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Old Posted Aug 23, 2022, 2:44 PM
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That property is a residence, it’s been one of the most amazing Christmas displays for years. You could get out and walk around the yard and see all the different characters
They also bought the house next door and moved it this summer.
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The second subdivision proposal on Elmwood, on the other side of the street from the Eastgate development now has a name - "The Vineyard".

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PUBLIC NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of Moncton is
considering an amendment to the Municipal Plan By-law # Z-122, being By-law # Z122.2.

The proposed amendment application is to accommodate the development of a low to
medium density residential neighbourhood off Elmwood Drive (PID 70186069, a portion
of PID 00842948, and a portion of PID 00932269).

The purpose of the proposed By-law amendment, being By-law Z-122.2, is to modify
Schedule 1 “Generalized Future Land Use Map” by amending the designation from RR
(Rural Residential) to NH (Neighbourhood); and Schedule 2 “Urban Boundary” to
expand the Urban Boundary to include the subject lands.

The proposed amendment would also allow for the property to be rezoned from RR1
(Rural Residential) to RM (Residential Mix).
There are some site plans for the development available for review on line, but I am at work, and can't really post them right now. I will try to do this later this evening.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2022, 5:09 PM
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Here is the planning package for the Eastgate Village proposal.

https://www5.moncton.ca/docs/pac/Pub...lic_Notice.pdf

The package is massive - 72 pages!!!!
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Here is the link for "The Vineyard".

https://www5.moncton.ca/docs/pac/Pub...lic_Notice.pdf
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Glad to see both of these proposals recommended for not approved. Moncton will not benefit from sprawling northwards when it still has land south of the TCH to grow and develop.
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Regarding the proposed "The Vineyard" subdivision off of Elmwood Drive:

Locator map:


The entire property to be subdivided is enclosed by the solid red line. Only the cross hatched area however is to be developed in phase one.

Street plan for phase one:


As previously speculated, this property is intended to be low to medium density housing, mostly for detached SFHs.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 4:40 PM
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New traffic lights at McLaughlin/Hennessy are to be installed tomorrow.

Expect traffic delays.
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Glad to see both of these proposals recommended for not approved. Moncton will not benefit from sprawling northwards when it still has land south of the TCH to grow and develop.
Planning recommended they not be approved..
But council approved them..... no?
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Planning recommended they not be approved..
But council approved them..... no?
Provisional. Still needs to go through public hearings, PAC and final council approval.
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Provisional. Still needs to go through public hearings, PAC and final council approval.
Oh.

Appreciate the clarification.
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There are notes on CCD Canada for "Elmwood Drive Commercial Buildings 1&2".

Building 1 is the plaza under construction by Sobeys that will contain PetValu. Since they are mentioning "Building 2" (A&W) too, I take this to mean that they will be beginning construction of this building soon as well.
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Some more information about Oulton's new campus on Elmwood
Oulton College Adding Third Campus
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The college’s human services faculty will be housed in the new facility.

Oulton College director of operations Patricia Worthington-LeBlanc says the programs include early childhood education and policing and corrections foundation.

“This new facility affords us some new classrooms, brand new instructor workspace and an onsite gymnasium as well that our policing cadets and our paramedic students will be able to use for their physical fitness requirements.”
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2022, 1:44 AM
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Copied from the main Moncton thread:

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City council meeting tonight. Both the Eastgate Village and Vineyard subdivisions off of Elmwood will be discussed. It will be interesting to see what transpires. This topic touches a lot of sensitivities, both in the neighbourhood and within the greater city (both pro and con), as well as challenging urban planning fundamentals as well.
This is from Mayor Dawn Arnold's summary of the city council deliberations this evening:

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In Planning Matters, we had the public presentations for two expansions beyond the serviceable boundary on Elmwood, setting the Public Hearing for October 17th (this will the an opportunity for the public to express their views on this publicly, but there will also be opportunities to submit in writing). Additionally, it still needs to come to the Planning Advisory Committee.
A pretty bare boned paragraph, devoid of real content. There is more information in this T&T article released online this evening:

https://tj.news/times-and-transcript/101958430 (paywall)

It is abundantly clear that there is intense opposition to the Eastgate and Vineyard subdivisions within the Mayors Office and the City Planning Department. Meanwhile there is considerable support for these two developments in City Council itself. Lines are being drawn. The upcoming public hearings and PAC meeting should be quite interesting. The final city council meeting to approve these developments should be downright Machiavellian. Fasten your seatbelts!!!
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It is abundantly clear that there is intense opposition to the Eastgate and Vineyard subdivisions within the Mayors Office and the City Planning Department. Meanwhile there is considerable support for these two developments in City Council itself. Lines are being drawn. The upcoming public hearings and PAC meeting should be quite interesting. The final city council meeting to approve these developments should be downright Machiavellian. Fasten your seatbelts!!!
Then maybe it's time for a new mayor? All we've seen in Moncton for the past many years is the "MOAR APARTMENTS!!" monster, even in areas which have historically been primarily houses. The city has done a horrible job of pushing new residential areas themselves (e.g. vision lands) so it's time to let developers have their shot to see how it goes.
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2022, 3:03 PM
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CKNI-FM article about the Vineyard and Eastgate rezoning:

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MONCTON — The public will have a chance to have its say on October 17 on two subdivisions proposed off Elmwood Drive.

Both subdivisions are not being supported by city staff who have made that clear to Moncton City Council.

Eastgate Village would have 956 residential units, a private school, a daycare and a market across from Irishtown Nature Park.

Moncton city planner Josh Adams reminded council the application goes against the city’s municipal plan.

“Looking at all the different areas of the city that are developing and all the opportunities within the urban boundary, we’d have capacity for about 32,000 units with our existing zoning. So that would be a land supply of more than 25 years, potentially close to 50 years with the growth that we’re anticipating.”

Given that capacity, Adams noted how the city wouldn’t need to extend its urban boundary to add water and sewer services which the project would need.

The other subdivision, the Vineyard near Granite Drive, would be a low to medium density residential development and would also require an urban boundary extension.

Moncton senior planner Sarah Anderson told council that the landowner has put a lot of time and effort into this proposal since 1994.

“But as the city has grown, more thought has gone into planned and intentional growth patterns with an emphasis on smart growth that is more cost effective and transit supportive for the benefit of all residents of the city.”

Anderson said there’s already enough land available for development within the urban boundary and noted the high costs of building out rather than infilling and building up.

There is a 30-day period to submit written comments about the subdivisions by email at info.clerk@moncton.ca.
This is (will be) a very important meeting upcoming. The issue is not so much about the worthiness of these two subdivision proposals, but on who really controls urban development in Moncton - the city planning department, or city council.

If the planning department wins, then expect rigid dogmatism in all future city development, with very little latitude for modification or changes based on existing planning documents. The hierarchy will be inflexible, bureaucratic and non negotiable.

If city council wins, this will weaken the power of the mayor and of city planning, leading to a much more laissez-faire approach to planning matters. This could be equally as bad as it could produce nonsensical decisions in planning matters and a haphazard development approach.

The proper course (of course) is the middle path. Planning rules exist for a reason, and should be respected, but, planning documents can never foresee any and all potentialities, and things happen. Rigid dogmatism is the enemy of progress. For example, the entirety of Granite Drive to the west of Costco lies outside the municipal service boundary. Does this mean that this land should lie fallow forever? At some point in time, the existing development out there will be full, and if further growth is to occur, it will require extending the boundary to the west. Should the answer be an automatic "no", even it it prevents (for example) a new factory outlet village from being built in a prime retail location???

Sanity and not dogmatism is necessary on both sides, but, alas, I think the battle lines are being drawn over development along the Elmwood Drive corridor. This could get nasty.
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Nice aerial showing progress on the three apartment building complex currently under construction off of Harrisville Blvd.near the CNR mainline.


Source - https://www.facebook.com/infinityaerials.ca
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Approving Vineyard is almost mandatory, given the site history, and the fact that it's basically surrounded by the growth boundary.
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Read on the Retail Talk and Share New Brunswick FB group that the old Morton pub building has sold sign on it now. Wonder who bought it?
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The "old" Morton Pub is going to try its luck as an Indian Bistro... someday something is going to stick. Best of luck to its new owners!
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The "old" Morton Pub is going to try its luck as an Indian Bistro... someday something is going to stick. Best of luck to its new owners!
My only concern is the sudden surfeit of Indian food places in the city. Is there a business case for all of them to survive?
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