City Murder Rates

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

London (UK) reached 100 murders for the year on September 22.

Here's a list of all of them.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/london-v...far-this-year/

Earlier in the year it was in the news that with almost identical populations London was ahead of NYC for murders, its that still the case or has NYC pulled away now with more than 100?

nyc has 213 homicides as of 9/16/18. as its only half the land area of london it follows that the unwashed masses are twice as churned up.

[LMich]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

its 103 homicides for cleveland as of oct 8.

they added more temporary detectives to assist.

last year 50% of the cases were solved:

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/inde..._adds_fou.html


aside from the appalling murders themselves, i thought that was kind of shocking that half were unsolved.

however, i saw there were 33 homicides in dayton in 2017 and 14 went unsolved by the end of the year, so maybe around half of the murders do go unsolved, at least initially. no doubt as time goes by more are solved, but it seems not always very quickly.

The clearance rate of homicides is about 50% nationally. This is not unusual.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

nyc has 213 homicides as of 9/16/18. as its only half the land area of london it follows that the unwashed masses are twice as churned up.

It's not a question of land area it's a question of population.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's not a question of land area it's a question of population.

except when the population is the same its about something else. in this case, among other things, perhaps spreading out helps keep people from killing each other.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by LMich

The clearance rate of homicides is about 50% nationally. This is not unusual.

it seems the initial clearance rate is around 50%. i wonder what it is over time though. i would assume more cases get solved as time goes by.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

its 103 homicides for cleveland as of oct 8.

they added more temporary detectives to assist.

last year 50% of the cases were solved:

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/inde..._adds_fou.html


aside from the appalling murders themselves, i thought that was kind of shocking that half were unsolved.

CPD's clearance rate for homicides was at a paltry 17.5% last year.

one of the main stumbling blocks is the "no-snitch" code of silence in the gang-infested ghettos.

it's hard to build a case when none of the potential witnesses of a homicide are willing to cooperate with the police.

and it's one of the contributing factors to chicago's obscene levels of street violence. the thugs know that if they shoot another thug, there's a very good chance they won't get nabbed for it.

[mrnyc]

^ whoa -- and i thought 50% was shocking.

thankfully the whole no snitching culture is long gone in ny and people are quick to point fingers or take deals to get out these days. the citywide clearance rate for murders was 77%, 88% and 60% the last three quarters.

[LMich]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

it seems the initial clearance rate is around 50%. i wonder what it is over time though. i would assume more cases get solved as time goes by.

Well, yes. I'm not sure what the time limit is (might be a "First 48" kind of timeline), but that's what clearance means, the rate of the initial arrest warrants/charges. The national clearance rates for homicides, again, is 50%. Of course some are solved later. Anyway, Detroit's was at 48% last year.

[Acajack]

Here is the number of murders and the resolution rate for the area patrolled by Montreal police, basically Montreal island which has 2 million people.



•2017 : 24 60%
•2016 : 23 70%
•2015 : 29 72%
•2014 : 28 50%
•2013 : 28 71%
•2012 : 35 57%
•2011 : 35 60%
•2010 : 37 84%
•2009 : 31 61%
•2008 : 29 59%
•2007 : 41 56%

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by LMich

Well, yes. I'm not sure what the time limit is (might be a "First 48" kind of timeline), but that's what clearance means, the rate of the initial arrest warrants/charges. The national clearance rates for homicides, again, is 50%. Of course some are solved later. Anyway, Detroit's was at 48% last year.

i dont think its first 48 quick, a clearance rate typically means for the new cases for the year, or as in the nyc compstat data, for the quarter. it's just a snapshot and doesn't say anything about what happens with a case later on. again, i would assume there are more arrests, charges and solved crimes or dropped cases as time goes by. at least i would hope so. maybe longer term stats are kept, i dk.

[JuelzJones]

Toronto is at 85. Making that 2.9/100,000 so far, basing off of the 2.93 million population

[Darkoshvilli]

Montreal has 21.

[begratto]

Originally Posted by Darkoshvilli

Montreal has 21.

22 now for the area served by Montreal's PD. (Source).
Population served by Montreal City Police : 2.0M
1.1 homicide / 100,000 people so far this year

For the entire Metropolitan area (including the city)
29 homicides
Population : 4.2M
0.7 homicide / 100,000 people so far this year

[creamcityleo79]

Not EXACTLY murder related; but, for the first time since 1993, NYC had no SHOOTINGS for a whole weekend (3 full days).


http://time.com/5425477/nyc-no-shootings-weekend-nypd/

[dubu]

murder deaths in the nw. not even close to new york or any of the big cities. its mostly accidental deaths here. hit by cars, car crashes...

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by creamcityleo79

Not EXACTLY murder related; but, for the first time since 1993, NYC had no murders for a whole weekend (3 full days).


http://time.com/5425477/nyc-no-shootings-weekend-nypd/

No, it's shootings, not murders.

NYC had no shootings for a three day weekend. It has gone much longer periods with no murders, but there has been no three day weekend with no shootings in decades.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Crawford

No, it's shootings, not murders.

NYC had no shootings for a three day weekend. It has gone much longer periods with no murders, but there has been no three day weekend with no shootings in decades.

pretty sure there were shots off the roofs and the like, kids will be kids, we are just lucky no one was gunning for anybody for a whole weekend and nobody caught a stray one.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

pretty sure there were shots off the roofs and the like, kids will be kids, we are just lucky no one was gunning for anybody for a whole weekend and nobody caught a stray one.

Well, yeah, it goes without saying that, like all crimes, these are reported shootings, not an actual count of whether any gun discharged.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Well, yeah, it goes without saying that, like all crimes, these are reported shootings, not an actual count of whether any gun discharged.

no, i brought it up because nypd has the capability of identifying where random gun shots happen, so there may well be statistics for that kind of thing. internally anyway. that's how they can monitor hot areas and rooftops before people get hurt.

[creamcityleo79]

Originally Posted by Crawford

No, it's shootings, not murders.

NYC had no shootings for a three day weekend. It has gone much longer periods with no murders, but there has been no three day weekend with no shootings in decades.

You're right...sorry, I was at work and it was shootings. I fixed it.