Los Angeles and Its Booming Creative Class Lures New Yorkers

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by pico44

I love California and I love LA but I'm sorry, when it comes to fashion, New York dominates the US in every imaginable way. I doubt many Angelinos would dare to argue that. Food is another story for sure, but through its sheer size and eagerness to absorb trends--it is nearly impossible to separate New York from any American culinary innovation over the last 200 years. I'll grant that the farm-to-table movement--now so ubiquitous throughout the country--is more California than New York, although some of the highest priests of the locavore church are New Yorkers. Additionally, New York is on any short list of the greatest cities in world history for just about any artform. Visual art, theater, literature, dance, New York is the peer of any. In music, it is probably the greatest city in history. So LA has a long long long way to go to challenge New York in the firmament of cultural powerhouses. But for right now, LA is definitely punching with New York in regards to just about everything. So I agree with the article. New York still has plenty of amazing creative people, but this place is absolutely teeming with douchebags and I'm a little worried that the interesting people seem so willing to leave. All the tools wandering around are the reason my friends and I call this place New York Sissy.

You know why everyone wears jeans, t-shirts and sunglasses? Yeah. Los Angeles. Los Angeles has been setting the North American way of dressing from the end of World War II. That legacy may be fading but you cannot discount what Los Angeles has done and how relatively little New York has had an effect on fashion on the American public.

[Leo the Dog]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

You know why everyone wears jeans, t-shirts and sunglasses? Yeah. Los Angeles. Los Angeles has been setting the North American way of dressing from the end of World War II. That legacy may be fading but you cannot discount what Los Angeles has done and how relatively little New York has had an effect on fashion on the American public.

"Only Cowboys wear jeans"...oh wait, you're right.

Didn't SoCal skateboarders start the trend of really long shorts too in the late 80s? Then came the ultra skinny jeans in the mid 2000s?

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

"Only Cowboys wear jeans"...oh wait, you're right.

Didn't SoCal skateboarders start the trend of really long shorts too in the late 80s? Then came the ultra skinny jeans in the mid 2000s?

Going to be honest, I don't follow fashion trends that closely.

[hauntedheadnc]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

I hate it when a NYer moves here and then complains that it's not like NY. Gee, isn't that the point!?

Wait until they retire. Here, we get to hear about how they did things in Florida and New York.

[ocman]

Originally Posted by mhays

It wasn't surprising to look over and see that you live in Paris.

Fine dining has historically had a ton of French influence, but your statement was way too broad, unless you define things backward, like "it's not fine dining unless it's French."

Today French influence is much less important in fine dining. All sort of creative, fusion, Asian, etc. approaches are prevailing, often without a lot of French influence, though it might still be the #1 influence on average.

I don't think my statement was broad at all, . The french influence is so prevalent in American fine dining even if the ingredients aren't. I'm not talking about your parents' anniversary steak dining, but Michelin level places that change the conversation. With cuisines adopted from third world countries in the US, few are taken seriously at the French Laundry level in this country until a chef employs a french technique approach to their cuisine. Example: David Chang and Momofuku Ko in NYC.

[YSL]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

You know why everyone wears jeans, t-shirts and sunglasses? Yeah. Los Angeles. Los Angeles has been setting the North American way of dressing from the end of World War II. That legacy may be fading but you cannot discount what Los Angeles has done and how relatively little New York has had an effect on fashion on the American public.

Most people in NYC are jeans and t shirt wearers. Texans started the jeans trend but no one considers Texas the fashion capital. For all purposes considered, NYC (and Paris) are the fashion capitals of the world and start the fashion trends that trickle down to mid-America. From the creative directors who design said t shirt and jean, to the advertising executives who splash it all over the NYC based media (print, commercials) run by the fashion elite who by and large live in NYC.

With that said, any positive press LA gets is fine by me these days. If only these creatives were white collar yuppies who seem to still shun LA for NYC and SF. LA has more than enough creatives and baristas painting on the side. Time for a well needed expansion of the tax base.

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by YSL

From the creative directors who design said t shirt and jean, to the advertising executives who splash it all over the NYC based media (print, commercials) run by the fashion elite who by and large live in NYC.

With that said, any positive press LA gets is fine by me these days. If only these creatives were white collar yuppies who seem to still shun LA for NYC and SF. LA has more than enough creatives and baristas painting on the side. Time for a well needed expansion of the tax base.

The NYT piece focuses on the more freelance, bohemian creative types… because that was the intended purpose all along. That NYC is becoming dominated more and more by corporate and uppity Nina Garcia and Olivia Palermo types is something that should appeal to you.

And the article spotlights a couple that purportedly owns a home in Los Feliz. It's highly doubtful that they're struggling to make ends meet.

[DJM19]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

You know why everyone wears jeans, t-shirts and sunglasses? Yeah. Los Angeles. Los Angeles has been setting the North American way of dressing from the end of World War II. That legacy may be fading but you cannot discount what Los Angeles has done and how relatively little New York has had an effect on fashion on the American public.

A lot of street wear in general became popular in southern California

[dc_denizen]

New York can't really claim any of the locavore/organic/craft beer/etc scene, at all. These things originated in middle America, for the most part.

[montréaliste]

Originally Posted by brian_b

I see a lot more "Empire Gold" license plates around here than I would expect, and I was just wondering, how do I know if they are creative?

The creative ones have that funky barbed wire frame around their license plates.

[montréaliste]

New York is to Los Angeles what Los Angeles is to New York; antithetical sympathizers.

Be mindful how not so long ago, a glass of wine in a coffee cup was more than OK, in N.Y. or L.A. and the rest of Norfamerica. Look up Alexis Lichine Wines on Youtube and witness the finest pouring shots you will ever see. Vintage vintage porn.

[Larry King]

Have fun wasting away in traffic

[chris08876]

People from LA are really nice. Anytime I've talked to somebody from LA or really California, they are so damn nice. Its almost like they can be your friend for life. Definitely more outgoing. New Yorkers though its almost like a cautious friendliness. I do want to move to that state. Its really the only state I would move too. Arguably the coolest state. NY state is only good because of NYC (IMO), but you'll find upstate NY starts to resemble the rest of the nation. Stale, whereas California is just unique in its culture and topography. Its the Europe of America.

Originally Posted by Larry King

Have fun wasting away in traffic

I'd trade a little time for that lovely SoCal weather. (As you can tell, I like California)

[mrnyc]

the back and forth movement of people between the two cities has gone on as long as there has been a city of los angeles. that boat isn't rocked just because some young person writes an article.

[599GTO]

I didn't mind the traffic in Los Angeles. I actually like driving and rarely even use the subway in New York. I mostly walk or uber, but still have a car in New York.

I simply prefer the city backdrop, the architecture, the urban layout and the walkability and street life New York provides. The style, shopping, theater, the pulse, the museums, the 'city that never sleeps' thing and food. Beverly Hills was walkable but there was nowhere to walk to. I prefer waking up and opening my window to the towering skyscrapers and people walking about, buildings versus the hills.

New York will always be my home base, but I were in the market for a second residence in the states I would pick Los Angeles without hesitation. It's a great city and my life there was pretty nice.

[brickell]

Make up your mind, @nytimes pic.twitter.com/eE8QFBnUc1— Alex Wagner (@alexwagner) May 3, 2015

[MolsonExport]

The drawing on the left looks like something culled out of "The Watchtower"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Watchtower

[pdxtex]

Originally Posted by Hamilton

Good riddance. I can only hope that all the "in-the-know New Yorkers" who are into overpriced pretentious marketing fads like organic, artisanal, etc ..........

heh, foodies crack me up too....artisinal? oh you mean old fashioned?? organic you should get behind though. people dont have food allergies, they have pesticide allergies. if we started calling pesticides what they really are, neurotoxins, i think the greater populous would freak the fuck out. but yeah, a ten dollar cup of coffee is stupid....

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by pdxtex

heh, foodies crack me up too....artisinal? oh you mean old fashioned?? organic you should get behind though. people dont have food allergies, they have pesticide allergies. if we started calling pesticides what they really are, neurotoxins, i think the greater populous would freak the fuck out. but yeah, a ten dollar cup of coffee is stupid....

You should see the price for orange juice at some of these hipster places. $5 for organic 4 oz orange juice. You take one sip and its gone.

The foodies though all look unhealthy and fragile. I feel sorry for them. They are all so pale and anemic in their composition. One can be healthy, yet have a body that looks strong and not like a POW prison.

Worst drink I've ever had is at Starbucks and its that flavorless, no sugar tea. I'm a big fan of tea (order all mine from the EU in bulk), but that starbucks tea is terrible. Even with sugar it just tastes like cottonmouth. So dry in its texture.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by chris08876

You should see the price for orange juice at some of these hipster places. $5 for organic 4 oz orange juice. You take one sip and its gone.

The foodies though all look unhealthy and fragile. I feel sorry for them. They are all so pale and anemic in their composition. One can be healthy, yet have a body that looks strong and not like a POW prison.

Worst drink I've ever had is at Starbucks and its that flavorless, no sugar tea. I'm a big fan of tea (order all mine from the EU in bulk), but that starbucks tea is terrible. Even with sugar it just tastes like cottonmouth. So dry in its texture.

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but if you like tea (im a huge tea guy as well lol) drink Persian Tea... Try Royal Persian Earl Grey... Might be the best tea out there. Ahmad and Sadaf are very good too.