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[citywatch]

Originally Posted by bobcat

I don't even remember Lucas receiving much support from the SF arts community

I never even realized that, but after looking at this, you may be correct...

In a "Dear George Lucas" full-page advertisement that ran in Thursday's San Francisco Chronicle, leading business and political leaders asked George Lucas to keep his proposed Lucas Cultural Arts Museum in San Francisco, even after the Presidio Trust slammed the door on a site there for his $1 billion art collection.

"We care about arts education for our young people and believe the (museum) belongs in San Francisco," said the ad, sponsored by sf.citi, a San Francisco lobbying coalition led by angel investment guru Ron Conway.

Star Wars creator George Lucas wants his $1 billion art collection to be housed somewhere. San Francisco and Chicago are duking it out for a chance at the arts extravaganza.

Signers included heavyweights like Marc and Lynne Benioff, U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Mayor Ed Lee, former Mayor Willie Brown, Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, Oracle's Safra Catz, Conway, Square's Jack Dorsey, Joe Montana and wife Jennifer Montana, MC Hammer and other luminaries.

^ politicians, investors, a singer & football star were listed, but no one from any portion of the city's arts scene?

the cultural scene up north is so cutesy wutsy & the amt of precious snobbery there....& a cloying amt of provincialism....may be so high....that combining that with nimbyism that is even greater there than in LA.....results in....





I keep such things in mind when certain anti LA trolls....one in particular who apparently started using an alias after being permanently red penned at ssp....try to flame bait this thread by making LA sound so much worse...& its residents as such sad sacks....than certain other places that meet with his seal of approval.

[ChargerCarl]

That LA is only marginally less NIMBY than SF isn't saying much.

Heck I'm not even sure it's true.

[112597jorge]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

But muh light and air! Who would possibly want to walk down a shaded street in LA?

90% of everyone for half the year, walking under hot sun for a while isn't very fun for people.

Also Els are great options for mass transit, we need whatever we can get and if building els means more efficient and cheaper rail than in all for it.

If you were being sarcastic then sorry for not catching it it's a little hard through posts to catch sarcasm.

[Valyrian Steel]

An El is not something I've given much thought to, but I have to imagine it's the kind of project that would get a ton of opposition in LA.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by 112597jorge

90% of everyone for half the year, walking under hot sun for a while isn't very fun for people.

Also Els are great options for mass transit, we need whatever we can get and if building els means more efficient and cheaper rail than in all for it.

If you were being sarcastic then sorry for not catching it it's a little hard through posts to catch sarcasm.

[JDRCRASH]

If they run down the middle of superwide streets like Vermont where their noise can get drown out by the existing automobile traffic, I really don't see the problem with them.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

I kind of like Palmer's tacky aesthetic. In a way it's very LA.

I love the smell of backhanded compliments in the morning.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

That LA is only marginally less NIMBY than SF isn't saying much.

Heck I'm not even sure it's true.

San Francisco has 6,400 housing units currently under construction: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/tag/housing-pipeline

DTLA alone far exceeds that.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives

San Francisco has 6,400 housing units currently under construction: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/tag/housing-pipeline

DTLA alone far exceeds that.

Yes but what % of existing housing stock is that?

[King Kill 'em]

We need to convert the blue and expo lines in between 12th st, USC and Long Beach blvd. to Els. That way highrise development could easily take place down there.

[ChargerCarl]

I'd like to see an El on Venice. God knows it's wide enough, NIMBY's wouldn't be able to complain about it blocking light.\

Also Vermont.

[King Kill 'em]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

I'd like to see an El on Venice. God knows it's wide enough, NIMBY's wouldn't be able to complain about it blocking light.\

Also Vermont.

On twitter I mentioned a Vermont subway should be below grade until after Exposition and then exit and become elevated all the way to San Pedro.

[NSMP]

Elevated light rail is extremely quiet. I don't think the Expo line has caused a commotion in Culver.

[QuatroCerberus]

I don't understand why all the Los Angelenos, on here are complaining about getting the chargers. San Diego clearly showed that they do not want to support them, numerous times. The LA stadium has the capacity for two teams, we already knew this would happen. LA region can support the teams, plus its more for LA, arent you guys for the betterment of LA? San Diegans can still root for them, there just in different locale. TBH San Diegans didn't even like them anyway, they were a losing team that had fair weather fans. I think what it is, is that San Diegans just resent LA, but its never the other way around. People from LA never rag on San Diego or look down on it. I personally think people from San Diego have a inferiority complex about they're city, seeing how LA siphons everything, away from it.

[scania]

Originally Posted by QuatroCerberus

I don't understand why all the Los Angelenos, on here are complaining about getting the chargers. San Diego clearly showed that they do not want to support them, numerous times. The LA stadium has the capacity for two teams, we already knew this would happen. LA region can support the teams, plus its more for LA, arent you guys for the betterment of LA? San Diegans can still root for them, there just in different locale. TBH San Diegans didn't even like them anyway, they were a losing team that had fair weather fans. I think what it is, is that San Diegans just resent LA, but its never the other way around. People from LA never rag on San Diego or look down on it. I personally think people from San Diego have a inferiority complex about they're city, seeing how LA siphons everything, away from it.

Agree and disagree. I do think there are lots of people in LA that look down on San Diego...not all though by any means. TBH, there are a ton of people in LA that look down on Long Beach. As far as betterment of LA and LA region being able to support two teams, this being LA, we'll have to wait and see. I'll say this because this being football, there are so many people here who would support the Raiders if they are in Vegas. Essentially, football being a Sunday affair, It'll be easy for thousands to ride/fly to Vegas for the weekend. The Chargers will have to deal with the Raider fan base and the LA's "Legacy Rams". But, with all that being said, we are looking at more tourism possibly because fans want to visit LA when their teams come to LA. Living in DTLA and a season ticket holder for the Rams, I can assure you that when other teams visit, there's an extra buzz from people from out of town walking the streets in DTLA. I remember being at Starbucks on Flower and 9th, and there were some San Francisco fans talking about how stunned they were with all the activity in DTLA. This was something you would here all the time from different teams and their fans.

[NSMP]

LA can support two teams beyond a doubt. The question does become dubious when both those teams are in Inglewood. Put one in the Valley or keep one in the coliseum and I'm sure they would develop distinctive fan bases that would support them strongly. As it is, it seems much more likely that one team will flourish and the other will not.

[hughfb3]

You guys... None of this charger talk belongs on the downtown development page. Please stay on topic and post in the forum labeled general discussion. They aren't playing downtown nor are they building downtown. Focus my young paduan!

[scania]

Originally Posted by hughfb3

You guys... None of this charger talk belongs on the downtown development page. Please stay on topic and post in the forum labeled general discussion. They aren't playing downtown nor are they building downtown. Focus my young paduan!

If you read my post, you would understand that these teams playing in Inglewood does affect the business downtown. Financially, and even pedestrian activity. Anyone that actually lives downtown would notice the difference on the weekends the Rams were playing.

[Wally West]

Originally Posted by hughfb3

You guys... None of this charger talk belongs on the downtown development page. Please stay on topic and post in the forum labeled general discussion. They aren't playing downtown nor are they building downtown. Focus my young paduan!

It's the weekend and there's not much news to discuss. And the Chargers moving to LA does affect DTLA to a certain degree. For example, AEG may be forced to make a move in order to compete against the new Inglewood entertainment district which now seems more formidable with two NFL teams. I hope AEG just builds that damn hotel it proposed (the mini Ritz looking hotel).

[King Kill 'em]

Originally Posted by Wally West

It's the weekend and there's not much news to discuss. And the Chargers moving to LA does affect DTLA to a certain degree. For example, AEG may be forced to make a move in order to compete against the new Inglewood entertainment district which now seems more formidable with two NFL teams. I hope AEG just builds that damn hotel it proposed (the mini Ritz looking hotel).

I wish the city would stop bending over backwards for them (and Related) and build the damn convention center proposal they picked last year.