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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 11:53 PM
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from yesterday.
Wow! I study there sometimes - thats going to be quite different once its done.
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^^^That looks to be a month old.
Looks pretty up to date to me, unless they have made immense progress in the last two weeks.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2015, 6:09 AM
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^^^they have. I see it everyday and they have already moved the crane to east of 1st and will jump the street soon.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2015, 6:27 AM
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Slowly getting closer to First Street

[IMG]IMG_4747 by viewguysf, on Flickr[/IMG]

At the back of 535 Mission

[IMG]IMG_4732 by viewguysf, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_4749 by viewguysf, on Flickr[/IMG]

Bonus shot of the cool artwork lit (since the 535 Mission thread was closed months ago)

[IMG]IMG_4750 by viewguysf, on Flickr[/IMG]
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3/15/15 Making significant progress.

The ramps from 280 to the TTC (for the buses) are underway (see below).

Also, the structure has made it to First St over the past week.

http://transbaycenter.org/constructi...mission-camera

It will be interesting to see how they jump their first street.

Also, yesterday, they made a HUGE pour from Fremont St going towards Main. Looks to be the last of the pours for the train box.


IMG_7830 by simms3sf, on Flickr


IMG_7831 by simms3sf, on Flickr


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Nightly Closure of First Street (Between Mission and Howard Streets):
Structural steel assembly night work adjacent to and over First Street continues nightly Monday through Saturday nights between 8:00 PM and 6:00 AM the next day. First Street through
traffic will be disrupted between Mission and Howard Streets each night in order to safely assemble steel. Due to construction crane positioning, public safety and SFMTA/MUNI
require temporary traffic lane closures. Steel assembly over First Street is scheduled to complete by late-April 2015.

More here http://www.transbaycenter.org/upload...03.20.2015.pdf
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Interesting how they are building this. They seem to be doing a whole section from below-ground up, then presumably will move to the next section (rather than doing the whole first level, then the second, etc).

Not much has visibly changed form the outside from the previous pictures, but they are right at First St. and from Fimiak's post and observation it looks like they will next do the section just across First, then bridge over First St. I didn't get a shot, but you can see the anchor for the large pipe-like supports on the east side of First. They are just behind FS1 in this shot from 181 Fremont:



I also got a shot of the new ramp supports that Simms posted above, but from the other side looking toward the terminal:



Should see some of the falsework going up between these pillars before long.
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Pretty interesting how fast this thing started moving along.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2015, 8:42 PM
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Still growing to the east. It's starting to peek out to the left of 100 First on the Salesforce Tower cam.
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This isn't a view we see much - getting things ready for the bus ramp into the station

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Old Posted Jul 18, 2015, 2:01 AM
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Cool shot, david. A lot going on above and below ground on that end of the project.
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Anyone know what progress there is on funding the tunnel to the terminal?

Otherwise, it's just going to be a rather expensive bus station.
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Anyone know what progress there is on funding the tunnel to the terminal?

Otherwise, it's just going to be a rather expensive bus station.
Last I heard, not a dime has been raised for the tunnel. In fact they've borrowed from what they don't have for the tunnel to pay for the bus station.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2015, 8:40 PM
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In an ideal world this thing would have BART, MUNI Metro, Amtrak, CalTrain, and HSR. What a loss.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2015, 9:47 PM
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In an ideal world this thing would have BART, MUNI Metro, Amtrak, CalTrain, and HSR. What a loss.
It seems amazing too me just how half assed their plan is. That's nothing new for the US, but this one is especially bad. They're talking 15 years until it has CalTrain running there. What's the point of building a multi-modal transit center when the connected mode isn't going to arrive for decades?
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2015, 10:36 PM
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Yea the whole thing is a bit pathetic. I mean when all is said and done, it will have costed close to $6 Bn and taken 15+ years and won't even connect all the modes or accommodate them. And it will include some serious value-engineered design, like going from glass facade to cheaper looking aluminum.

Meanwhile, Denver rebuilt Union Station area which accommodated more transit growth, connected all modes, was really really executed marvelously, and has spurred a similar "Transbay Development boom" scaled for Denver. Took a few years and $500M.

I know there are some key differences, but the gap between what we are accomplishing in SF for the cost, and what Denver accomplished for its cost is just too insanely huge to stomach. We seriously can't do anything right in this city, but somehow it all does work out in the end.


On the transit front, the other catastrophe of planning and cost is the Central Subway. Just a disaster.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2015, 10:59 PM
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Add to the list of transit failures a collapsing and crumbling Bay Bridge, only a few years old, and one of the most expensive bridges in the world. And HSR was approved by voters in 2008. Now in 2015 they are just starting to lay track, after billions have already been spent. California politicians are pigs at the trough. We need to take our state back. But this lackadaisical attitude of "oh well, what can you do, live and let live" attitude is why they are getting away with it. Maybe splitting California up is actually a wise decision? I've been milling voting yes on the 6 state solution.
It's sad that this has happened to what used to be such a great city and state. Now it's one of the most corrupt places in the world. The worlds most expensive bus terminal. Or a $6 billion park.
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While I agree that concrete progress seems delayed, I think it’s for a worthwhile reason. Remember, the underground rail tunnel to Transbay is part of a much larger piece of infrastructure that is still being refined. The 280 approach would have to be torn down anyway because the columns don’t allow a wide enough tunnel for adequate throughput. The City is taking a big picture, long term approach and evaluating whether it should be turned into a surface boulevard or rebuilt as an aerial structure. While this puts all of the design work on hold, it’s really forward thinking in that all of the land opened up by the freeway and potentially part of the rail yard could be used to procure a DBFM agreement for the entire build out. I’m happy to wait a bit more if it means a fully funded DTX, potential tail tracks that increase capacity, and tremendous opportunities for residential and commercial development that will bring a new wave of building and stitch part of Mission Bay, Showplace Square and SoMa together.

http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/20...esentation.pdf

http://www.greencaltrain.com/2015/06...oned-til-fall/
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Jesus, it's like grumpy old man time in the Transbay thread.

Why will the new Transbay Transit Center open without train service? Because the old Transbay Terminal had to be torn down and replaced immediately, before it completely collapsed in an earthquake. Leaving it standing was far too great a liability. Now, if the replacement could only accommodate buses, in 15 years or so the usual grumps would stridently denounce our planners as shortsighted and incompetent, this time for failing anticipate the need for a CAHSR and/or Caltrain terminal downtown. Fortunately for us, the transit center will accommodate trains when the separate train projects are completed on their own, separate schedules.

And Transbay is costing more than anything in Denver because it is being built on landfill within a Seismic Zone 4. Denver is in a Seismic Zone 1, and Union Station isn't in danger of massive liquifaction like the Transbay district is.

The Central Subway faces similar seismic issues, as well as the necessity of a very deep bore in order to pass under three levels of subway (mezzanine, Muni, BART) at Market Street. Deep bores and seismic systems are expensive.

Finally, the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge is neither crumbling nor collapsing. The bolt corrosion issue has been portrayed by a clueless and scandal-obsessed media as some sort of existential threat to the bridge's integrity, but it is nothing of the sort. The bridge shall withstand the most powerful likely tremor. The bolts in question are part of one system among several redundant systems, with the overall strategy to create crumple zones not unlike a car's bumpers. The only question raised by possibly corroded bolts is how long it will likely take to reopen the bridge after a major earthquake.
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^No mention of the outrageous cost of HSR, or that tracks have just started to be laid 7 years after approved by voters. How many HRS lines in China, Japan, Germany, and France have been built and completed in this time?

And no mention of the Bay Bridge cost to be the most expensive in the world, and actually only half a bridge at 2 miles long and took 11 years to build (again, only half the original span) at $6.5 billion, it is by far the most expensive bridge in the world (second most expensive is $4.4 billion, 4 miles long). Compared to the original Bay Bridge, the entire bridge 8 miles long, took less than 4 years to build, and cost $77 million ($1.3 billion today). For that price, I don't want corroded pieces that will take tens or hundreds of millions more to replace. Would you buy a new Lexus that had rusted engine valves? After all, the car will still run..

And then there's this: SF has the worst roads in the country, with 74% of the roads rated as "poor." It also has the highest taxes and highest gas prices (and thus gas taxes) in the country. Shouldn't all this generosity on the benefit of the taxpayers give them something besides a little bit better than the worst?

If you can't see something wrong with this picture, then you are part of the problem. The same people that are saying "yeah, yeah, let the future generations take care of it. They should figure out our mess. They can fix the trains and make them run and figure out all the finances and everything."

How long has the new Transbay center been in planning? Decades. With that much time on their hands and with the most outrageous costs in the world (there are other seismic zones in the world, in larger cities than SF, that can build transit stations for a fraction of the cost) I don't want to hear complaining about "it's too hard, we just can't get a train to come to the terminal!" Seriously, not even one train line will be in operation in all this time when this thing opens. And it will be a huge mess left to the younger generations to clean up after, much like everything else being left to us on this planet.

Thanks grumpy old men!

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