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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 5:14 AM
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Wright Lite......

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I found this one on Bizarre Los Angeles' Facebook page with the caption:

The "Bowl" Road, which I'm guessing led to the Hollywood Bowl, which opened around July of1922.


I know there is a "Hollywood Bowl Road" leading from Highland Ave into the Bowl, but was there ever buildings so close to the entrance on what looks like Highland?

Here's the first Bowl design by Frank Lloyd Wright's son Lloyd in 1927. Who's actual name was Frank Lloyd Wright Jr.


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Lloyd's designs were a lot like his father's work BUT......with something added and something missing.

But to be fair he was an excellent design architect and much of his work was even more flamboyant in the ''Wright Style'' than his famous father's work.


Lloyd Wright

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(March 30, 1890, Oak Park, Illinois – May 31, 1978, age 88...Santa Monica, California), commonly known as Lloyd Wright, was an American landscape architect and architect, active primarily in Los Angeles and Southern California. His name is frequently confused with that of his more famous father, Frank Lloyd Wright.

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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 5:51 AM
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I was charmed by your descriptions of your old neighborhood back in the day Lemster2024 and Slauson Slim. I found this little history of Holy Cross on the church website:
Amazing that you found these photos.!!!

Can you find any good photos of Lloyd Wright?
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 3:44 PM
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Lloyd Wright



I cannot. Thousands of his father, but not of Lloyd Wright.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 3:54 PM
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I cannot. Thousands of his father, but not of Lloyd Wright.
You're having the same trouble that I did. There must be some photos of him but where?

People have remarked that Mr. Wright Sr. was rarely ever seen with his children. They were never around, even at holiday times.

The two most important things to Mr. Wright were architecture [his ego] and his libido. Both of which he said occupied him on a daily basis. His children [7] were of interest to him....seldom, if ever.

He was married 3 times and finally found what he was looking for.... a wife who worshipped him totally.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 5:19 PM
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Generally, white on black traffic signs were used from the early 30s until the 50s and most contained reflector buttons to increase visibility at night. In the 30s, reflectors were made of glass and then changed to plastic during WWII. These signs were phased out in the early 60s when reflective sheeting was mandated for traffic signs. Hope this helps.

Thanks. Shortly after the original post I revisited what may be your wonderful site: http://caltrafficsigns.com. That post was prompted by a few faded slides from the mid '80s with white on black speed signs that I now believe were mislabeled.



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...CityLimits.jpg





Alvarado and Temple area was recently discussed on NLA.
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Signal02.jpg




http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Signal03.jpg



CBD, rest assured.
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...SafetyZone.jpg



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...st_Iron_06.JPG


http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...al_Cover01.jpg


http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Signal01.jpg



Speedway and Navy Street, Santa Monica
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/OneWay~0.jpg



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...001/Stop16.jpg



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...ignChart14.jpg



Approximately 90 miles north of LA. The last light. Was 1991 that long ago?
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Plaque82.JPG





Wig-Wag, call the plumber.
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...StormDrain.jpg






Mayor Shaw, a legacy
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/.../Tunnel126.jpg
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 6:34 PM
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Today we're moving almost directly due east from the last Julius Shulman location. Here's the South Gate-Walnut Park branch of the Bank of America at 2700 Santa Ana Street. On the left is Long's Hardware at 2708 Santa Ana Street, while on the right is a large sign for Carl's Beauty Salon at 8114 Seville Avenue. The photoset is "Job 1353: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1952".



With a little help from the 1956 CD, some of the businesses on the left are: Santa Ana Cleaners, Luckey's Barber Shop, Petersen's Dress Shop and Haskell's Pharmacy. I'm guessing that the store with the RCA Victor sign is Watson's TV & Appliances, which shows up at 8000 Seville Avenue in 1956. On the right, I think the sidewalk clock probably belonged to the R W Wilson jewelry store. Behind that is Turnbull Bros Paint Store.



Looking north, we have the Sav-Mor Market and Stevie's Liquor Store on the left. On the right, I love the look of Miles Appliances. Next to that is the Southern California Gas Company, and how could I ignore another Chop Suey sign?



All from Getty Research Institute

As soon as I dropped the Google man on the corner of Seville and Santa Ana, I knew we'd been here before. Before I get to that, these two buildings are on the left of the second Shulman photo. They're pretty much the only survivors.


GSV

The reason why there are so few survivors is the huge redevelopment of this area in the 1970s. The first two aerials below were originally posted by me in post #27078, and show the changes that took place. As a reminder, the post was part of our search for the Palm Place Loop and Serber's Foods (a picture of the latter was posted here). The first is from 1972.


Historic Aerials

And this is 1980.


Historic Aerials

It looks like the buildings east of Seville Avenue, including the bank, survived the 1970s redevelopment. To bring things up-to-date, here's a current view. The bank was on the corner just below where Rubens Bakery & Tortilleria is marked near Madrid Court.


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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 7:18 PM
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Lloyd Wright

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You're having the same trouble that I did. There must be some photos of him but where?
This doesn't help much, but here's baby Lloyd Wright. At least I think it is. FLW had three children with the middle name "Lloyd", so it's a bit hard to tell. The woman marked "Anna" in the photo is FLW's mother (apparently FLW's father divorced Anna for "lack of physical affection"):

sharonscrapbook / "The Women" by TC Boyle


Lloyd Wright's wiki page

LAT article on Lloyd Wright's West Hollywood home and studio

la.curbed on Lloyd Wright's Palos Verdes Moore House


P.S.

At last (I spent way too long on this!). Here's one of three generations of Wrights: FLW, Lloyd and little Eric Lloyd Wright:

vickielester

Eric Lloyd Wright is now 86 and continues to work as an architect. There's plenty of pix of him online. His site is here

(BTW, it was John Lloyd Wright, FLW's second-born, who invented Lincoln Logs, not Lloyd Wright, as is often stated online)

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Adding to the recent photos of traffic signs: The stop sign is the only octaganally shaped traffic sign. This was done for several reasons. One being that they are the most critical sign so they must be easily recognized, even from behind. Also if obscured by snow, they will still be recognizable.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2015, 10:34 PM
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This doesn't help much, but here's baby Lloyd Wright. At least I think it is. FLW had three children with the middle name "Lloyd", so it's a bit hard to tell. The woman marked "Anna" in the photo is FLW's mother (apparently FLW's father divorced Anna for "lack of physical affection"):

sharonscrapbook / "The Women" by TC Boyle


Lloyd Wright's wiki page

LAT article on Lloyd Wright's West Hollywood home and studio

la.curbed on Lloyd Wright's Palos Verdes Moore House


P.S.

At last. Here's one of three generations of Wrights: FLW, Lloyd and little Eric Lloyd Wright:

vickielester

Eric Lloyd Wright is now 86 and continues to work as an architect. There's plenty of pix of him online. His site is here

(BTW, it was John Lloyd Wright, FLW's second-born, who invented Lincoln Logs, not Lloyd Wright, as is often stated online)
What really helps to confuse and befuddle people is that ''Lloyd" Wright's given name is Frank Lloyd Wright Jr.!

Assuming your photo is actually ''Jr''., then it has to be very rare...I've never seen it before. [It appears to be approx. 1934 at Taliesin, Wisconsin. We can see the lovely rolling hills of the former Lloyd family farm in the background.]

Eric Wright loves the camera and has been photographed hundreds of times. He's a very public person. This is in stark contrast to his father who was very private. Of course how can it be easy if you're the son of one of the world's 4 greatest architects of all time. Wright's long shadow was cast over everyone he was in contact with, especially his family.


Here we see the Wright home in Spring Green, Wisconsin... near the center of this aerial....490 acres.

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Here is Eric Wright with his grandfather.....the beloved architect and pater familias Frank Lloyd Wright....probably in Los Angeles.

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Old Posted Sep 7, 2015, 12:14 AM
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Lloyd Wright



The photo of the three Wright generations is included on Wayfarers Chapel page too, along with a couple of others of FLW, Jr. (see below) and also here.






I've been to Wayfarers Chapel more times than I can count. My parents always took house guests there as it was relatively nearby.

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Great photo of the Arrow Theater where all seats were 10 cents for Spanish language films. This vantage point is looking up Main St at the back of the circa 1909 Higgins Building which is still extant at Second and Main. The building is now lofts and the basement is the home of a hugely popular night spot called The Edison. Appropriate name in that the building at one time housed the first So. Cal. Edison power plant.

I really like the Mobile Oil / Mobilgas sign!


photo credit Blog Los Angeles

The same view today and according to public records, the building far left, is the Arrow Theater building erected in 1902.


Google streetview

~Jon Paul

Another perspective.


Mexico Lindo, 1938
. Worth the 10¢ ? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0228625/



Main street looking north from Third Street. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/20001/rec/6


















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I think the "Uncle John's Place" building on the far left (in the quoted photo at the top of your post) was, at one time, e_r's "Penny Pleasure Palace".

Am I right?

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1921 baist

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1906 - Redondo Beach Esplanade
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics07/00023364.jpg


1912 - Redondo Beach, said to be "Moonstone Beach."
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics30/00049503.jpg




1924 -- Redondo Beach Hotel. Torn down in 1925 - for kindling. Worth noting that the Redondo was a sister to the Hotel Del Coronado, and every bit as grand. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17226
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics07/00023342.jpg




1938 - Pacific Avenue, Redondo. Another sidewalk clock
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics07/00023365.jpg






Truth in advertising?



Perfection a la 1924, a Hotel in Redondo Beach. (Mention WigWag to the desk clerk and you may get an extra towel.) Unable to determine the location of this image. Bet Charles Lindbergh would know. (see bottom of post) Source identifies this as being near the Redondo Pike. 100 North or South . . . Pacific Avenue? Catalina? Per later photos, the same environs underwent major changes by 1960.http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/1476/rec/19






El Ja Arms.









El Ja Arms. Is perfection a matter of opinion or established fact?














If you missed it, you were going to fast or it wasn't worth noticing. Spring loaded or pendulum. Either way, it wouldn't be too kind to my 26" rims.










Sam Seelig of Safeway fame. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11586 (1924 - Produce without the pesticide DDT. Would it be considered organic?)








Anyone lend me their magic wand? What I would not give to turn the clock back and spend a few minutes on this car with Pop.







More of Redondo in 1924. Companion to the above images. Source indicates this is "in" the Redondo Beach Pike.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/6597/rec/71






A lot of Hotels, but can any really say they are perfect? (Judge not, lest ye be judged?)










That Mission facade and Bell should be familiar. Remember the Esplanade from 1906?











Entertaining promenade.








Ambiance is hard to quantify. The magic seems missing.


1954 - Northern view of Pacific Avenue from Bonita Ave.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics31/00050120.jpg





It seems that by 1960, Redondo's roads were undergoing dramatic transformation.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics31/00050121.jpg


A Redondo Beach asterisk: Sometime prior to 1918, Charles Lindbergh is said to have attended Redondo Beach Union High School. He reportedly traveled several times to California with his mother, Evangeline Lodge Land Lindbergh, who was separated from his father. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh Any idea where the two resided when in the LA area? One presumes that it was in the Redondo Beach area.

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Pershing Square Redesign

Latest la.curbed articles on the Pershing Square Redesign Competition:

Competition to Redesign Downtown LA's Hated Pershing Square Launches Tomorrow

Here's the Timeline For the Big Redesign of LA's Oldest and Most Hated Park


The winning entry in the 1987 redesign competition (it, of course, never got built):

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Charles Lindbergh: Redondo Beach

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A Redondo Beach asterisk: Sometime prior to 1918, Charles Lindbergh is said to have attended Redondo Beach Union High School. He reportedly traveled several times to California with his mother, Evangeline Lodge Land Lindbergh, who was separated from his father. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh Any idea where the two resided when in the LA area? One presumes that it was in the Redondo Beach area.
"Mother and son took a cottage at Redondo Beach and Charles was enrolled in high school there." - "Lindberg: a biography" by Leonard Mosely (google books)

This was the winter of 1916-1917 (Lindbergh turned 15 in Feb 1917). Sorry, no address. (I'll keep looking)

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More Traffic Signs

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Thanks. Shortly after the original post I revisited what may be your wonderful site: http://caltrafficsigns.com. That post was prompted by a few faded slides from the mid '80s with white on black speed signs that I now believe were mislabeled.



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...CityLimits.jpg




Alvarado and Temple area was recently discussed on NLA.
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Signal02.jpg




http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Signal03.jpg



CBD, rest assured.
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...SafetyZone.jpg



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...st_Iron_06.JPG


http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...al_Cover01.jpg


http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Signal01.jpg



Speedway and Navy Street, Santa Monica
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/OneWay~0.jpg



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...001/Stop16.jpg



http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...ignChart14.jpg



Approximately 90 miles north of LA. The last light. Was 1991 that long ago?
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...1/Plaque82.JPG





Wig-Wag, call the plumber.
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/...StormDrain.jpg






Mayor Shaw, a legacy
http://caltrafficsigns.com/pictures/.../Tunnel126.jpg
Here is a few more (3 pages) of So. Cal. Auto Club signs for you.

http://www.acsc-signs.blogspot.com/s...&max-results=7

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Perfection a la 1924, a Hotel in Redondo Beach. (Mention WigWag to the desk clerk and you may get an extra towel.) Unable to determine the location of this image. Bet Charles Lindbergh would know. (see bottom of post) Source identifies this as being near the Redondo Pike. 100 North or South . . . Pacific Avenue? Catalina? Per later photos, the streets went through major changes by 1960.http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/1476/rec/19

El Ja Arms.




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It seems that by 1960, Redondo's roads were undergoing dramatic transformation.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics31/00050121.jpg
According to an article at dailybreeze.com, the El Ja Arms was "near the corner of Diamond Street and Pacific Avenue". This is backed up by a couple of other sources I found.

Based on the article, the El Ja Arms was built by Louis J. Baumbeck for $50,000, and opened on July 4, 1915. It had 24 apartments, 20 sleeping rooms and, by the early-40s, an upstairs dance hall. The hotel also had its own restaurant called the Sea Gull. I've found a few references to the El Ja Arms' celebrity clientele - the Daily Breeze lists Charlie Chaplin, Ramon Navarro, Douglas Fairbanks Jr and Roy Rogers.

The El Ja Arms is actually shown on the left of the 1960 image posted by Tourmaline (in the quote above). It had lost some of its grandeur over the years, and was eventually demolished in May 1970 as part of a massive redevelopment in Redondo Beach. Condos called The Village at Redondo Beach now stand on the site. Here's a better view of the El Ja Arms taken just months before it was torn down (a smaller version is in the Daily Breeze article).


easyreadernews.com

For a comparison, here's the area in 1963. Following the routes of Diamond Street and Pacific Avenue, I've arrowed where I think the El Ja Arms must have been.


Historic Aerials

Diamond Street and Pacific Avenue no longer meet. I can't even get a GSV image from the location, so I've left the arrow in the same place.


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I remember that "Last Light" stretch well. There were four traffic stops and in the 60s that stretch was always crowded with hitchhikers, especially around SB's landmark giant Mission Fig tree. The hitchhiking stretch ended at Butts Buick at the northbound end. The little park around the fig was like a perpetual hippie party, with people playing guitars, smoking dope and generally doing the 60s thing. All of them were headed north to San Francisco or heading back from there to homes in the south. There was an old lady always there passing out religious tracts, all part of the local color. Because of the lights, it was the only spot on 101 to hitchhike legally for hundreds of miles. Years ago I found the old fig, now out of sight of the freeway, still intact but looking lonely. I wonder if it remembers its glory days when it sheltered a raucous, joyful crowd of young people living the California dream.
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This branch of Bank of America was on the corner of York Boulevard and N Figueroa Street. The Julius Shulman photoset is "Job 1266: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1952".



The bank as seen from York Boulevard. On the right is a Century gas station and a Better Food Market.



A longer view from N Figueroa.



All from Getty Research Institute

After a few recent disappointments, I'm pleased to say that the bank building is still standing, still a bank (although not BoA), and still looking pretty good. Sadly, the gas station and Better Food Market are now a parking lot.


GSV

Looking back at the historic GSV images, I also like the previous color scheme with the red highlights.


GSV

I think these are the same buildings that appear in the third Shulman photo.


GSV

I was just about the call it a day when I spotted an inscription over the doorway farthest from the main entrance. It names it as the Arroyo Seco Bank Building. The inscription is repeated over the door at the other end of the building.


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According to an article at dailybreeze.com, the El Ja Arms was "near the corner of Diamond Street and Pacific Avenue". This is backed up by a couple of other sources I found.


Thank you HossC for the El Ja info. Given its reputation for notable clientele, maybe the El Ja was perfect. I included the 1960 image because it struck me as familiar - but neglected to mention this after spending considerable time looking for a larger or better image. I did not see any CD listings, but this is probably understandable, since I do not believe the available docs cover that area.


Thanks to Tovangar2, too. I was unaware of Lindbergh's Redondo connection and merely assumed he visited the area for various business trips and well publicized promotional tours. For all we know, when the Biltmore was undergoing renovations and the Athletic or other Clubs were fully booked, he later bunked with other LA connected aviators, e.g., Doolittle, Rickenbacker, and Pancho Barnes!
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