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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 8:57 AM
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. . . most people in such a scenario would feel they should wear a mask and maintain proper distance from others when in public, but basic brats will insist that everyone else must bear their light burden for them.
Exactly. If we had took a zero-tolerance approach to this pandemic rather than enable selfishness to take root we’d be well over this by now. Sadly, the same recurring minority selfish/ignorant elements within western society let down everyone and knowingly/unknowingly became enablers/collaborators to the virus.

Also, why is it that each time 10023 mentions his ”good shape”, the more I am thinking of the Aesop Fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 12:22 PM
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You and I would never come into contact in the “wild”. We wouldn’t go to any of the same places (you keep bringing up the example of grocery stores, but only because you won’t go during senior citizen hours).

If I’m going to have asymptomatic Covid but you are at risk of illness, should (a) both of us be confined to our homes with restaurants, bars, gyms and retail closed; or (b) you avoid such places while I go about my life in as normal a manner as possible?

The answer is clearly (b), and anyone who supports (a) is doing so out of either an unjustified degree of concern or spite (this is my father’s attitude - basically, “why should the young get to have fun if I can’t”). Either way, screw them.
If you're asymptomatic (test positive), you should be confined to your house for 10-14 days regardless of pedestrian's risk factor.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 1:03 PM
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I’m in great shape, everybody

I work out a lot, and I lift weights.

I watch videos of Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 70s training for Mr. Olympia and it motivates me. He had an amazing body! Covid ain’t got a chance against me and Arnold!
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I imagine homebucket is wondering if anti-vaxxers irrational fear of a Bill Gates microchip is technically plausible at all.
Wouldn't really small microchips eventually be flushed from the system anyway? A permanent chip would have to be surgically embedded, right?
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 3:19 PM
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From KTLA 5:

High blood pressure, diabetes found to be most common underlying conditions in L.A. County COVID-19 deaths

by: Erika Martin

Posted: Apr 14, 2021 / 07:59 PM PDT / Updated: Apr 14, 2021 / 08:05 PM PDT


High blood pressure and diabetes were the most common underlying conditions found among those with comorbidities who died from COVID-19 in Los Angeles County, health officials announced Wednesday.

Having an underlying condition can strongly increase the risk of death from COVID-19, and about 85% of Angelenos who died from the virus had at least one comorbidity, which is the presence of one or more additional conditions, L.A. County public health officials said in a news release.

High blood pressure was the most common, seen in 52% of deaths. Another 41% of decedents had diabetes, and 26% had a cardiovascular disease other than hypertension, officials said.

A neurologic disease was the fourth-leading preexisting condition, noted among 21% of those who died, and 16% had chronic renal disease, according to the Department of Public Health.

“People who live with chronic illnesses suffer the worst outcomes of COVID-19 infection,” the department said in a statement. “These numbers should remind us of the importance of ensuring equitable access to preventive healthcare and the other resources that reduce people’s vulnerability to this virus.”

Those with such underlying conditions became eligible for a vaccine in California on March 15, due to their higher risk of death from the virus. Click here for more information on how to find a vaccine appointment in Southern California, where everyone over age 16 is now eligible.

Chronic illness was also a leading indicator of COVID-19 hospitalization, with about 87% of those treated for the virus in L.A. County from last August to January having at least one comorbidity.

The most common preexisting condition among hospitalized patients was cardiovascular disease, including high blood pressure, observed in 66% of patients, officials said.

That was followed by diabetes, found in 42% of people hospitalized, and 36% of those who died were obese, according to the health department figures.

Another 57 coronavirus deaths were reported in L.A. County Wednesday, raising the pandemic’s toll to 23,553.

Around 500 people were battling the virus in hospitals countywide as of Wednesday, about a quarter of them in intensive care.

But health officials pointed to one encouraging figure: With more older residents becoming fully vaccinated, the rate of hospitalization for people 80 and older has dropped by 96%.

Link: https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/hi...vid-19-deaths/
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If you're asymptomatic (test positive), you should be confined to your house for 10-14 days regardless of pedestrian's risk factor.
I’ve never had a positive test (and I’ve taken a lot of them, but sporadically). I had a positive antibody test. I actually wonder if I’ve had it more than once (quite possibly caught it skiing last February, but there was no testing then).
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Exactly. If we had took a zero-tolerance approach to this pandemic rather than enable selfishness to take root we’d be well over this by now. Sadly, the same recurring minority selfish/ignorant elements within western society let down everyone and knowingly/unknowingly became enablers/collaborators to the virus.

Also, why is it that each time 10023 mentions his ”good shape”, the more I am thinking of the Aesop Fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf
The bolded part is completely and utterly false.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 8:13 PM
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The bolded part is completely and utterly false.
I think had we shutdown, I mean truly shutdown for at least a month sometime last year where everything was ground to a halt and everyone stayed home, we'd probably be in better shape. That of course would be unrealistic.
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Also, being overweight might make a person statistically more likely to have a severe case of COVID, but being healthy and in shape does not mean there is no risk of severe illness or death. Just like being overweight might make you statistically more likely to die in the event of a car accident, but that doesn't mean that car accidents don't pose a major risk to people who are in shape.
Why does everyone always claim others are saying young and healthy people CAN'T get covid and it be severe? We are simply saying they have a tiny chance. Which is true.

If overweight people are statistically more likely to get in a car wreck, that's pure happenstance in statistics. If someone is more likely to die of a virus because of being overweight, those two things are directly related.
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I think had we shutdown, I mean truly shutdown for at least a month sometime last year where everything was ground to a halt and everyone stayed home, we'd probably be in better shape. That of course would be unrealistic.
No I don’t think that’s true. It wouldn’t have eliminated the virus completely, and so long as any was circulating it would have spread again once restrictions were lifted.

It was also impossible for the US or Europe to close themselves off to the world like Australia / NZ did, nor did the same infrastructure exist for contact tracing as in say South Korea.
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