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As someone who lives down south I actually enjoyed watching those industrial structures taken down along Ashland, they really did gave the area a more dirty look and that was something I heard a lot from family and friends coming down south to visit me. The south side, in general, has a lot of these industrial-looking areas that I wish I saw less of. I'm hoping for more development in the south side in the future like those cool ones happening along Milwaukee and the West Loop but knowing Chicago, it's still a long way from happening.
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2021, 4:36 PM
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As someone who lives down south I actually enjoyed watching those industrial structures taken down along Ashland, they really did gave the area a more dirty look and that was something I heard a lot from family and friends coming down south to visit me. The south side, in general, has a lot of these industrial-looking areas that I wish I saw less of. I'm hoping for more development in the south side in the future like those cool ones happening along Milwaukee and the West Loop but knowing Chicago, it's still a long way from happening.
all of the "cool buildings" in the west loop that everyone loves were once active warehouses or factories, the exact same as those on the SW side. what do you think happens when those buildings get torn down either due to neglect or short-sightedness in an area not currently highly sought after? the land sits vacant and at best gets turned into a strip mall or big box store.

i dont know how to break this to you but this is not "dirty" or ugly



this however is, and is the way that intersection has now looked for the past decade



"this" has the potential to be turned into cool lofts or offices which furtner generates interest in city living and elevates Chicago as a unique place that cant easily be replicated by anywhere else. simple fact, this type and style of building will never be built again. once its lost its gone forever.



"this" has the potential at best to be turned into a Home Depot, and at worst while we wait for that to materialize it lives on as a blighted moonscape repelling people from the area. this is also the way this intersection has now looked for the better part of a decade.



is "this" ugly?



or is this?



personally i know which of those two options i find more repelling and detrimental to the human soul.

unfortunately the stars do not always align immediately to turn Picture A into the kind of "cool" experience in the west loop youre seeking. but if we tear the structures down before they ever have that opportunity to see their potential fully realized, i can guarantee you it never will turn into that kind of neighborhood.

the south side has enough vacant lots and strip malls and suburban style shopping. it dosent need more and cheering on its loss of unique architecture isnt going to lead to the sorts of changes you are seeking. people dont travel from other cities or other countries to look at our collection of Sams Clubs. or vacant lots for that matter. people DO however move to neighborhoods and revitalize them because of their historical significance and in-tact streetscapes which offer unique experiences.

careful what you wish for.

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^ Yeah, I mean I guess I don't get what that poster is talking about. All of these buildings are EXACTLY the types of building that gave the West Loop all of the character that sparked its current rebirth.

It's like he wants this area to turn into the West Loop, but he wants to totally clear out the very structures that even make that possible.

Anyhow, this area of town will never become the West Loop. With any hope, some of these buildings will be preserved and we will see it become a sleepy Bridgeport-ish area
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2021, 4:49 PM
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As someone who lives down south I actually enjoyed watching those industrial structures taken down along Ashland, they really did gave the area a more dirty look and that was something I heard a lot from family and friends coming down south to visit me. The south side, in general, has a lot of these industrial-looking areas that I wish I saw less of. I'm hoping for more development in the south side in the future like those cool ones happening along Milwaukee and the West Loop but knowing Chicago, it's still a long way from happening.
True, they were dirty but they have been left to rot. Fulton Market industrial buildings were dirty 3 years ago but now they look new again.

it's very short-sighted to knock any of these down. It'd be one thing if they were replaced with good urban development, but unfortunately all we're going to get is more of this
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this however is, and is the way that intersection has now looked for the past decade



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Just FYI, this was torn the rest of the way down in 2020
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They better not get rid of the architecture critic position. The Trib has fallen so much so I hope they don't get rid of it.
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all of the "cool buildings" in the west loop that everyone loves were once active warehouses or factories, the exact same as those on the SW side. what do you think happens when those buildings get torn down either due to neglect or short-sightedness in an area not currently highly sought after? the land sits vacant and at best gets turned into a strip mall or big box store.

i dont know how to break this to you but this is not "dirty" or ugly



this however is, and is the way that intersection has now looked for the past decade



"this" has the potential to be turned into cool lofts or offices which furtner generates interest in city living and elevates Chicago as a unique place that cant easily be replicated by anywhere else. simple fact, this type and style of building will never be built again. once its lost its gone forever.



"this" has the potential at best to be turned into a Home Depot, and at worst while we wait for that to materialize it lives on as a blighted moonscape repelling people from the area. this is also the way this intersection has now looked for the better part of a decade.



is "this" ugly?



or is this?



personally i know which of those two options i find more repelling and detrimental to the human soul.

unfortunately the stars do not always align immediately to turn Picture A into the kind of "cool" experience in the west loop youre seeking. but if we tear the structures down before they ever have that opportunity to see their potential fully realized, i can guarantee you it never will turn into that kind of neighborhood.

the south side has enough vacant lots and strip malls and suburban style shopping. it dosent need more and cheering on its loss of unique architecture isnt going to lead to the sorts of changes you are seeking. people dont travel from other cities or other countries to look at our collection of Sams Clubs. or vacant lots for that matter. people DO however move to neighborhoods and revitalize them because of their historical significance and in-tact streetscapes which offer unique experiences.

careful what you wish for.
Thanks for the examples and visuals. I know how the West Loop use to look like and I now realized I contradicted myself by saying I want to see such changes like those in the Southside but I also mentioned how I want to see them tear down such buildings (that's my bad). I'm also on board with the idea of more dense projects and pedestrian-friendly and vibrant streets in the southside and that was basically what I was trying to say with my initial post. I have been a fan of this thread for a long time since 2010 actually (I'm 21 now) and I apologize if my first post came off as rude or stupid.
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There was a virtual meeting this week to discuss changes to the streetscape on Irving Park Road between the river and almost Damen. During the meeting, Alderman Matt Martin said the reason the plan does not extend all the way to Damen is that a "significant" proposal is in the pipeline that will could drastically change the six corner intersection at Irving/Damen/Lincoln, with the parcel on the southwest corner of Damen and Irving (currently a bank and surface lot) potentially redeveloped. Since it's not an actual proposal yet, I can't find any easily accessible public information.

Anyone have inside info? I've been dreaming of this lot getting redeveloped and this intersection getting more life as a pedestrian hub for a long time!
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According to Alderman Matt Martin, the developer already has a grocery tenant lined up but will not reveal who in accordnace with an NDA. Strange, because there is a Jewel about 3 blocks north and a Trader Joe's about 3 blocks south... not to mention a Mariano's a little over a mile away.
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According to Alderman Matt Martin, the developer already has a grocery tenant lined up but will not reveal who in accordnace with an NDA. Strange, because there is a Jewel about 3 blocks north and a Trader Joe's about 3 blocks south... not to mention a Mariano's a little over a mile away.

Maybe it's an Amazon Fresh store
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is "this" ugly?



or is this?

Wow. Heartbreaking to see this.
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Hey Chicago P&C! I just moved to your city from Philly. I'll be here for a few months before going back, but I really love your city!
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Hey Chicago P&C! I just moved to your city from Philly. I'll be here for a few months before going back, but I really love your city!
Welcome! I like your SEPTA logo. Chicago is an incredible place, moved here a few years ago from south Florida, shame this summer will be marred with Covid still, Chicago summers don't even feel real normally, like a coming of age movie. Enjoy your time in our fair city!
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Maybe it's an Amazon Fresh store
Meanwhile I am waiting for a trader joe's (which there was supposed to be one many years ago on Division which now a shuttered AT&T store, thanks Nimby's) or any grocery store in the Wicker park/Ukrainian village area. the Jewel on Milwaukee is horrendous, the Marianos on Chicago is the only saving grace along with the Aldi's on Mil but both far walks with groceries.
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^^^Welcome, McGrath. The construction boom has been good to us; you'll enjoy the sights. My advice, if you like to observe construction as much as I do, is to ride a bike up and down the lakeshore bike path between North Ave and Roosevelt, and when you're at the river, ride the Chicago Riverwalk (slowly) West, down to Lake Street and then back. Be sure to stop at the Wolf Point site. There's a great perch just north of the Salesforce Tower construction site, while it's still below Level 1.
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