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Old Posted Jan 17, 2021, 9:12 PM
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Or maybe it has nothing to do with healthcare cuts and its a simple matter of the logistics and strategy of the government? This comparison of vaccination rates at a point in time is as ludicrous as was comparison in cases at a point in time. Two months ago people on this board were berating the province governments response to wave two, someone commending Doug Ford. Would we rather be Ontario now? This criticism of the government by looking at stats for single period in time super early into vaccination period is nonsensical.
The Ford government should be criticized for their handling of the COVID crisis. They waited too long to institute greater restrictions when it was apparent long ago what they had instituted was not working. Waiting until after Christmas to enforce stricter measures was laughable.

As for the Pallister government, criticism extends beyond the vaccination rates. They had all summer to get their house in order, but still testing rates remained among the lowest of the provinces which really affected their abilities to effectively trace sources of infection. They waited too long to enforce stricter restrictions back in October when cases skyrocketed to 200+cases per day. I guess Pallister thought telling people to "smarten up" would do the trick.

Instead he waited over a month, until mid-November to enforce further restrictions in Winnipeg, when cases were pushing over 500 per day and hospitals and ICU units were inexorably heading towards severe cases beyond their capabilities without further intervention. Over two months later and we still have the same restrictions probably causing irrevocable damage to many small businesses in the province.

By taking initiative back in October with further restrictions instead of sticking his head in the stand, we would have experienced a much shorter period of business closures as we would have peaked at a much lower level and taken a significantly smaller period of time to bring hospitalizations and ICU cases down to manageable levels. We didn't do that and it's a damn shame as it has caused this province dozens (or hundreds?) of additional deaths and likely resulted in the deaths of more businesses.

There is a reason Pallister is last or second-last among premiers in approval ratings and it's primarily because of his inept handling of the pandemic.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2021, 12:42 AM
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lynn lake now has a curfew 8pm to 6am i see

and our hospital has an outbreak now ontop of things

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...BkyjqZbYuXtP98


it sure went off with a bang as i figured it would when it finally got here... only took a year
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2021, 7:05 PM
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The Ford government should be criticized for their handling of the COVID crisis. They waited too long to institute greater restrictions when it was apparent long ago what they had instituted was not working. Waiting until after Christmas to enforce stricter measures was laughable.

As for the Pallister government, criticism extends beyond the vaccination rates. They had all summer to get their house in order, but still testing rates remained among the lowest of the provinces which really affected their abilities to effectively trace sources of infection. They waited too long to enforce stricter restrictions back in October when cases skyrocketed to 200+cases per day. I guess Pallister thought telling people to "smarten up" would do the trick.

Instead he waited over a month, until mid-November to enforce further restrictions in Winnipeg, when cases were pushing over 500 per day and hospitals and ICU units were inexorably heading towards severe cases beyond their capabilities without further intervention. Over two months later and we still have the same restrictions probably causing irrevocable damage to many small businesses in the province.

By taking initiative back in October with further restrictions instead of sticking his head in the stand, we would have experienced a much shorter period of business closures as we would have peaked at a much lower level and taken a significantly smaller period of time to bring hospitalizations and ICU cases down to manageable levels. We didn't do that and it's a damn shame as it has caused this province dozens (or hundreds?) of additional deaths and likely resulted in the deaths of more businesses.

There is a reason Pallister is last or second-last among premiers in approval ratings and it's primarily because of his inept handling of the pandemic.
I think his approval has pretty much nothing to do with the actual handling of the pandemic. His approval was lowest in Canada in the spring when Manitoba was the envy of Canada. I have relatives in QC who were completely bewildered that Legault's approval was one of the best and Pallister was the worst despite the case counts in each province being polar opposites. Pallister's approval everything to do with his personality and not policy imo.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2021, 7:19 PM
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Don't forget they also made the bonehead move to open up travel to western Canada and drop the 2-week isolation period. Which made no sense and had no reasonable justification, AB had the highest case counts in the country at the time. Somehow their big brains thought it made sense to drop the quarantine for the places with the highest infection rates which of course resulted in people travelling to AB for funerals which almost single-handedly jump-started our 2nd wave. Instead of doing what was smart they prioritized their little marketing campaign getting to tell everyone things were re-opening and going back to normal and now we're 2 months into code red because conservatives are notoriously short-sighted.
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2021, 6:46 PM
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Northern region continues to drive Manitoba numbers. Over 100 cases in the north today, would be equivalent to 1000 cases in a day in Winnipeg.


Restrictions slightly lifted starting Saturday. Only difference to what was proposed earlier this week is a change from 2 people allowed over to it becoming 2 designated people allowed over. Others were 5 people allowed over for outdoor gatherings, barber shops /beauty salon opening and non-essential retail opening.
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Don't forget they also made the bonehead move to open up travel to western Canada and drop the 2-week isolation period. Which made no sense and had no reasonable justification, AB had the highest case counts in the country at the time. Somehow their big brains thought it made sense to drop the quarantine for the places with the highest infection rates which of course resulted in people travelling to AB for funerals which almost single-handedly jump-started our 2nd wave. Instead of doing what was smart they prioritized their little marketing campaign getting to tell everyone things were re-opening and going back to normal and now we're 2 months into code red because conservatives are notoriously short-sighted.
No argument with the comment above. Stupid is Ottawa still allowing international travel with the emergence of Covid variants that may be more deadly and which the current vaccines may not be as effective on.
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2021, 6:28 PM
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I love how you can apparently tell who's doing better by their political stripes now.
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Pallisters approval did dip a bit among some conservatives. Some people feel his restrictions were too tough. Specially in the southern health region. The irony is the provincial government were probably hesitant to put restrctions into place for a long time as not piss them off. There is ample evidence of this. Manitoba at one point had the most disasterous covid rates in the country. We have seen cases go down. Had the cons implemented mask rules and resctrictions earlies we probably could have avoided so many cases. Its not just the governemtns fault though, too many donkeys disregarded the safety guidelines and many continue to do so.
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