources also said it opened in 1887. https://sites.google.com/site/losang...palaces/chutes
That's why I asked the question.
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