AUSTIN | Transportation Updates - Page 355

JAM · #**7081** Posted **Oct 25, 2020, 4:54 PM**

Here is a video discussing the topic

https://www.chds.us/ed/items/16510

or the paper if you care to read

https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=798868

freerover · #**7082** Posted **Oct 25, 2020, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by JAM

Here is a video discussing the topic

https://www.chds.us/ed/items/16510

or the paper if you care to read

https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=798868

I hope you are getting out there publicly with this so we know how to blame in a few years when we are stuck in endless auto traffic with no alternatives.

Novacek · #**7083** Posted **Oct 25, 2020, 5:02 PM**

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Stop calling the ramblings of an English Major trying to defeat mass transit at the behest of auto and oil industry exes a "study".

Especially one that can't do basic math.

Novacek · #**7084** Posted **Oct 25, 2020, 5:07 PM**

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2nd, you should go back and read the study I presented. Not the Austin prop A one, the other one. Trains crammed with 200 pp/car doesn't sound real pleasant to me, and is just as counter factual.

And yet it happens and works in literally every single large city worldwide.

Unlike your farcical 4k vehicles /hour /lane claim, from a study decades ago that has come no closer to fruition in the years since.

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3rd. Austin only has 1 or so million people to move. I think new technology can make that happen just fine. We are not talking about a city of 10 or 20 million people. Think we are going to get to 10 million, I wonder where the water will come from?

Austin has 1M _today_. Actually months ago, with the possibility that growth and relocations have accelerated.

And that's ignoring the entire rest of the metro.

So yes, if you think Austin's growth stopped yesterday (including natural population growth) and the rest of the metro is suddenly going to completely depopulate, your "plan" might work.

The rest of us are planning for a 5M metro and a CoA proper approaching 2M.

And that's before considering the potential for climate change population migration due to climate change later in the century.

JAM · #**7085** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 4:11 PM**

another paper - if you click on link at bottom, it brings you to PDF with references at bottom.

https://technologyandsociety.org/dri...rail-obsolete/

JAM · #**7086** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by freerover

I hope you are getting out there publicly with this so we know how to blame in a few years when we are stuck in endless auto traffic with no alternatives.

you can blame that on city council for years if mis-managing of budgets and policies. if it doesn't pass, its because people dont trust them with the money and/or the rail isn't perceived to benefit them.

Novacek · #**7087** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 4:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by JAM

another paper - if you click on link at bottom, it brings you to PDF with references at bottom.

https://technologyandsociety.org/dri...rail-obsolete/

that's not a paper, that's an op-ed.

Among other things, that means no peer review.

I've noted about 10 falsehoods just in glancing at it. Just to start:

"Where road expansion is possible, it should be carried out. Where a road expansion is impossible, a second level of roadway should be built as has been done in Kobe, Japan, Chicago in the U.S. and many other places in the world. A second level of roads in Kobe, Japan, is shown in Figure 1. A second floor of traffic lanes on the highway was built in Iran across Tehran as well. Any road can be expanded, and money saved from eliminated rail system subsidies can be used for this expansion."

"Any road can be expanded". This is quite obviously false. You can only go up or down so many levels. We're in the process of going to 3 levels for I35. That's going to be it (or expansion would be so mindboggling expensive we'd never afford it).

It's also amusing (in a sad way) that the highway segment in Israel he calls out as being uncongested is currently Orange in google maps (at almost 7PM local time).

atxsnail · #**7088** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 5:22 PM**

KVUE has a story up
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/po...1-fc75169e05b5

We vs us · #**7089** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 5:25 PM**

Nice. Just came here to post those.

Here's a rendering of McKalla:

Echostatic · #**7090** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 6:04 PM**

Wowwww that Airport station is gorgeous

drummer · #**7091** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 6:15 PM**

Agreed on the airport station - that looks fantastic. As I noted on the stadium thread, I don't like the soccer balls at McKalla, but otherwise it looks great.

Vote yes on Prop A. Let's get it!

We vs us · #**7092** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 6:21 PM**

Yep, Airport Station is giving me the feels, too. ABIA is going to be so freaking cool when everything gets connected and expanded and several B$ get slathered all over it. Sigh.

ahealy · #**7093** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 12:31 PM**

WOWWWWWW. The airport station is ....everything. VOTE YES ON PROP A!!!!!!

I hate those soccer balls lol.

drummer · #**7094** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 1:24 PM**

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WOWWWWWW. The airport station is ....everything. VOTE YES ON PROP A!!!!!!

I hate those soccer balls lol.

Thank you. You're the only other person who seems to have noticed those, haha!

ahealy · #**7095** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 12:47 PM**

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Thank you. You're the only other person who seems to have noticed those, haha!

Hehe....

On a more dark note...It seems misinformation has hit Prop A:

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201...-in-final-days

I have a sinking feeling Prop A will fail. If it does fail, Adler should just rent out the airport to fund a portion of this. I feel this will kill or stunt downtown to a level it might not be able to recover from for a very long time.... not to mention the rest of the city!

drummer · #**7096** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 1:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by ahealy

Hehe....

On a more dark note...It seems misinformation has hit Prop A:

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201...-in-final-days

I have a sinking feeling Prop A will fail. If it does fail, Adler should just rent out the airport to fund a portion of this. I feel this will kill or stunt downtown to a level it might not be able to recover from for a very long time.... not to mention the rest of the city!

I couldn't read the full article, but I get the gist of it. Unfortunately, there's not much that we can do other than hope level-headed people can see through the fog.

Tyrone Shoes · #**7097** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 1:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by ahealy

Hehe....

On a more dark note...It seems misinformation has hit Prop A:

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201...-in-final-days

I have a sinking feeling Prop A will fail. If it does fail, Adler should just rent out the airport to fund a portion of this. I feel this will kill or stunt downtown to a level it might not be able to recover from for a very long time.... not to mention the rest of the city!

A sale of the airport isn't a good idea but privatization is. Last August the Atlantic Monthly published a story on this.
Privatizing Airports Is a No-Brainer...Cities should sell their airports to close gaping budget holes.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/sell-airports/615331/
The article stresses using the funds to pay off debt but in our case it could be used to promote transportation issues.

ahealy · #**7098** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 2:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoes

A sale of the airport isn't a good idea but privatization is. Last August the Atlantic Monthly published a story on this.
Privatizing Airports Is a No-Brainer...Cities should sell their airports to close gaping budget holes.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/sell-airports/615331/
The article stresses using the funds to pay off debt but in our case it could be used to promote transportation issues.

Great article! I think this was floated around for ABIA a few years back.

The truth of it is, this is THE plan we need to have come to fruition. I really can't say that enough. I'm really confused with the advertising FOR prop A. Has anyone else noticed how bland it is? I'm curious if they're doing a lot online...?

drummer · #**7099** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by ahealy

Great article! I think this was floated around for ABIA a few years back.

The truth of it is, this is THE plan we need to have come to fruition. I really can't say that enough. I'm really confused with the advertising FOR prop A. Has anyone else noticed how bland it is? I'm curious if they're doing a lot online...?

I've seen stuff on Instagram and Linkedin, as well as links on news articles, etc., but I'm not on Facebook. It's been clean but still somewhat vague. I wish they would have addressed some of the opposition arguments weeks ago, personally, but it doesn't make any sense to put something out this late.

lonewolf · #**7100** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 3:10 PM**

I am fully against selling ABIA. PE pays the atlantic to write that shit y'all come on

geez...