City Murder Rates

[uaarkson]

What? The crime situation in Detroit is identical to Chicago. Gangs and drugs.

[LMich]

It's actually hasn't been. Detroit's "gangs" have been far more diffuse, and it's why they are most often described as cliques. What I disagree with is that this has made it easier to manage the crime; in fact, it's quite the opposite.

Either way, the unemployment rate of the metro also doesn't have much to do with crime; there's never been any correlation. Something else is seemingly happening on the ground that's probably too early to pick up at the moment. The drop in homicides is far too big and has happened in far to quick a time frame to ascribe it to the typical factors. Might end up being a blip. Who knows?

Anyway, by the same time period last year Detroit had recorded 139 criminal homcides, so I'm still not sure the 69 number for this year is right.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by MayorOfChicago

Detroit has the second lowest unemployment rate of any large metro in the country right now at 3.6%. It has billions in development downtown and the economy is looking up, I would think that should help crime rates a bit.

I don't think crime in Detroit is closely tied to economics. Detroit was by some measures the richest city in the country in the 60's and had soaring, sky-high crime. Now it's one of the poorest and crime is plummeting.

Unemployment rates are by metro, not city. No one thinks the metro area is dangerous. And downtown development has nothing to do with the warzone areas.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Crawford

And downtown development has nothing to do with the warzone areas.

seriously.

just look at chicago. ridiculous amount of downtown development right now, but the ghettos keep getting more dangerous as they continue to empty out.

[Qubert]

Originally Posted by lextown

Its extremely high compared to years before 2 years ago. Baltimore is at 167 right now at the pace they are going they will break record that they just made 2 years ago.
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/po...ll&article=all

New Orleans LA is at 92. http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...s_murders.html up from 66 last year.

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What's also disturbing about that Baltimore map is how no area of the city is seemingly spared. The North side seems better off, but the NE is now declining like the NW. Unlike Chicago which has areas of stability even on the South side.

[samne]

I think in Detroit's case theres a real positive energy and outlook in the city right now. People see things moving in the right direction and are motivated to keep it going. They see opportunities which may not have been there before.

Don't know how else to describe it but much of the average day to day inner city people in Detroit just looked happy.

[lextown]

http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index....n_violenc.html

Mobile AL is at 19.

North Charleston is at 23. Up from last year.

Shreveport LA has 138% increase last year and this year they will probably rise again from last year with 27 homicides already.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...463837158&z=10

[toddguy]

Columbus is at 66.

[ssiguy]

Can I make a subtle suggestion...............when putting up the murder stats could we also put about a quick population so we can get a better understanding of the rate for the city? I think it would greatly help give us a better understanding and make comparisons with other cities. Thanks.

[balletomane]

I believe Canada's stats for urban areas over 500,000 are:
1. Edmonton 26 homicides (2.8/100,000) pop. 933,000
2. Winnipeg 12 homicides (1.7/100,000) pop. 705,000
3. Quebec City 9 homicides (1.7/100,000) pop. 532,000
4. Vancouver 10 homicides (1.6/100,000) pop. 631,000
5. Hamilton 5 homicides (0.9/100,000) pop. 537,000
6. Calgary 10 homicides (0.8/100,000) pop. 1,239,000
7. Toronto 22 homicides (0.8/100,000) pop. 2,732,000
8. Montreal 11 homicides (0.6/100,000) pop. 1,705,000
9. Ottawa 6 homicides (0.6/100,000) pop. 934,000

[The North One]

Two things happened in Detroit recently:

1.) Unemployment has been on a dramatic decline, it's been cut in half for the second year in a row (talking about the city proper, not the metro area).

2.) The new LED streetlights erected in every part of the city help discourage criminal activity.

Of course, like everything, there are a plethora of nuances that contribute as well.

[lextown]

Originally Posted by The North One

Two things happened in Detroit recently:

1.) Unemployment has been on a dramatic decline, it's been cut in half for the second year in a row (talking about the city proper, not the metro are).

2.) The new LED streetlights erected in every part of the city help discourage criminal activity.

Of course, like everything, there are a plethora of nuances that contribute as well.

People from Detroit have definitely not helped with crime in my state of Kentucky.

We've had a lot of shootings and killings directly linked to people from Detroit which is expected I guess when they are bringing a high percentage of drugs to the state.

[The North One]

Good for you?

[dc_denizen]

I believe Canada's stats for urban areas over 500,000 are:
1. Edmonton 26 homicides (2.8/100,000) pop. 933,000
2. Winnipeg 12 homicides (1.7/100,000) pop. 705,000
3. Quebec City 9 homicides (1.7/100,000) pop. 532,000
4. Vancouver 10 homicides (1.6/100,000) pop. 631,000
5. Hamilton 5 homicides (0.9/100,000) pop. 537,000
6. Calgary 10 homicides (0.8/100,000) pop. 1,239,000
7. Toronto 22 homicides (0.8/100,000) pop. 2,732,000
8. Montreal 11 homicides (0.6/100,000) pop. 1,705,000
9. Ottawa 6 homicides (0.6/100,000) pop. 934,000

New York City is at 86 murders YTD, or roughly 1.0/100k. This makes New York safer than Vancouver, Quebec City, Edmonton and Winnpeg, and closing in on Toronto! And this, despite having a massive hispanic and African American population which in most other US cities equates to big homicide stats.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...en-us-city.pdf

pretty amazing.

[mind field]

Originally Posted by LMich

While violent crime and homicides have been in general decline in Detroit for a few decades, either the city data portal is grossly behind, or Detroit's going to have a unsually low year. If the numbers are right, Detroit has had 69 criminal homicides as of June 24th. We'd be looking at 120-130 on the year when the city usually averages around 300, so something must be wrong with the numbers. But the post back on May 1 was also showing historically low numbers, so maybe things really have slowed down out of nowhere. Either way, it does appear to be a significant decline even if they are off a dozen.

This is remarkable for historically violent Detroit. If this pace keeps up, Detroit will have a historic low annual rate that should be touted as another sign of Detroit's dramatic revival. Hopefully they aren't hiding the data.

[tech12]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

New York City is at 86 murders YTD, or roughly 1.0/100k. This makes New York safer than Vancouver, Quebec City, Edmonton and Winnpeg, and closing in on Toronto! And this, despite having a massive hispanic and African American population which in most other US cities equates to big homicide stats.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...en-us-city.pdf

pretty amazing.

Look closer at the source you posted. Those NYC stats are from May. As of 6/25/17, NYC had 121 murders.

source: https://compstat.nypdonline.org/2e5c...e7c75c/view/89

Still a slightly lower rate than those canadian cities, at this point...but i think it's disingenuous to say that the massive beast that is NYC, is "safer" than those cities, especially when you're basing that claim only off of a single half-year of homicide data.

Compare it on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis and i would bet several of my limbs that NYC has areas that are more dangerous than anything you would find in a canadian city. Like, do you really think the depths of the roughest projects in NYC are going to be safer than the roughest part of Quebec city? lol...

edit: as for the comparison with Toronto, where you claim that NYC is almost safer than it: You know how many shooting victims NYC has had so far this year? 406, as of 6/25 (and 503 at that point in 2016). So let's assume that it'll have roughly 700-800 shooting victims by the end of the year. You know how long it takes Toronto to stack up that many shooting victims? 5 years, at least (it's had 682 shooting victims between 2013 and 6/20/2017). Canadian cities just don't have the same level of violence/danger as american cities, with a few exceptions (and i'm pretty sure NYC is not one of those exceptions, despite what the current murder rate is).

[balletomane]

Just for reference the year end totals for those Canadian cities in 2016 were:

1. Edmonton 41 homicides (4.4/100,000)
2. Winnipeg 25 homicides (3.5/100,000)
3. Ottawa 24 homicides (2.6/100,000)
4. Toronto 69 homicides (2.5/100,000)
5. Calgary 28 homicides (2.3/100,000)
6. Hamilton 12 homicides (2.2/100,000)
7. Vancouver 12 homicides (1.9/100,000)
8. Montreal 23 homicides (1.3/100,000)
9. Quebec City 1 homicide (0.2/100,000)

In terms of the discussion of American vs. Canadian city crime stats, the only cities that might be comparable to some degree are Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina and Thunder Bay. These cities tend to have an issue with gang violence that tend to effect most the Aboriginal populations. Its also worth noting that these are the only Canadian cities with urban Aboriginal populations of 10% or more, thus these issues effect a larger proportion of the population, and it becomes more noticeable.

In Winnipeg, most violent crime is concentrated in the north central neighborhoods where there are majority Aboriginal populations (like the Riversdale area in Saskatoon, North Central Regina and many areas of Thunder Bay). Some of these neighborhoods could compare to some of the worst in the US, but there are many neighborhoods across the city that don't even record a single robbery annually.

This link shows the concentration of homicides in the city:
http://globalnews.ca/news/2669539/ti...nipeg-in-2016/

[NorthernDancer]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

New York City is at 86 murders YTD

No it's not. More disinformation from you.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

New York City is at 86 murders YTD, or roughly 1.0/100k. This makes New York safer than Vancouver, Quebec City, Edmonton and Winnpeg, and closing in on Toronto! And this, despite having a massive hispanic and African American population which in most other US cities equates to big homicide stats.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...en-us-city.pdf

pretty amazing.

That is incorrect, nyc is at 121 as of yesterday

[NorthernDancer]

Furthermore, if you look at the full-years numbers, there is no Canadian city that has a consistently higher murder rate the NYC.