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Old Posted Oct 18, 2019, 9:51 AM
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This afternoon's mystery post is a rare original snapshot of a Van de Kamp's bakery that was located on Pasadena Ave.


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2....The building next to the bakery, on the right, appears to be a real estate office (somewhat of a guess). And it looks like an Egyptian themed storefront
has been built in front of a two story house. Does anyone have information on a "Lee" real estate office in the area?



The Van De Kamp's Bakery was at 5552 Pasadena Ave. (nowadays N. Figueroa Street).

Good guess on the real estate office - Vernon Lee at 5550.



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The Van De Kamp's Bakery was at 5552 Pasadena Ave. (nowadays N. Figueroa Street).

Good guess on the real estate office - Vernon Lee at 5550.



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Just a quick look at GSV, the building on the left in ER's photo may be a survivor. The real estate office is now a pet hospital and the Van De Kamp's location is a taco place.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2019, 4:33 AM
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The Van De Kamp's Bakery was at 5552 Pasadena Ave. (nowadays N. Figueroa Street).

Good guess on the real estate office - Vernon Lee at 5550.
Thanks Noir Noir.
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Just a quick look at GSV, the building on the left in ER's photo may be a survivor.
The real estate office is now a pet hospital and the Van De Kamp's location is a taco place.
Here's the old snapshot again.


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Bill, are these the three buildings you mentioned? ...If so, I agree. The only possible survivor is #1.


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If you look closely, there appears to be something white at the top of that tree on the left.

Let's take a closer look.









It's Chicken Boy!


DETAIL

He's standing on top of building #1.

(the 'survivor' building in the 1920s snapshot)



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Old Posted Oct 19, 2019, 7:09 AM
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Thanks Noir Noir.


Here's the old snapshot again.


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Bill, are these the three buildings you mentioned? ...If so, I agree. The only possible survivor is #1.


GSV

If you look closely, there appears to be something white at the top of that tree on the left.

Let's take a closer look.









It's Chicken Boy!


DETAIL

He's standing on top of building #1.

(the 'survivor' building in the 1920s snapshot)



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Yup, your ID of the buildings comports with mine. I thought I'd leave our friend Chicken Boy as a surprise.
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I don't think Building # 1 with Chicken Boy atop is in the 1920's snapshot. 5558 N. Figueroa has a build date of 1937.


Here's the block in 1931 with the empty lot where 5558 would go.



mil.library.ucsb.edu - c-1394_z-72



Building # 1 is to the left of Chicken Boy and comprises 5560-62-64 N. Figueroa. It was built in 1924.



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Building # 3 (Lee Real Estate) had gone by the time of the 1931 aerial - moved to Eagle Rock Blvd. in 1928.



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Can't find what happened to it but building # 2 (Van De Kamp's) also looks to be gone by then.


By 1931 they had an outlet not far along the street at 5819 Pasadena Ave. My best guess from the aerial.



mil.library.ucsb.edu - c-1394_z-72


One Mack Sennett reference book suggests 5819 Pasadena Ave. could possibly be the Van De Kamp's that appears in a 1927 comedy Smith's Candy Shop.

It first shows up at the twelve minute mark.



archive.org - Smith's Candy Shop

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Building # 3 (Lee Real Estate) had gone by the time of the 1931 aerial - moved to Eagle Rock Blvd. in 1928.


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I thought I'd check out 4682 Eagle Rock Boulevard, and found signs on the building for "Connor's Plumbing (Since 1928)", which piqued my interest. Looking at it from various angles, however, it's obviously a completely different building. The building permits show that it dates from 1939, and was built by the Coast Ice Cream Company. Pat H Connors Plumbing put up a "double face projecting sign" in 1971, which may be the one on the left on the image below (the positions match).


GSV

The view above is from 2017, which is currently the latest GSV image available. Since early 2018, the corner of the building has been Walt's Bar, complete with a retro-style pinball arcade. You can see interior and exterior images of Walt's Bar at www.timeout.com.
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Mid-century mayhem in the Noir city, courtesy of the L.A. Examiner collection....




Roslyn Hotel, 10/27/51....George Miller, 34, killed in a fight over a song playing on the jukebox....the tune in question was "The Song is Ended (But the Melody Lingers On)"...





Murder, 3/6/52, location unidentified....Mrs. Orpha Helen Zimmerman (victim)







Photo set titled "Hitch Hike to Death", 7/5/51....I could not find the story, but apparently 4 poor souls climbed into an open-air A.T. & S.F. freight car, and somewhere down the line a load of what appears to be steel piping was dumped in... 

 














Attempt suicide in bar at 1100 West 7th Street, 21 March 1952. Lying on the floor of bar, where he shot himself is victim tentatively identified as Charles Anderson... Standing over him are two Police Officers... 25 Caliber Automatic pistol in foreground of picture.





Jealous wife shoots husband...West Fifth Street, 13 October 1951. Jeffrey Allan Goodwill -- 24 years (victim) Kathleen Goodwill -- 23 years (wife)





Patricia Steele found dead at 610 Bonnie Brae Ave. (N/S not specified but I believe this is S. Bonnie Brae), 5-27-52.


















Suicide (Coliseum and La Brea), 31 July 1951. John Severson (body) victim; Dean Holt (found body).





Clemons bigamy preliminary, 30 January 1952. Mrs Alta Clemons -- 18 years (wife number 1); Mrs Beverly Ann Clemons -- 17 years (wife number 2); Kenneth E Clemons -- 21 years (defendant)





Overturned auto, 02 March 1952. General view of overturned car after truck collision at 9th Street and San Pedro Street. 





Phantom shooting...Norwalk, 30 August 1951. Mrs Nina Marie Bice -- 25 years (victim)





Attack suspects, 07 April 1952. Daniel Arzaga Briones -- 26 years; Frank F Rodriguez -- 25 years...no other details provided
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Land of Noir - flawed heroes, dark angels and dashed dreams. This is LAs story too


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“THE BIG SLEEP”: The 1946 adaptation with Humphrey Bogart as Philip Marlowe is a near perfect union of book and film. LOS ANGELES is at once a stereotype and piercingly its own, a multicultural diary of splendor and hurt, and the stuff of noir fiction.

By Jeffrey Fleishman >>>

Los Angeles is a madman’s prayer wrapped inside a murderous dream.

It’s homeless on sidewalks and hustlers in the hills. It’s laborers and housekeepers, and billboards of lust, dystopia, apes, robots, Chewbaccas, Kim and Kanye, and Lady Gaga’s newest thing. It’s clear skies, no mosquitoes and laser-sculpted people with money, hedgerows and sins. A crime writer can make of it what he or she wants, like “Westworld” or a lover who gives you a kiss and a key, and one day changes the locks.

The city is the seething, sexy capital of noir. It is an illicit urge — a trick of possibility — slinking like a con-man’s ruse into a novelist’s imagination. Transgressions pile up and the skyline is newly pricked, rising above vintage bungalows that sell for a million plus and are gutted and remade for the conceits and dark angels of a new century.

Raymond Chandler knew Los Angeles was both lie and delusion. A bitter candy land, where paradise betrays and men talk tough and women know the score. The city is desire and the demons beneath, a metropolis where virtue is transactional and shifting facades, like so many Hollywood sets, mask cruelty and indifference. Not forever but long enough to make one wonder whether Michael Connelly’s reticent and resilient Det. Harry Bosch will in the end find peace in his creed: “Everybody counts or nobody counts.”
“Telling something new about this place is what defines a great L.A. crime novel,” said Connelly, whose new book, “The Night Fire,” which pairs Bosch with Det. Renee Ballard, will be published Tuesday. “Not imitating what has been done in the past but taking those influences and inspirations, putting it in a blender with your own experiences and ideas, mixing on puree and pouring out something unique about this unique place.”

Los Angeles is at once a stereotype and piercingly its own, a mountain lion caught in traffic, a cumbia gliding through a hymn. It is a surfer’s sunset, a Santa Ana gust, a wildfire, a canyon howl, a glittering mural, a whispered hate, a body in a street. Like the men and women in its crime novels, the city, a multicultural diary of splendor and hurt, is its own character: grisly, sinister, smooth, sly, urbane, verbose, sparse, fatalistic, celebratory, hopeful and occasionally as doomed as James Ellroy’s “Black Dahlia.”

“All books about Los Angeles have a little bit of noir in them. The city, after all, demands it,” said David L. Ulin, a former Times books editor, author and editor of “Writing Los Angeles: A Literary Anthology.” “This is a place where many people come out of their aspiration — to get famous, to get rich, to get away. Noir is what happens when they don’t get what they’re looking for; noir is what happens in the aftermath ... when desperation sets in. That’s one of the central stories of Los Angeles.”

Writers and readers have many takes on what makes the definitive L.A. crime novel: “An L.A. noir book must unfold in the darkness of L.A,” said T. Jefferson Parker, whose latest book is “The Last Good Guy.” “It can be old or contemporary. It’s a mood, not a time.” Steph Cha, author of “Your House Will Pay,” a compelling new novel exploring the city’s racial tensions, is less particular: “I figure if it’s got crime in it, and it takes place in Los Angeles, it qualifies.”

The city’s noir is a puzzle of flawed heroes and devious interlopers: cops, private eyes, assassins, gamblers, schemers and femme fatales looking not so much for absolution as for a reckoning that will edge them through another day. Or not. From Philip Marlowe to Easy Rawlins, crime novel sleuths know that human nature, whether in Watts or Beverly Hills, is balanced between reward and tragedy, and that a soul — its tender wants, grievous yearnings and amoral fascinations — is a peculiar, hard-to-reconcile thing.

“I’ve always been drawn to the beautiful loser or the unwitting dupe,” said Tod Goldberg, author of “Gangster Nation.” “Characters like Roy Dillon in Jim Thompson’s ‘The Grifters’ or of course Tod Hackett in Nathanael West’s ‘The Day of the Locust,’ characters too smart by half to be wrapped up in the lives they’ve chosen. Issues of identity have always run through the best crime novels of our region, each of us ruled by who we think we are versus who reality has shown us to be, difficult circumstances in a world where seemingly half the people we encounter are employed in make-believe for their living.”

Chandler’s wry cynicism, tinged sadness and clever asides (“Such a lot of guns around town and so few brains”) infused his novels, including “The Big Sleep” and “The Long Goodbye”, with a hard-boiled sophistication that would influence crime writers and filmmakers for generations. The 1946 movie version of his Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart / “The Big Sleep”) was a near perfect union of book and film, one that showed how indivisible noir literature and cinema would become even as crime movies lost their suave double- entendres to expletives and gratuitous gunplay.

“I don’t think there’s any other genre that is so intertwined as the crime genre with film and novel,” said Don Winslow, author of “The Border” and “The Cartel.” “You can’t separate them. They have been informed by each other from the time they started rolling the camera. Noir particularly. Look, I never sat in my office as a PI where a trumpet started and a long-legged blond walked into the room. It was my wife, and I was home with a jazz record on, but that soundtrack of noir informs me when I sit down to write.”

In more recent decades, voices from diverse communities have articulated the texture and resonance of the city’s multi-ethnic landscape. What defines Los Angeles is being shot through different prisms. Hector Tobar’s “The Tattooed Soldier” brings the enmities of the Guatemalan civil war to the L.A. riots. Japanese American novelist Joe Ide has sketched a wonderfully clever thinking-man’s sleuth in his “IQ” series. Cha has delivered Juniper Song, an edgy and inventive Korean American private investigator. Walter Mosely’s proud and enduring Rawlins — a World War II vet with a taste for real estate and temptation — journeys into racism and social inequities faced by African Americans.

The Easy Rawlins books “present a side of L.A. so real that I have no doubt it exists,” said Bette Ross, a writer. “In my mind, I see streets of modest houses, some with rusted cars in the yard, some yards well-kept with flowers, hints about the people who live there. Personal expectations are built from different parameters ... Justice is tempered by implacable, sometimes vicious reality.”

“For so many decades,” said Daniel Olivas, author and editor of the anthology “Latinos in Lotusland,” “people of color in Los Angeles really were nothing more than props and ugly stereotypes in ‘classic’ noir fiction.” He praised Yxta Maya Murray’s novel “Locas” for capturing Chicanas “living in the gang-ravaged Los Angeles neighborhood of Echo Park.... But in this novel, women of color are at its center rather than being relegated to mere plot points, sexual conquests or incidental appearances.”

Reality here is a tease with a bullet, a come-on for a setup. In his 1981 novel, “A Savage Place,” Robert B. Parker called L.A. “the last hallucination, the dwindled fragment of — what had Fitzgerald called it? — ‘the last and greatest of all human dreams.’ It was where we’d run out of room, where the dream had run up against the ocean, and human voices woke us. Los Angeles was the butt end, where we’d spat it out with our mouths tasting of ashes, but a genial failure of a place for all that.”

It is the lonely heart beating inside the wreckage, where characters confront history and themselves, such as Jackie Ishida, a Japanese American in Nina Revoyr’s “Southland” who examines the life of her grandfather in a story that is an intimate and sweeping look at Los Angeles’ diversity and danger. Like a smart dame — a derringer in her sequined clutch — outwitting a patsy, the story of the city is a protagonist’s search for answers no matter how unseemly.

“For me,” said Ide, “L.A. noir is about a lone, determined character, trying to find a way through a perilous, capricious, multilayered city. Sometimes to seek justice, sometimes just to survive.”

Los Angeles is America through refracted light. A soft glow needled with glare. The country looks west and sees a future that inspires and frightens, a city of progressive politics and immigrants, of homeless tents and Marvel fantasies; of God, flesh, tattoos, Cartier and lowriders. It is reluctant to confront its ills and restless in its contradictions, a place for itinerant souls to barter and bid and, depending on one’s luck, find sustenance, wealth or a glimmer of providence. That’s when shadows shift and bodies fall.

“We’re drawn to the feral qualities of the grasping, amoral Angelenos who populate classic L.A. noir,” write Kim Cooper and Richard Schave, who run Esotouric Tours, which explores the city’s lurid underbelly. “Strangers in town, free agents, they don’t feel the eyes of village elders upon them — they can do anything they dream here and get away with it or kill or die trying.”

An imagined crime here can spring from a sudden glimpse. The other day, where the 110 veers to the 105, a leopard-print high-heeled shoe sat alone on the roadside. A purple scarf lay in nearby weeds. Traffic raced past. Planes bound for LAX skimmed the distance. It was hazy, hot. Another day on the outskirts. The mind wandered, the way it does when the radio plays like a whisper. One wondered whose foot that shoe belonged to; whose neck was draped in that scarf, which rippled in a wind that blew west toward the runways and the ocean.
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I stand corrected. Excellent research Noir Noir.

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One Mack Sennett reference book suggests 5819 Pasadena Ave. could possibly be the Van De Kamp's that appears in a 1927 comedy Smith's Candy Shop.

It first shows up at the twelve minute mark.


archive.org - Smith's Candy Shop
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At the 16:23 mark a street car goes by. . .





. . .revealing a 'mystery' drug store.





As the little girl offers the policeman a piece of candy you can see a street number on the drug store's awning.



hmmm...possibly 3267....

Do ya'll think we can figure out where this drug store was located. (or is located)
____________________________________________________________________________________






I've decided to go ahead and add this frame.

Here is the policeman, from a different angle, eating the candy with several buildings behind him.



Of course this doesn't necessarily mean the buildings are across the store from the drug store. (although that's what the shot implies)
The shot might have been taken at another time (or location) and edited into the sequence.

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A 'mystery' car parked on a Los Angeles sidestreet. [1962 Kodachrome slide]



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Does anyone recognize the make of this car? It's unfamiliar to me.







Here's an expanded view.



It's relatively small in comparison with the car behind it.


The street sign says Crown Ave. but I can't make out the other street.

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A 'mystery' car parked on a Los Angeles sidestreet. [1962 Kodachrome slide]



eBay

Does anyone recognize the make of this car? It's unfamiliar to me.







Here's an expanded view.



It's relatively small in comparison with the car behind it.


The street sign says Crown Ave. but I can't make out the other street.

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Noren St. It's Crown and Noren in La Canada/Flintridge.

via GSV
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Have we seen the interior of the Hollenbeck Hotel Cafe?


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I was looking for articles about lurid happenings there, and failing in my mission. Here's a reminiscence though:


LA Times 3/29/1940, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

And here's an interesting if un-lurid happening:


LA Herald, 8/27/1912

Special Bonus! In my searching, ran across this, about an artistic occurrence in an apartment house brought about by someone who had recently stayed at the Hollenbeck Hotel:


LA Times 1/21/1907, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library
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A 'mystery' car parked on a Los Angeles sidestreet. [1962 Kodachrome slide]



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Does anyone recognize the make of this car? It's unfamiliar to me.

Looks like something from Ghia in the 50's, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

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Looks like something from Ghia in the 50's, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

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It looks like a Hudson Italia by Touring. I'll see if I can find a decent picture of it.




http://www.tresbohemes.com/2015/10/1954-hudson-italia/

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It looks like a Hudson Italia by Touring. I'll see if I can find a decent picture of it.




http://www.tresbohemes.com/2015/10/1954-hudson-italia/
Congratulations, you nailed it. Carrozzeria Touring instead of Ghia. Only 26 built.

Hudson. Hooda Thunkit

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. . .revealing a 'mystery' drug store.





hmmm...possibly 3267....

Do ya'll think we can figure out where this drug store was located. (or is located)


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The building is still standing. It's rooms were listed as the Fleming Apartments (764 Normandie) from 1927 to the 1940's.


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You're quite good at this sleuthing thing we have going on, Noir Noir.


re: The mystery car.
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It looks like a Hudson Italia by Touring.
Good job UphillDonkey!
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Congratulations, you nailed it. Carrozzeria Touring instead of Ghia. Only 26 built.
Only 26 built. Wow!
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Noren St. It's Crown and Noren in La Canada/Flintridge.
What's it doing out in La Canada/Flintridge?

Hmmmm...
I believe there were Disney illustrators living in the area. Maybe it's one of their cars. (wild guess)


Click HERE to see the slide on eBay. ..(I'm going through the seller's other slides in search of clues)
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You're quite good at this sleuthing thing we have going on, Noir Noir.


re: The mystery car.

Good job UphillDonkey!

Only 26 built. Wow!

What's it doing out in La Canada/Flintridge?

Hmmmm...
I believe there were Disney illustrators living in the area. Maybe it's one of their cars. (wild guess)


Click HERE to see the slide on eBay. ..(I'm going through the seller's other slides in search of clues)
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La Canada Flintridge isn't exactly a shabby area, those houses probably go for a couple of million now.
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Congratulations, you nailed it. Carrozzeria Touring instead of Ghia. Only 26 built.

Hudson. Hooda Thunkit

Cheers,

Earl
According to wiki:

1954 Hudson Italia Coupe by Carrozzeria Touring
$265,000...Result : sold at auction in 2012
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A 'mystery' car parked on a Los Angeles sidestreet. [1962 Kodachrome slide]


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Hmmmm...
I believe there were Disney illustrators living in the area. Maybe it's one of their cars. (wild guess)

My wild guess.

Apparently all of the Hudson Italias originally had "Italian Cream" exterior paintwork. Any variations from this would be the work of subsequent car dealers or owners.
Seeing as there's so few of these cars in the first place, the differing colors should also be pretty individual and rare.


This one auctioned in 2015 matches the color of the one in the 1962 picture.





It was owned by a guy named Trevor Constable back around the early 1960's. He was also a friend of the car's designer Frank Spring. Here he is pictured with his car.




classicdriver.com - Hudson Italia


The auctioned car is missing the original wheels but seemingly stood on jack stands with the engine also gone for about three decades.


So by the laws of chance and color, I'm guessing that's Trevor Constable's car parked up on Crown Avenue in 1962.
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