noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by "odinthor'

notion with the idea of 'clever invention'."

-yep, still confused.



Notions at Coulter's, Wilshire District [1948]



https://miraclemilela.com/the-miracl...nt-circa-1948/

Coulter’s fabric and sewing notions department. Talon brand zippers are arranged in a display case with skeins of yarn displayed in the background. (eBay)

hmmm....skeins of yarn?
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Skein: "Yarn or thread that is lightly twisted into a coil, or a flock of wild birds flying."

http://www.yourdictionary.com/skein#7eIvXFXZWOdZRSTu.99

[HossC]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

LOL, that's one that confused me for a minute when I moved to London. Divided by a common language, etc, etc.

That's because the USA and UK are separated by a notion - the Atlantic .

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

"Before the kitsch"...http://losangeleshistory.blogspot.co...ease-also.html

from GW's site

.http://losangeleshistory.blogspot.co...ease-also.html

Originally Posted by "ethereal_reality'

I believe the long row of trees at far right is the property line....................................................................................

I just found another early photograph that I believe shows the property line (on the opposite side of the cemetery this time)

"1918 photo depicting the newly built Best Family private outdoor mausoleum, one of the first of its kind constructed in what is now commonly referred to by
us grave hunters as The Old Section."

"A Soldier of the Civil War" is engraved over the doorway.


http://lisaburks.typepad.com/.a/6a00...f2f006f970b-pi

note the straight line of trees and utility poles.....that's what I believe is the property line


I've been looking for a map that show the early boundaries of the old Tropico Cemetery, known by 'grave hunters' as the Old Section.

It would be fun to overlay it onto the current size of the Park. (that's beyond my computer abilities), but I know someone here would help me.
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[HossC]

A more recent picture of the Best mausoleum.


panoramio.com

[ethereal_reality]

I wonder how many people are interred in this mausoleum besides the Civil War soldier.

Is there a way to find out?...does Forest Lawn have a detailed list somewhere online?

[Beaudry]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Are we looking at both walls a second later in KMD? The one on the right has the color change and the smooth(ish) finish. We also, on the north have a set of steps w/ the needed landings, so the leads can face each other after going part way up:

youtube


I wish AF wasn't so damn murky, because we never see the steps they start to climb, before stopping at a landing:

youtube


Also, this is supposed to be the view of Angels Flight, from the leads POV after they exit the car in AF:

youtube

Ha! So if I'd just watched KMD another few seconds, I might have figured it out. I need to be more thorough, or at least patient. I also didn't watch AF long enough to see them walk up the long flight of steps with the window to their left, which sells it as the utility steps along the Astoria, hell, he even talks about "that first landing" and there's three landings in the Astoria along the steps. Soooo you're absolutely correct, they park just that side of the utility stairs between the Sunshine and the Astoria.

As in, where the "C" is in Clay, basically:



And then go to that first landing (the "T" in Hotel).

So then I thought to consult Indestructible Man, check it out here (this is the version on YT with the highest resolution) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt7eedQCDQY and for our interests visit 40:24-44:15 (and don't forget 44:56-48:56 for a bunch of goings-on in the Bradbury Bldg).

Anyhow, here's Marian Carr checking out the guy Lon Chaney Jr just tossed down the steps from the top landing, near Olive (the final "a" in Astoria). There's that two-tone paint job and smooth finish, as distinct from the exposed block on the other side. (Though I'm guessing that's actually also cement, with the block "carved in.")



Here's Chaney going at it—



And a reverse shot that looks down to Clay, in the distance, the back of the Belmont, which fronts Hill. So Chaney grabs and raises the guy over his head at the first landing, but then throws him from down near the second landing. Nice piece of continuity error that no-one noticed (and fewer would care about, perhaps) but I love it anyway.



As long as we're on the subject (insert dead-horse-beating gif here), a shot from Chicago Calling—

This and lots of related shots from CC about halfway down the page here

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

I'm guessing that's actually also cement, with the block "carved in."

It never occurred to me it was cement with lines carved to resemble blocks.Thanks Beaudry.

I was looking at the 'Chicago Calling' screen-grabs last night.

Here's one I especially liked.


http://www.electricearl.com/bh/ChicagoCalling-12.html

I should know, but I don't. Where are we looking here......north toward Temple street?

I would have guessed this was later than 1951. (the year of 'Chicago Calling')

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[ethereal_reality]

Real life criminal.

"Andray Thompson, Los Angeles Robber, 1939"


ebay

Wanted for questioning in the San Francisco area in connection with the shooting of two Folsom convicts.
Thompson was with the two slain convicts when they escaped. 11/2/39

[ethereal_reality]

Spy Ring, Los Angeles 1939

Natasha Gorin


ebay

"Mrs. Natasha Gorin, beautiful wife of Mikhail Gorin, Soviet Russia Travel Bureau Official already under indictment,
was herself indicted late today by the Federal Grand Jury in connection with a reputed plot to steal confidential records
of the U.S. Naval Intelligence."

Los Angeles 1/11/39


reverse

[rick m]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

It never occurred to me it was cement with lines carved to resemble blocks.Thanks Beaudry.

I was looking at the 'Chicago Calling' screen-grabs last night.

Here's one I especially liked.


http://www.electricearl.com/bh/ChicagoCalling-12.html

I should know, but I don't. Where are we looking here......north toward Temple street?

I would have guessed this was later than 1951. (the year of 'Chicago Calling')

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This scene shot on porch of the lad's home at 242 No. Hope ---

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

(insert dead-horse-beating gif here)

Nah, not yet.

"My Gun is Quick" (1957) - youtube










Huh. No mortar between those "blocks":


Involuntary defenestration victim. Do you suppose anyone actually ever got murdered on those stairs?


OK, I'm done.


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[ethereal_reality]

t2, I tried to find some actual murders that occurred on Clay Street, but didn't find any (yet )




Remember our discussion several weeks ago about quickie weddings at Yuma Ariz?

Meet Harry Toy





"Love or no love, participants must be of age must be of age before they marry. So was the case of Harold Toy, 21, pictured here,
jailed in Los Angeles today on charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, for marrying Virginia Shirley, 12."
"They eloped to Yuma, Arizona." 4/14/37
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I'm still letting it sink in....Virginia was only 12!!!!
Can you imagine if you were her parents?



reverse

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

t2, I tried to find some actual murders that occurred on Clay Street, but didn't find any (yet )




Remember our discussion several weeks ago about quickie weddings at Yuma Ariz?

Meet Harry Toy





"Love or no love, participants must be of age must be of age before they marry. So was the case of Harold Toy, 21, pictured here,
jailed in Los Angeles today on charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, for marrying Virginia Shirley, 12."
"They eloped to Yuma, Arizona." 4/14/37
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I'm still letting it sink in....Virginia was only 12!!!!
Can you imagine if you were her parents?



reverse

The love-birds.....Virginia and Harold.

ebay

[tovangar2]

One can get married at 13 in New Hampshire, 14 in New York, North Carolina and Alaska. Some states require parental/court consent. Bunch more states (including Indiana) it's 15.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

t2, I tried to find some actual murders that occurred on Clay Street, but didn't find any (yet )

I'm still looking too.



In the meantime....

It doesn't say exactly where this incident occurred, but the victim lived in the Patterson Hotel




Los Angeles Herald, Number 305, 22 September 1913

LOL. "Desperate Desmond" was a very topical reference.


And here's something I didn't recall, although it has come up before in a Flyingwedge post:


Los Angeles Herald, Volume 19, Number 112, 30 June 1883


The name change was requested by vintner JW Packer. In 1905 Mr Packer's wife died, he lost all his money to swindlers and was taken to the insane ward at County Hospital.

There's a lesson in there somewhere.






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[MichaelRyerson]

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts

looks like one of the pensioners on Clay Street..............................

Here's another long-gone piece of the era. He's holding a hand-carved Mexican cane. They were painted in the Mexican national colors of red, white and green and you could buy them in any souvenir or junk shop in the Southwest from Texas to CA. I like to think he bought his in some joint on Olvera Street.

This elderly gentleman looks very much like British-born actor Henry Travers (Mrs. Miniver, It's a Wonderful Life) and appears to be about the right age. I wonder if he was an honorary Iowan in 1951. Although from the USC archival info for the image it seems his name may have been M.F. McMahon (82 years) and just a look-alike.

[BifRayRock]

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

It doesn't get much more MidCentury Los Angeles than this: courtyard bungalows, an Edsel, and a blonde:



plus wide whitewalls and a Merc with a tarted-up continental kit. Anybody recognize the location?

(From Perry Mason: The Case of the Spurious Sister, 1959)

No, not the location, but evocative of Kenton Court.

Interesting assemblage of wires and antennae. As this was 1925 (a few years before mid-century), antenna height was probably important for crystal set reception. Probably not many superheterodyne receivers on Kenmore Ave for a few years.

When KFI went on the air April 16, 1922, the station was mostly an experiment to determine if anyone could hear radio voice transmissions. "Can you hear me?" Earle C. Anthony would yell into a carbon microphone from his garage transmitter location. "Yes, I can hear you," a family member would reply from a nearby house, listening to Anthony's transmission on an early, very primitive radio receiver. The station's operating frequency was not on 640 kHz in those days, but any frequency where Anthony could get the transmitter to operate.

Later, the Federal Radio Commission (prior to the Communications Act of 1934) mandated that all stations would operate on a wavelength of 360 meters (approximately 833 kHz). One station would operate on this frequency for a period of time. Then, it would go off the air so another one could use the same frequency.

The first station would invariably make the decision to continue to stay on the air after the second one had come on, causing massive interference. Later, after the establishment of the Communications Act of 1934, stations were assigned specific operating frequencies. KFI was assigned its present call letters and ended up with its 640 kHz operating frequency, a fortuitous happening, since radio signal propagation seems to be better at low end of the AM band than at the upper end.

In addition, being the first station on 640 kHz, KFI would not be required to erect a directional antenna system to protect other stations. Those that came on the air on 640 kHz following KFI would, instead, have to protect it. With its low operating frequency, its 50,000 watts of power, and its non-directional, 722-foot, single tower, antenna system, KFI's night-time signal could be heard over vast sections of the United States and various parts of the world.

From 1922 to 1926, early programming consisted of such things as reading news from a newspaper and local gossip. Broadcasting hours were very short, since Anthony was involved in many other activities, and programming sources were very limited. In other words, it was a hobby. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFI

(The more things change, the more they stay the same - although broadcasting hours are now 24/7.)









1925 - 1222 Kenmore Ave.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...oll170/id/5359










Kenton Court







Garage for Rent




Not all details are worth preserving. In this instance, roof tiles were added.


1993
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...5807a75460.jpg





Contemporary (Looks like next-door garage is unavailable)
GoogleSV

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I was looking at the 'Chicago Calling' screen-grabs last night.

Here's one I especially liked.


http://www.electricearl.com/bh/ChicagoCalling-12.html

I should know, but I don't. Where are we looking here......north toward Temple street?

I would have guessed this was later than 1951. (the year of 'Chicago Calling')

Originally Posted by rick m

This scene shot on porch of the lad's home at 242 No. Hope ---

Just to back up rick m's information, here's a 1952 aerial image with a current one for comparison.


Historic Aerials/Google Maps

[BifRayRock]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Around the proverbial corner at 636 North Western was Dr. Scott's Dog and Cat Hospital. Quick Sign Service too! (Or maybe this was a branch office. See Below.)



1925


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../68356/rec/150




1925 (Beverly Hills)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/4608/rec/128

"All Board and Surgical Fees must be paid in Advance."


Deceptive store front?


Said to be the interior of Dr. Scott's 636 Western Ave Office. Ceiling height seems more at home with BH location. In either case, many creature comforts. An area rug is perfect for territorial markings and canaries might enjoy the hanging light switch.



http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...oll170/id/4675



A pendant light switch may have prevented some patients and owners from getting too comfortable.




http://rewiredantiques.com/wp-conten...7/L1020849.jpg


Alternate 1916 Perkins style
http://rewiredantiques.com/wp-conten...7/L1020833.jpg

[MichaelRyerson]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

It never occurred to me it was cement with lines carved to resemble blocks.Thanks Beaudry.

I was looking at the 'Chicago Calling' screen-grabs last night.

Here's one I especially liked.


http://www.electricearl.com/bh/ChicagoCalling-12.html

I should know, but I don't. Where are we looking here......north toward Temple street?

I would have guessed this was later than 1951. (the year of 'Chicago Calling')

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AS Hoss and Rick have already noted we're looking north on Hope Street with Temple passing in the middle distance and the southern terminus
of the newly opened section of the Hollywood Freeway dumping traffic out onto Temple at Hope. Here's an image of the same scene looking more westerly...

End of the line, SB Hollywood Freeway at Hope Street, 1951


These are Sunday drivers, out for a drive and to see the newest link of the
freeway system. This particular stretch ran from Melrose (at Normandie) down
here to Hope Street at Temple. This is Sunday, November 11, 1951. At this
time we lived on Monroe Street near Melrose and Western Avenue. We did this
many times. In fact we could very well have been in this shot although I don't
see a light blue bathtub Nash.

USC Digital/Los Angeles Examiner Collection, 1920-1961