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Old Posted Jan 12, 2016, 10:14 PM
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yeah, but in France do you have Davis-Bacon? Didn't think so...
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2016, 1:59 AM
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Paris tram lines are not really comparable with american streetcars, they are more segregated and have more infrastructures (every line are built from scratch because none shares infrastructures)
You should note even if the whole T3 project (line T3a and line T3b) may have a similar price, it carries 100 million passengers yearly, much more than what is estimated for the waterfront streetcar.

I find the price of 1.7 billion for a simple streetcar mixed with traffic and carrying (a bit) less passengers than the busiest bus line of New York City, a bit too expensive.
This is NYC. Get used to it.

It costs an insane amount of money to build anything. The cost of building airport terminals or bus stations is over the top too for what you end up with.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2016, 8:32 AM
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I would be for this project if it is totally separated from street traffic, otherwise i would think it a waste of money. Also it would need to link up with subway stops. Light rail is needed in NYC for obvious reasons. The subway system is very expensive to extend and there is very little money available.

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Old Posted Feb 17, 2016, 7:11 PM
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This seriously needed a thread? Just look at the members and you'll understand why this is nothing more than pipe dream.

Meanwhile the MTA is drowning deeper into debt with fare increases every other year and will run fewer trains around the clock. Will borrow again to pay for everything in the short term. GJ in bringing up this fantasy proposal.
De Blasio Stumps for His Brooklyn-Queens Streetcar Proposal

http://observer.com/2016/02/de-blasi...tcar-proposal/

Rumor is circulating that this is a brainchild of the Real Estate industry. The streetcar would open up the potential to a lot of land and greatly increase values. It's a good thing in a way in that's the way it use to be except for the public will fund this one and not the developers.
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This seriously needed a thread? Just look at the members and you'll understand why this is nothing more than pipe dream.

Meanwhile the MTA is drowning deeper into debt with fare increases every other year and will run fewer trains around the clock. Will borrow again to pay for everything in the short term. GJ in bringing up this fantasy proposal.
The project has nothing to do with the MTA. It's a mayoral initiative.

As usual, your posts couldn't be more wrong. You basically write opposite-land posts, with fantasy claims.
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2016, 10:23 AM
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Paris tram lines are not really comparable with american streetcars, they are more segregated and have more infrastructures (every line are built from scratch because none shares infrastructures)
You should note even if the whole T3 project (line T3a and line T3b) may have a similar price, it carries 100 million passengers yearly, much more than what is estimated for the waterfront streetcar.

I find the price of 1.7 billion for a simple streetcar mixed with traffic and carrying (a bit) less passengers than the busiest bus line of New York City, a bit too expensive.
this service will be built from scratch and segregated.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2016, 7:13 PM
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Brooklyn-Queens Connector: Lessons to be learned from New Jersey light rail

By Maria Alvarez Special to amNewYork February 21, 2016


Commuters who want to preview Mayor Bill de Blasio’s proposed $2.5 billion streetcar project for Brooklyn and Queens can cross the Hudson River and check out New Jersey Transit’s Hudson-Bergen Light Rail, which rides smoothly and has triggered an economic boom since it opened in 2000.


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Brooklyn Queens Connector public hearing to be held in Astoria

By Vincent Barone vin.barone@amny.com May 9, 2016

Residents along the proposed Brooklyn Queens Connector will get their first opportunity to provide public input on Monday evening.

The city invites commuters impacted by Mayor Bill de Blasio’s $2.5 billion streetcar plan to the Variety Boys and Girls Club in Astoria at 6 p.m. for the first of a series of public “visioning sessions.”





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Old Posted May 10, 2016, 4:46 PM
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residents wonder -- but why a streetcar ???


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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 4:20 PM
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an editorial today:


EDITORIAL

Streetcar plan needs to get public on board

By The Editorial Board May 17, 2016


New York City officials will take their streetcar campaign to Red Hook Thursday. They’ll have to be prepared to get everyone on board.

After a similar forum in Astoria earlier this month, some residents came away with incomplete information, unanswered questions and concerns that were not addressed. Some thought the streetcar was to be paid for with a tax increase, while others didn’t understand why the city wasn’t just adding a bus route.

Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan would create a 16-mile route down the Brooklyn and Queens waterfront, where an electric streetcar would run along tracks flush with the road. It may include as many as 30 stops, and could run every five minutes during peak times. It might not open until 2024.

Even city officials don’t have all the details yet, and we’re only at the beginning of what is bound to be a lengthy process. But if the Brooklyn Queens Connector, as the streetcar has been dubbed, is to become a reality, proper community engagement should begin now. City Hall can win its case for much-needed alternative transportation with clear, complete answers to questions, while being flexible to planning and new ideas.

City officials say the $2.5 billion streetcar will lead to increases in property values along much of the waterfront and enough new property development to, in effect, pay for itself in tax revenue. Advocates say it’s better than a new bus route, offering more capacity, a greater economic impact, and a city-created alternative that doesn’t involve state or MTA approvals. The streetcar would connect communities, especially residents of public housing, to the rest of the city — connections that are now missing.

There’s plenty we still don’t know. Advocates like Friends of the Brooklyn Queens Connector, a group that includes former MTA heads Jay Walder and Joe Lhota, fought for the concept even before the de Blasio administration took it on. They promise social media campaigns and outreach up and down the waterfront. That’s important. Without community buy-in now, the bumps in the road may be insurmountable later.


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Old Posted May 22, 2016, 9:11 PM
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red hook residents weigh in:


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BQX streetcar project: Red Hook residents weigh in on mayor’s plan

By Vincent Barone vin.barone@amny.com May 20, 2016


There’s a streetcar being planned through Red Hook and many residents would like to know why.

About 50 or so New Yorkers filtered into the Red Hook Recreation Center Thursday evening to get involved with the early development process of the Brooklyn Queens Connector, Mayor Bill de Blasio’s proposed waterfront streetcar plan to connect Astoria, Queens, to Sunset Park, Brooklyn.

Like the last meeting in Astoria, attendees were hung up on the project’s cost, $2.5 billion, and how the streetcar would be married to the existing streetscape.


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Old Posted May 25, 2016, 12:12 AM
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Brooklyn-Queens Connector: Lessons to be learned from New Jersey light rail

By Maria Alvarez Special to amNewYork February 21, 2016


Commuters who want to preview Mayor Bill de Blasio’s proposed $2.5 billion streetcar project for Brooklyn and Queens can cross the Hudson River and check out New Jersey Transit’s Hudson-Bergen Light Rail, which rides smoothly and has triggered an economic boom since it opened in 2000.


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I rode the Jersey light rail for two years, it wasn't much to write home about, and just about all the development that I have seen happen along this line was up in the downtown Jersey City area, which I would say the proximity to Manhattan and the access to the PATH had more to do with the economic boom rather than the light rail. It would have made more sense (and cost a lot more money) to expand the PATH rather than build a separate rail system.

Though with that said, I was very thankful to have light rail running all the way out to Bayonne while my wife and I were basically stuck there because riding the bus to Manhattan was much, much worse....thank you Sandy.
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Old Posted May 26, 2016, 4:32 PM
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I rode the Jersey light rail for two years, it wasn't much to write home about, and just about all the development that I have seen happen along this line was up in the downtown Jersey City area, which I would say the proximity to Manhattan and the access to the PATH had more to do with the economic boom rather than the light rail. It would have made more sense (and cost a lot more money) to expand the PATH rather than build a separate rail system.

Though with that said, I was very thankful to have light rail running all the way out to Bayonne while my wife and I were basically stuck there because riding the bus to Manhattan was much, much worse....thank you Sandy.
the jersey light service in bayonne needs to be hooked up with north shore staten island rail. then we're talkin baybee!
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2016, 4:27 PM
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this article has video of the community meeting on the link below:


Plans for NYC streetcar move ahead

POSTED 11:02 PM, MAY 9, 2016, BY GREG MOCKER, UPDATED AT 10:59PM, MAY 9, 2016

ASTORIA, Queens — It would travel about eleven miles-per-hour carrying riders between Sunset Park, Brooklyn and Astoria, Queens.

It could cost $2.5 billion dollars to build and $30 million a year to operate.

The trolley system may offer 45,000 to 50,000 daily rides.

Planners, potential riders, drivers and neighbors are looking at the numbers and being asked to consider the possibilities.

Plans to build it are purposely moving along at a slow speed.

The city's Economic Development Corporation (NYCEDC) held the first in a series of public meeting in Astoria along 21st Avenue at the Variety Boy's & Girl's Club.

Riders and neighbors were asked to take part in a "vision session" to log and address their concerns.

Questions about construction, parking and the actual route were raised. Some homeowners asked about the project's financing and the impact on their home values. Those are are tied to the amount of property taxes they pay.

As it did with Hudson Yards, the city is considering financing the $2.5 billion project with bonds that are backed by the rising property values from new development. That is not a tax increase.

Maria Torres-Springer, President and CEO of the NYCEDC, believes the project will help address the waterfront's transportation needs. She says the city will continue to work on a variety of projects, including select bus routes and funding the MTA Capital Plan.

Additional sessions are planned in the next three months along the 16-mile stretch from Astoria, Queens to Sunset Park, Brooklyn.

The EDC says it will continue to work with community boards to understand travel patterns and address the growing infrastructure and transportation needs along the corridor.

The city recently completed a new study that estimated it would serve between 45,000 to 50,000 riders.

New York City Councilmember Costa Constantinides wants to see more specifics and is hopeful the community will participate and be heard.

Planners will review the input and submit it to project engineers. The city will also be reviewing recent trolley projects in other cities.

Construction would be scheduled for 2019 or 2020 and it could take three years to construct.


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Old Posted Jun 6, 2016, 6:27 PM
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Yup, this is still a stupid idea.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2016, 7:08 PM
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no more so than hudson-bergen and better than doing nothing.

if it even happens.

i'd rather have triboro rx, but no developers or anyone important cares about that idea.
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no more so than hudson-bergen and better than doing nothing.

if it even happens.

i'd rather have triboro rx, but no developers or anyone important cares about that idea.
A shame transit planning in the region now revolves around using public dollars to increase land values for development. Redevelopment potential is but one factor of many when deciding where to place routes, but now it seems it trumps all other considerations. The Hudson-Bergen light rail line in Jersey was originally planned for Kennedy Blvd, but was moved to hug the waterfront for redevelopment. Looks like the the Brooklyn-Queens streetcar will be following the same playbook: screw you existing middle class residents, new transit lines are for developer's bottom line ($$$).
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