Future Canadian Skylines - Page 212

WhipperSnapper · #**4221** Posted **Oct 24, 2016, 4:19 AM**

I repeat.. office will never accomplish what residential can. The potential for a massive office boom lies with Toronto too.

isaidso · #**4222** Posted **Oct 24, 2016, 9:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by TallBob

Chicago has 140+ million sq. ft. in DT alone, (Loop, Near West, North, Streetervile an East Side). With another 3+ million sq. ft. under construction.

How many sq ft of office are there in downtown Toronto and metro Toronto? Sites that list that sort of thing all seem to require subscription fees.

WhipperSnapper · #**4223** Posted **Oct 24, 2016, 10:49 PM**

IIRC, 70 million downtown and 170 million total but, it's hardly an apples to apples comparison. We are far more conservative with the use of space and the development of new space hence the greater potential of a massive office boom down the long road.

GreaterMontréal · #**4224** Posted **Oct 24, 2016, 11:03 PM**

Montréal 48M downtown and around 90-100M total (depending on the source), 350 million square feet of industrial inventory.

caltrane74 · #**4225** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 2:20 PM**

Considering its a "second tier" city in its country it has a lot of office in the core 140 mil - to 70 mill in Downtown Toronto.

flipv · #**4226** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 2:25 PM**

Last I checked the downtown inventory is closer to 90mil sqf.

Either way, American cities are those kinds of places where developers will put up a 2mil sqf office tower in a market that has vacancy rates of over 15%.

Downtown Toronto's Class A vacancies are about 3% and we're still not seeing the biggies rise. Absorption (given the growth in supply) is just stellar. Thomson Reuters Centre.. Errrrrm sorry, Bay Park Centre, will likely be the first biggie out of the gate.

WhipperSnapper · #**4227** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 2:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Considering its a "second tier" city in its country it has a lot of office in the core 140 mil - to 70 mill in Downtown Toronto.

The United States has 330 million people. The size of a national head office reflects that.

Again, it's hardly an apples to apples comparison. We cram workers into buildings and let our vacancy rates drop to unheard of levels. The offices which I've seen in Chicago are massive and the companies had several floors under lease being unused. I don't know if it's enough to make up for a 70 million square foot difference however, Toronto would have a half dozen more major office towers if the square foot comparison was equal.

caltrane74 · #**4228** Posted **Oct 26, 2016, 12:22 PM**

Jdoh at UT was at a conference in China where One Yonge development was discussed got this picture of multi-peak skyline. Missing: ICE condo, Harbourplaza, One York.

Alegan · #**4229** Posted **Oct 26, 2016, 1:52 PM**

Wow! This could be incredible - I hope the other towers at One Yonge evolve a bit more but the tallest one could be a stunner. This is where height is needed - not for heights sake but if the GTA accepts 100,000 a year or more than we really need to start accepting such density in the right places - and this appears to be a perfect spot.

koops65 · #**4230** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 2:28 AM**

A slimmed-down Toronto, after taking the axe to a bunch of big towers:

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mistercorporate · #**4231** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 2:34 AM**

Hey Koops,

Great job! What is that multi-triangular shaped building in the bottom left of the picture?

caltrane74 · #**4232** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 2:40 AM**

Westbank-King West.

koops65 · #**4233** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 3:24 AM**

Thanks!

Yeah, the BIG mountain...

mistercorporate · #**4234** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 3:38 AM**

Thanks!

And wow, judging by those proposals, Queen Street is in desperate need of a subway line, they need to extend that DRL concept all the way West/North-West till it connects to Dundas W.

Gresto · #**4235** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 3:55 AM**

Nice work! What are the grey, banded twins, about 800 ft tall, below and to the left of Mirvish-Gehry? Looks like they might be on Wellington.

koops65 · #**4236** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 5:18 AM**

That's 400 Front St. W, with the 2 tallest towers (approx. 200 metres each) at the corner of Wellington and Blue Jays Way.

WhipperSnapper · #**4237** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 1:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Thanks!

And wow, judging by those proposals, Queen Street is in desperate need of a subway line, they need to extend that DRL concept all the way West/North-West till it connects to Dundas W.

King is a bigger priority. Both need to be buried though.

Beedok · #**4238** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

King is a bigger priority. Both need to be buried though.

Surely they're close enough to only need one line? At lest until Toronto adds a couple more million?

Gresto · #**4239** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by koops65

That's 400 Front St. W, with the 2 tallest towers (approx. 200 metres each) at the corner of Wellington and Blue Jays Way.

Ah, thanks. I don't recall that project. I remember you saying your renders are accurate virtually down to the millimetre, but to my eyes those two appear a fair bit taller than they should. Probably just illusive.

mistercorporate · #**4240** Posted **Nov 1, 2016, 9:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

King is a bigger priority. Both need to be buried though.

My understanding is that the DRL consultations recommended Queen Street? No way will we get 2 parallel subway lines on both Queen and King in the next few decades, one line on Queen is at least feasible.