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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 3:19 PM
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Some of you don’t really seem to understand how civic nonprofits like FotP work, so you’re misinterpreting what you’re seeing in newspaper reports.

FotP has a large volunteer board, and has a few fulltime staff, including a relatively new executive director. The executive director of such an organization is always walking a tightrope: expected to show leadership but also expected to take policy direction from the board. A board discussion about "what’s the right strategy regarding LMNA?" broke into an embarrassing news story a couple of weeks ago, leading some reporters to say that FotP had caved on the lawsuit. Instead, what appears to have happened was that the board directed Irizarry to make a list of what the group should try to get if there is ever an opportunity for negotiation.

She did so, and a couple of board members leaked it to the press. It’s not much different than if someone on the Chicago Teachers Union negotiating committee leaked emails regarding “what we should ask for in our next contract.” Board members of do-gooder organizations often have different ideas on strategy; they don’t always have the sealed lips of corporate boards or mayoral appointees. It’s just silly to say that a good-government group like FotP looks bad because they didn’t muzzle their board.

Once the Tribune published the memo, FotP decided it was better to own up to it on Facebook than to look silly trying to deny it. So they simply posted the Tribune story, saying “If they want to trade, here are our terms. Out in the open.” The post includes this odd third-party language: “The parks preservation group identified six points to discuss with the mayor’s office and the team working to bring the museum to Chicago, according to the memo.” Remember that FotP has never released the memo and has declined to comment on it. So it’s also ridiculous for the Park District to complain that they didn’t get a copy before the Tribune published a leaked internal memo. How exactly was Irizarry supposed to prevent a board member from leaking the document?

FotP has always had a delicate relationship with the park district, from the days when FotP were the annoying do-gooders pointing out that Ed Kelly’s thousands of patronage employees weren’t actually doing the work/holding the classes they claimed to be. Relations have been much better in recent years, but the park district will always view any watchdog group as an unneeded annoyance, just as the city council doesn’t want anyone investigating its behavior.
Good God. No, you don't know how non-profits should work. Nearly all non-profit boards are comprised of volunteers, that is the norm and not unique to FOPL. As a former non-profit director and board member for another non-profit, FOPL is an embarrassment and a joke when it comes to non-profit governance, long term strategy, and communications. If the board was properly run and managed (assuming each board member had an equal vote), then a split board would mean, according to most by-laws, that the lawsuit should not proceed. The fact that the lawsuit is still around, and the numerous contrarian statements, suggests the organization is personality driven by one or two, or a handful, of loud individuals who have more sway than they should have, and that textbook governance procedures are not practiced. A media leak suggests dissenting opinions are muzzled at meetings. Like many weaker non-profits, FOPL may be suffering from founder's syndrome or other personality issues, where plurality views are overridden by entrenched board members who have the backing of one or two large donors or other people.

Your post, like all of your other defenses of this pathetic organization, minimizes the larger issues with the organization. This leak wasn't an aberration or one-off thing, the totality of the circumstances and all we've seen from FOPL this past year strongly suggests it's a joke of an organization that only appears to be competent because it can file lawsuits, such competence being solely the result of the attorney and not anyone in the organization. Media leaks, complete unwillingness to speak to the press by the executive director, and no public engagement strategy is not the hallmark of a professionally run organization--especially one that has full time staff.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 3:36 PM
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FOTP: really no different than ISIS. Preposteous, outrageous and unreasonable list of demands that are holding this development and the City hostage.

You're better (or at least should be) than this comparison. I definitely don't offend easily, but have a half-decent imagination, and that imagination tells me there are likely many that would be quite offended here, and it'd be difficult to argue with them....
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 4:13 PM
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Anyhow it's funny that Mr. D brings up the CTU as it sounds like Ms. Irizarry and friends are just about as successful in getting their organization repeatedly railroaded and attracting the ire of the public as Lewis is.

Hilarious part of this post, if only because it highlights an acute political 'tonedeafness'. Your reading of the current political climate in Chicago could use a vigorous 'dust-off'.......
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 4:22 PM
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Hilarious part of this post, if only because it highlights an acute political 'tonedeafness'. Your reading of the current political climate in Chicago could use a vigorous 'dust-off'.......
Rahm won reelection, CTU lost their bid to unseat him. College students complaining about police brutality doesn't change that. Rahm has remained in power despite his enemies best efforts and has gotten his way pretty much across the board. Karen Lewis is more popular than ever among her shrinking constituency, but what has she actually gotten them? Nothing but school closings, followed by pay cuts (well benefits decreases and slower raises, but that's what is considered pay cuts by her goons), followed by a lost mayoral election, followed by mass layoffs. As an organizational leader she has categorically failed her troops. There is a difference between what you hear on ABC7 and what is actually happening in city hall.

Just another example of you lashing out because no one is taking you seriously in another argument elsewhere.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 6:08 PM
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Yup, no difference at all between pointing out a possible violation of federal law and terrorism.
Granted making comparisons with ISIS is stretching it; however economic & civic terrorism is taking place due to the deplorable members of Friends of the Parking Lot likely causing Chicago to lose this museum to another city.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 6:24 PM
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tribune is reporting Lucas is gone if no deal TODAY, or at least that a park official says so



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...621-story.html

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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 6:29 PM
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Can't blame him. He's getting old and definitely wants to actually see a museum of his own created with his own eyes, not after his death.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 7:07 PM
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clearly some brinkmanship on both sides
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 7:16 PM
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Good God. No, you don't know how non-profits should work. Nearly all non-profit boards are comprised of volunteers, that is the norm and not unique to FOPL. As a former non-profit director and board member for another non-profit, FOPL is an embarrassment and a joke when it comes to non-profit governance, long term strategy, and communications. If the board was properly run and managed (assuming each board member had an equal vote), then a split board would mean, according to most by-laws, that the lawsuit should not proceed. The fact that the lawsuit is still around, and the numerous contrarian statements, suggests the organization is personality driven by one or two, or a handful, of loud individuals who have more sway than they should have, and that textbook governance procedures are not practiced. A media leak suggests dissenting opinions are muzzled at meetings. Like many weaker non-profits, FOPL may be suffering from founder's syndrome or other personality issues, where plurality views are overridden by entrenched board members who have the backing of one or two large donors or other people.

Your post, like all of your other defenses of this pathetic organization, minimizes the larger issues with the organization. This leak wasn't an aberration or one-off thing, the totality of the circumstances and all we've seen from FOPL this past year strongly suggests it's a joke of an organization that only appears to be competent because it can file lawsuits, such competence being solely the result of the attorney and not anyone in the organization. Media leaks, complete unwillingness to speak to the press by the executive director, and no public engagement strategy is not the hallmark of a professionally run organization--especially one that has full time staff.

This pretty much said it all.

Aside from that, I have to wonder how much their other goals mean to the organization because it's starting to look like they've basically burned their relationship with the Park District to the ground. That may very well make fulfilling their other important objectives otherwise impossible.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 7:18 PM
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I'm not buying it since there is no reason for them to bail before the appeals court comes back.

Odd how apparently Kamin can get the FotP excecs to talk but nobody else can.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 8:12 PM
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^that's because Kamin is a tool... we've established that over and over again on these threads...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2016, 10:18 PM
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Communiqué from FotP this afternoon:

UPDATE FROM FRIENDS OF THE PARKS


Lucas Museum Lawsuit Update

Dear friends of Friends of the Parks:

You may have seen a flurry of media coverage about the Lucas Museum in the last week or so. Here is a recap of what has happened, some of which has been reported correctly but much of which has not. So we wanted to share with you accurate information.

Per the mayor's invitation, Friends of the Parks agreed to begin negotiations regarding the Lucas Museum on the McCormick Place East. Here is the list of priority items that we put on the table for negotiation.
  1. A legally enforceable agreement to protect the lakefront from development (other than park recreation-related uses) for the next 100 years.
  2. Changes in the Lucas Museum's legal structuring to conform to that of the other public museums in Chicago, with appropriate revisions to the Ground Lease for the museum consistent with those of other museums.
  3. Development of DuSable Park.
  4. The creation of a Neighborhood Parks Fund to be held at an institution like The Chicago Community Trust and controlled by an advisory board formed by such institution, funded by contributions that represent 5% of the Lucas Museum's revenues for the life of the museum, to pay for park capital improvements-like fixing the crumbling field houses and sports fields that are in disrepair-in dis-invested neighborhoods across the city.
  5. A Community Benefits Agreements to ensure that a significant number of temporary and permanent jobs created by the Lucas Museum/McCormick Place development and on-going operations go to low-income and minority residents of Chicago.
  6. The conversion of the Soldier Field parking lot into a green event space (which allows for Bears tailgating) such as that proposed in the Lucas Museum Plan A design.

The city responded by calling our request "extortion." And, we found out after the fact of our meeting with the mayor that he wasn't asking Friends of the Parks to negotiate over the McCormick Place East site but over the originally-proposed lakefront site.

We were given an ultimatum to come to an agreement with the city over the originally-proposed lakefront site by Tuesday, June 21, or the Lucas Museum would leave Chicago and it would be our fault. We were told to drop the lawsuit and trust the city to work with us to address our other concerns.

Our board was not willing to accept that demand, and we notified the city late Tuesday afternoon that we are not dropping the lawsuit.


We are now waiting to see what happens next, while we await the judges' decision on the writ of mandamus.

We say a big, big, thank you to the many of you who have continued to write, call, and donate to support Friends of the Parks in our efforts to do all we can to protect our lakefront. We have been so encouraged by the recent surge in new members and donors.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
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We were given an ultimatum to come to an agreement with the city over the originally-proposed lakefront site by Tuesday, June 21, or the Lucas Museum would leave Chicago and it would be our fault. We were told to drop the lawsuit and trust the city to work with us to address our other concerns.

Our board was not willing to accept that demand, and we notified the city late Tuesday afternoon that we are not dropping the lawsuit.
Which was obviously false since there hasn't been an announcement that they are going elsewhere and it would be stupid to drop it before the appeals court rules...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2016, 11:22 PM
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Communiqué from FotP this afternoon:

[FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][INDENT]UPDATE FROM FRIENDS OF THE PARKS


Lucas Museum Lawsuit Update

Dear friends of Friends of the Parks:
......
So they are saying this wasn't an internal memo, it was actual demands.
They also thought they were holding both MPE and the parking lot hostage. Once they figured out they could only dictate the future of part of the downtown lakefront, they were mad.
And they acknowledge that they did try to extort 5% of the museum revenues, but they took offence when someone called them out on it. Now their "feewings" are hurt so they're going to stamp their feet and turn their back on the city.


It is seeming more and more like FotPL has tied their existence to this suit and shifted their core ideology to pure political grandstanding and obstructionism. After all the enemies they've made, I can't imagine that we'll have to hear from them much longer.

I hope you'll share the inevitable FotPL "we're closing up shop" e-mail when it comes out in the next year or so, MR D.
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Why is it extortion to use museum revenues to fix up parks? I'm not a fan of FotP for obvious reasons.....but that's not the definition of extortion
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2016, 12:11 AM
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Probably because museum revenues should be used for museum operations, endowment, etc? Extortion is the practice of forcing people to give you money through threats, demanding a cut of the museum revenues is at least somewhat reasonably described by that word. The fact that this is going through regular legal channels kind of moots that vocabulary though.
     
     
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Which was obviously false since there hasn't been an announcement that they are going elsewhere
Well, this morning's Tribune has this puzzling report:
Consider the ominous-sounding text message sent Sunday by the head of the Chicago Park District board to the leader of the parks group: “Time is now truly of the essence. If there is anything we can work out, it needs to happen by Tuesday or the window closes forever.”

To Executive Director Juanita Irizarry, that was a hard deadline to negotiate a deal with the city. “We have been told that Mr. Lucas, the Lucas Museum, will leave Chicago at any moment,” she said Tuesday morning.

But by Tuesday afternoon — with no deal made — the Park District’s spokeswoman sought to shrug off the text as Park District Board President Jesse H. Ruiz’s personal timeline, not representative of a city timetable.

“The two were communicating by text message to set up a meeting date,” said Park District spokeswoman Jessica Maxey-Faulkner. “Mr. Ruiz was referring to his own personal schedule and availability to meet. Nothing else.”

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So they are saying this wasn't an internal memo, it was actual demands.
That's still not clear to me, because apparently no negotiations ever took place. Just having compiled a wish list doesn't make them "demands." Is Lucas's desire for a lakefront site and none other a "demand?"
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2016, 1:41 AM
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That's still not clear to me, because apparently no negotiations ever took place. Just having compiled a wish list doesn't make them "demands." Is Lucas's desire for a lakefront site and none other a "demand?"
Bear with me here, this won't be quite as talking-point centric as the normal FotPL communique

Lucas demanded nothing. He said "make me an offer". He has been entirely mute on the affair with the exception of occasionally speaking about his vision for the museum and the legacy that he wanted to leave to it. For example: https://www.chicagoideas.com/videos/723

The city offered to lease a current pile of urban blight to a not-for-profit museum which Lucas was willing to fun and he accepted. This not for profit would actually add something to the city (including parkland). It would be a friend of the parks, if you will...

The city was transparent about this process, offering an entire report which discussed the selection process.
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content...Report.pdf.pdf

Now a completely unrelated, self-important group, composed in a large part by people who don't live in this city and led by a rightfully rejected wannabe machine alderman is trying to undermine this city's democratic process.

I'd be just as irked if "friends of winnetka" was suing to block navy pier renovations or "mcdonalds oak park retaliation brigade" was suing to prevent west loop PDs. No group of random extremists should be able to hold the city hostage just to score political points.

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2016, 1:03 PM
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Communiqué from FotP this afternoon:

The city responded by calling our request "extortion." And, we found out after the fact of our meeting with the mayor that he wasn't asking Friends of the Parks to negotiate over the McCormick Place East site but over the originally-proposed lakefront site.[/INDENT]

Irregardless of how the city characterized their demands the fact is that it was apparent, weeks ago, that the MPE site was politically impossible due to political conditions in Springfield and higher priority items for the city (such as relief from the CPS pension issue). If they really "just now" realized that MPE is off the table then their ineptitude knows no bounds.
     
     
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