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Old Posted Oct 6, 2011, 5:19 PM
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Great Barker Bros shots, guys. For some reason seeing it reminds me of the big downtown building that was sectioned with its two ends moved together--or sectioned with a new piece added between the ends. I think we've covered it here before but I can't find it. Anyone know what I 'm talking about?
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2011, 5:41 PM
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Great Barker Bros shots, guys. For some reason seeing it reminds me of the big downtown building that was sectioned with its two ends moved together--or sectioned with a new piece added between the ends. I think we've covered it here before but I can't find it. Anyone know what I 'm talking about?
I do remember that GW. The subject was house/building moving and that building had something like a 10 ft slice removed from the middle and then the ends moved back together. Also as I remember, it was due to street widening?

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Old Posted Oct 6, 2011, 10:32 PM
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Found the post!!!

and it was a five foot section they removed....

[/QUOTE]OK, now I remember the story I read; it had to do with a building called the Commercial Exchange Building at 8th and Olive; this from the Larchmont Chronicle:

"In a 1925 newspaper story, Kress was said to have moved about 250 structures the previous year, earning his firm more than $1 million. The widening of Spring, Olive and Flower streets brought Kress plenty of work. He saved the 13-story Commercial Exchange Building at Eighth Street and Olive from demolition in 1935 by cutting a five-foot section from its middle and sliding the west half of the building toward the eastern half. The half he moved weighed 5,000 tons."

From the USC archive, the Commercial Exchange Building:
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Bless you for this, gsjansen.
The loss of the Lugo House is a particular grievance of mine.
I have seen your collection but noticed that you withheld a particular photo here: The destruction of the wall. The building was originally made of adobe.
The debate existed even back then when the building's fate was being decided around if the original adobe structure was enhanced by the newer 3 story building.
Your photo clearly shows terracotta bricks.

I have the same interest in the old Bella Union Hotel. It's foundation was originally adobe as well but I have a problem with the idea of adding multistorys to a building on such a foundation.
Anybody?

BTW
The survival of the Lugo House was vigorously fought in the courts and also the forum of public opinion via the press, the Chinese community and street activists and Buddhist vigils shortly before it's destruction. Much money was donated and pledged...but not enough.
You can't fight City Hall.

Ideas about it's relocation were raised but nobody stepped up with the cash.
In the end Stirling got her way. To her it was an eyesore and who would want to look at the ass-end of it while exiting Union Station?
I get that.

I'm a little disappointed that the Chinese community and also the Latin community, couldn't find way to relocate it.
I chalk that up to differences between the races.

I'm calling for a replication of it. Anywhere in L.A.



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i know we are going back in time a bit, but, whilst rummaging around through the Library of Congress's Historic American Buildings site, i stumbled upon that white house shown in E_R's post about the Dragon's Den that used to reside at 516-522 1/2 North Los angeles Street.


La Casa De Don Vicente Lugo


1936 image


Source: Library of Congress Historic American Buildings http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...s/012479pv.jpg

Architectural Drawings




Sources: Library of Congress Historic American Buildings http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...eet/00000a.gif and http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...eet/00001a.gif

1937 data sheet - note the condition of the building - "fairly well preserved" ....not bad for a then 102 year old structure


Source: Library of Congress Historic American Buildings http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...7/data/002.gif


1857 image of the house


Source: USC Digital Archives http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-1724A?v=hr

the house in 1873


Source: USC Digital Archives http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-2460?v=hr

by 1890, the 2nd floor porch became partially enclosed


Source: USC Digital Archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-2847?v=hr

In the 1890's the house became the home of Leeching Hung & Co


Source: LAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081456.jpg

in 1905 the Pekin Curio Store moved in


Source: LAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081457.jpg

the building in 1928. the building now houses the Canton Bazaar


Source: USC Digital Archives http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-36415?v=hr

a 1947 view looking north east on los angeles street past Jerry's Joynt


Source: Calisphere http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/hb629007wt/FID5

In 1950 a plan was presented to the State Park Commission for the proposed renovation of the plaza district. The Lugo House was very much a part of the design proposal


Source: USC Digital Archives http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...T-PLA-004?v=hr

unfortunately, one year later.......................................







Sources: USC Digital Archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...168-021~4?v=hr, http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...168-021~1?v=hr and http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...T-BUI-544?v=hr

1952 image looking north west across the site of the Lugo House towards the intersection of Los Angeles Street and Sunset Boulevard on the North side of the Plaza


Source: California State Library http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...NXKCBG476Q.jpg

bingmaps aerial of the site today

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Below: The EMS. -no address-
Hmmm...intriguing...why The EMS and not.....say.... The ELMS?
Anyone know what EMS stand for?


The address is 321 S. Olive Street.
It doesn't exits anymore of course.
I got the info from Brent Dickerson's (should be by now famous) "A visit to Old Los Angeles"
Scroll down a bit, about 40%, to find a colorized photo of this building.

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The EMS

Great posts fhammon!!! I have read and enjoyed Brent Dickerson's wonderful story many times. I remember hoping when he first mentioned The EMS that he might solve the mystery of the name....but no such luck.

My thought is that maybe it was built/owned by two investors with last names that started with the letter M, which in the dictionary is spelled em.

Who really knows? But it makes me feel all investigative and stuff to come up with a theory

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Old Posted Oct 7, 2011, 9:11 PM
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SierraMadre - thanks for sharing that Eaton's menu. Fascinating stuff! I wonder what the "Hangtown Fry" (simply terrific) consisted of? And those prices!

Thanks also to fhammon for the amazing Lugo House post. Don't think I'd heard of it before, and I genuinely appreciate learning about this lost piece of the city's history.
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Main Street

Great photo of the Arrow Theater where all seats were 10 cents for Spanish language films. This vantage point is looking up Main St at the back of the circa 1909 Higgins Building which is still extant at Second and Main. The building is now lofts and the basement is the home of a hugely popular night spot called The Edison. Appropriate name in that the building at one time housed the first So. Cal. Edison power plant.

I really like the Mobile Oil / Mobilgas sign!


photo credit Blog Los Angeles

The same view today and according to public records, the building far left, is the Arrow Theater building erected in 1902.


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Great posts fhammon!!! I have read and enjoyed Brent Dickerson's wonderful story many times. I remember hoping when he first mentioned The EMS that he might solve the mystery of the name....but no such luck.

My thought is that maybe it was built/owned by two investors with last names that started with the letter M, which in the dictionary is spelled em.

Who really knows? But it makes me feel all investigative and stuff to come up with a theory

~Jon Paul
Oh -- I figured that out some time ago but never updated the post I did about her years ago...the Ems was built by C. C. Emswiler in the second half of 1905. The architect was none other than Joseph Cather Newsom.

Charles Clayton Emswiler came to LA in the boom eighties and went into the apartment-house building game. He died in 1922, age 69, in the apartment house at 321 that bore his name!
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Oh -- I figured that out some time ago but never updated the post I did about her years ago...the Ems was built by C. C. Emswiler in the second half of 1905. The architect was none other than Joseph Cather Newsom.

Charles Clayton Emswiler came to LA in the boom eighties and went into the apartment-house building game. He died in 1922, age 69, in the apartment house at 321 that bore his name!

OK, so its a very good thing I became a design journalist and not an investigative journalist! Thanks Beaudry

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Old Posted Oct 7, 2011, 10:56 PM
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I wanted to say thanks very much for all the appreciations after my Calif State Bldg post -- I had a blast doing it and everybody's kind words were like so much incredible lagniappe! I still have a bunch of cool photos and discoveries from that afternoon...to be posted soon.

In the meantime, here's a snapshot from 1971:



Looking from the Macy bridge over the 101 across the gasholders into dt.

Now of course you'd be on César Chávez, and the El Monte Busway would be on your right, and that disappearing overpass disappears:

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you're all amazing, such history, so many memories of growing up in the 50's...I'll never forget the smell of the Brew 102 brewery as we went by "the interchange"...geez...I'll bet nobody calls the intersection of the 101 and the Harbor Freeway the "Interchange" anymore.
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I never knew it was called "The Interchange." I've always referred to it as "The Four-level."
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good point, speaking of which, is there two "four levels"?
Isn't the interchange of the Pomona (60) and Long Beach (710) a four level? Any others?
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Names like "The Interchange" and "The 4-Level" are very telling; that interchange was the first 4-level freeway interchange in the world when it was built, so it being referred to with those names is evidence that it was considered a big deal and one of a kind back then.

Yes, the Pomona and Long Beach Fwy interchange is indeed a 4-level interchange, as well as the 57 and 10 interchange out in the Pomona area. The 57 and 10 interchange always seemed "beautiful" to me somehow, very swooping. I haven't been out that way in a long time now, but as a kid, when my family and I would go to Vegas via the 10 to the 15, we would pass that interchange, and it looked monumental to me somehow, I think because it seemed like it was out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by nothing but vacant land. I wouldn't doubt that it's more developed around there now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s.
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I'm still astounded how high you are when traveling over them. Such is the case when I drive from the 10 west, then take the transition to the 405 south towards LAX. Thats gotta be up there about, what?...6-8 stories?
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I have always been fascinated by "then and now" photos depicting locations which have graphic visuals of what was and what is.
Now...first my apologies. These had to have been posted before. But just in case I'd like to make sure everyone has had a chance to see them (twice?) so...I know this is risky, but here goes....:




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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...4618.htmlstory

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Stunning

SierraMadre, That to me is one of the most amazing posts on this thread! I, for one, do not remember seeing those aerials before and can't quit staring at them. Simply fascinating!!!

I could go on and on but I truly want to get back to staring and comparing. Thank you so much for posting them

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Great post Sierra_Madre!

You can clearly see the Lugo House in this one.


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