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Yes, but the recent one was from the original glass negative without the graininess cbd.



above: HossC, thx for identifying the signage on the right as Harron, Rickard & McCone.
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Good job on the merit badge Graybeard
and that map of the 1953 boy Scout Jamboree is really cool Tourmaline.

Boy Scout Jamborees always make me think of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVZ4dDdlFec

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Mansion on Wilshire

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For a house that was barely lived in, it has quite a history, now told here: http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...lease-see.html
Historic Aerial view of the fabled Wilshire property, 1950s:


Historic Aerial website
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 7:54 PM
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Yes, but the recent one was from the original glass negative without the graininess cbd.

So there, you stickler you.

above: HossC, thx for identifying the signage on the right as Harron, Rickard & McCone.
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ER: I don't know what you're talking about. What graininess? All I did was post a b/w version of the previous blue photo. Did I do something wrong? I didn't mean to offend you.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 7:54 PM
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No, it's all cool CBD.

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A question that has always haunted me is where did the people of Bunker Hill go? Where did they end up, the people who were forced off of Bunker Hill? Or was the Bunker Hill diaspora sufficiently gradual as to allow them to simply be swallowed piecemeal by the city? Or did they find themselves in common eddies, arriving in cheap hotels, retirement homes or County Hospital in waves, a cohort of the disenfranchised. Has anyone ever published a study of this largely involuntary emigration. It seems like a worthy thing to know about.
I wish I knew the answer to that as well MichaelRyerson.
My guess is that a majority found housing in SROs in the downtown area.
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Very nice... house. From Physique Pictorial, December 1966...taken not at 10086 Sunset Boulevard but rather in the garden of the Lucien Brunswig house, once at 3528 West Adams Blvd.


A couple of prior posts re the Brunswig house:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1177

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16143
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 8:43 PM
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..so Physique Pictoral got it wrong?
You're one of the few people that could discern the difference between the two locations. Good job GW.
Hard to believe that kid is 14__ I was a string bean at 14.




I don't believe we've seen this particular Carolina Pines Jr. on NLA.

525 S. Vermont near Sixth Street


http://books.google.com/books?id=uYi...0pines&f=false



BifRayRock asked this a long time ago...Was there ever a Carolina Pine Sr.? If not, why the Jr.?
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The Carolina Pines Jr. at La Brea and Sunset:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8564

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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 9:39 PM
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Dublin's 8240 Sunset Boulevard, 1980s


https://www.flickr.com/groups/vintagela/




today

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Information on the present building.
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/16005...-Hollywood-CA/

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Thanks for the additional information Tetsu. Why so few photos of his mansion with the ostentatious 'lighthouse'?
True, does seem like there should be more photos of it. As for the book, Houses Of Los Angeles, I've thumbed through it a few times at the library I work at - it's got some great pics we've never seen on NLA. Maybe I could check it out, bring it home and provide a few scans?
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 9:58 PM
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That would be great Tetsu.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2014, 10:35 PM
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When I posted about the Mary Louise at Westlake Park on June 8th, I didn't realize the building was still standing.


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=21892




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The Mary Louise Tea Room moved from downtown to the southwest corner of 7th and Lake in 1922.



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I happened to be looking at a photograph the other day (which we've seen here) which showed, among other things, the scattered remains of the Fremont Hotel including the front stairs, a curved affair of some beauty. As thought trains go, what followed was not surprising. I thought for a few minutes about how many times we've seen the Fremont, talked about it, measured other buildings from it, oriented the point-of-view by it, estimated the date of an image by it's appearance. It now seemed especially sad to contemplate this largely vacant lot even though, I'm sure, the useful life of the Fremont had come to an end. In some small way, it was similar to the feeling of having to put down a long-time pet when the deteriorating quality of their life demands it. An essentially bitter moment in an otherwise sweet association. But nonetheless, seeing those stairs brought to mind the thousands of feet that had trod them, going in or coming out of the Fremont. And then it occurred to me, a question that has always haunted me is where did the people go? Where did they end up, the people who were forced off of Bunker Hill? Or was the Bunker Hill diaspora sufficiently gradual as to allow them to simply be swallowed piecemeal by the city? Or did they find themselves in common eddies, arriving in cheap hotels, retirement homes or County Hospital in waves, a cohort of the disenfranchised. Has anyone ever published a study of this largely involuntary emigration. It seems like a worthy thing to know about.
I've been meaning to post this article for a while now - I'm taking your post as a sign to stop being lazy about it.






LA Times

Article is dated Feb. 4, 1962.

So, what came of Mrs. Biby's new place at 2818 W. Temple?

GSV

Seems to have absorbed into the high school next door. The driveway and steps certainly do look like they once led up to a residential building of some sort.

And Mrs. Hillman at 740 S. Hartford?

GSV

Still hanging on, looking not unlike some of the old homes on Bunker Hill.

Ms. Vidette moved in across the street to 735 S. Hartford:



Looks like it's been remodeled a bit and incorporated into a contemporary structure next door.

Mr. Sosa went to Aliso Village, though the article didn't specify where.

LAPL

Helene Schleicher moved to 1426 S. Malvern:



A bit remodeled now but not in bad shape at all.

And as for Noah Marker, the landlord who could afford to move to swankier digs? 918 E. Chevy Chase (addressed as 916 - I think 918 is a separate building at the rear of the property):

GSV

I find some irony in the fact that at least two of the people mentioned in this article (Mrs. Hillman & Ms. Vidette) moved to places that really don't seem to be much different than apartment buildings (and mansions cut up into apartment buildings) that you would have found on Bunker Hill. I'd be willing to bet that Mrs. Biby's place on Temple was not much different, either. Their new homes were just sitting on less valuable land, I suppose.

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Another NOIR mystery....

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Very nice... house. From Physique Pictorial, December 1966...taken not at 10086 Sunset Boulevard but rather in the garden of the Lucien Brunswig house, once at 3528 West Adams Blvd.


A couple of prior posts re the Brunswig house:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1177

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16143
The referenced article refers to Arnie Payne, Physique Pictorial model, as ''Arnie Gaines''. Which is it?

Gaylord Wilshire, with his vast knowledge of the Wilshire area, correctly identifies the mansion as the Lucien Brunswig house at 3528 West Adams Blvd. When was it torn down? The photo of Arnie was supposedly taken in 1966. [ Physique Pictorial (Vol. XVI, December 1966]. Bravo GW for your sharp eyes.!

From the looks of the lawn in the PP photo, the party was long over in 1966. From the looks of the model, the party is just beginning. I wonder how the owner of Los Angeles movie studio Athletic Model Guild, publisher of PP, got access to the Brunswick mansion? Could one just walk in and pose your models, willy-nilly?

I also doubt that the model named Arnie is 14. He's probably more like 18 or even older. We need to get to the bottom of this noir mystery and pronto.

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As promised....

This amazing weather vane was atop the main dome of the Moorish-style Le Grande Station.
The station, located just south of the First Street viaduct at 2nd Street and Santa Fe Avenue, was the main passenger terminal
of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railroad.



detail/ebay







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After the 1933 Long Beach Earthquake the station's monumental dome was removed.
The station continued to serve Santa Fe Railway's passenger terminal (sans dome) until the opening of the Los Angeles Union Station
on May 7, 1939.




below: Here is a view of the once magnificent Santa Fe Station minus the damaged dome on Jan. 26, 1939.




I would love to find a photograph of the interior of the dome. It must have been absolutely 'le grande'.

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1893 (Before Union Station)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...es%2C_Cal..jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TY2M8MTALI.jpg


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And I’ve never heard of this theater before, the Bay Theater, 15140 W. Sunset Boulevard. Grand Opening 1948. Showing The Paleface.

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Interior:
Cinema Treasures

15140 must be way out in Pacific Palisades or vicinity.
Converted to a double theatre in the 70’s; a hardware store in 1980.

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt4s2019pf/hi-res


1948 (?) Construction
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt367nc5zq/hi-res

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...676/hi-res.jpg

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...3gs/hi-res.jpg

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt8g5023r9/hi-res

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt887022rh/hi-res

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...9vx/hi-res.jpg


http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt296nc3hc/hi-res


http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...33g/hi-res.jpg
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Bizarre Los Angeles


Oh, the crazy associations this photo set off when I came across it. First you have Dagwood Bumstead, a.k.a., Arthur Lake, seen here standing at right. Then you have Marion Davies, seated at center. To her right is Mrs. Lake, born--or was she?--Patricia Van Cleve (or Cleeve or Clive, depending on what you read). So it seems that for years Patricia was said to be William Randolph Hearst's niece; her ostensible aunt would haven been Mrs. Hearst, from whom the old man was never divorced. My brain is too taxed here now to remember for sure how Mr. Van Cleve Cleeve Clive figured in--I think he was Marion's sister's husband. Anyway, the Hollywood hush-hush on Patricia was that she was actually Willie & Marion's love child whom the Van Cleve Cleeve Clives took as an infant and pawned off as their own recently-deceased child, name and all. Later, Mr. Van Cleve Cleeve Clive kidnapped little Pat and took her away for five years, until Willie tracked her down and got her back to Marion's sister. Apparently Pat saw quite a bit of "Uncle Willie" and "Auntie Marion" while growing up; she later told Arthur about her true parentage on their wedding day. (She did not disclose it to the rest of her family until right before she died in the '90s.) So many exhausting tangents.... I remember reading about Arthur Lake being implicated--here's the noir hook--by one of the many wacked-out Dahlia experts in that death (Larry Harnisch's hilarious takedowns of such tales are worth reading: click here.) Then there is something I remember reading in some rag like Vanity Fair a few years ago... that Patricia was given to getting squiffed at parties, climbing onto tables, lifting her skirts and shouting, "Here's Pussy!!" (Unfortunately, no pictures of any of these performances seem to exist.) Marion, Patricia and Arthur are buried together at Hollywood Memorial Park.

To give the others in the photo their due: The blonde behind the candles is Mrs. Huntington Hartford; the man at left is Douglas Wood--no idea who he was--and Horace Brown, Marion's hubby at the time. I thought he was Hearst at first, since Patricia looks like him. But he--WRH--must have uttered ""Rosebud" by this time.

Rather than make this post any longer, I'll post something I just discovered about the Bumstead's real movie house next....

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...0h/d3e1437.jpg
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I happened to be looking at a photograph the other day (which we've seen here) which showed, among other things, the scattered remains of the Fremont Hotel including the front stairs, a curved affair of some beauty. As thought trains go, what followed was not surprising. I thought for a few minutes about how many times we've seen the Fremont, talked about it, measured other buildings from it, oriented the point-of-view by it, estimated the date of an image by it's appearance. It now seemed especially sad to contemplate this largely vacant lot even though, I'm sure, the useful life of the Fremont had come to an end. In some small way, it was similar to the feeling of having to put down a long-time pet when the deteriorating quality of their life demands it. An essentially bitter moment in an otherwise sweet association. But nonetheless, seeing those stairs brought to mind the thousands of feet that had trod them, going in or coming out of the Fremont. And then it occurred to me, a question that has always haunted me is where did the people go? Where did they end up, the people who were forced off of Bunker Hill? Or was the Bunker Hill diaspora sufficiently gradual as to allow them to simply be swallowed piecemeal by the city? Or did they find themselves in common eddies, arriving in cheap hotels, retirement homes or County Hospital in waves, a cohort of the disenfranchised. Has anyone ever published a study of this largely involuntary emigration. It seems like a worthy thing to know about.
Wow, Michael, you're a man after my own heart! (Did that sound creepy, at all?) Anyway, my biggest interest in all of the photos of old LA has always been the people. The long-since-gone faces of ordinary people who happened to, by simple chance, appear in photos of old buildings and neighborhoods in Los Angeles. I also wonder what happened to these blurry people. Some may have become famous (or infamous). Did any of these street scenes catch an image of the Black Dahlia's murderer? Or maybe a simple laborer whose grandchildren still live in LA? In these old photos, the "real" Los Angeles emerges....the very people who designed, built, envisioned, lived in, or were simply held captive by, the great expanding metropolis. And every single tiny, blurry image of every background person tells a story, unknown to us. Every single one of them had their own hopes and dreams and demons stalking their every waking hour....just like the rest of us. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
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Like the picture above, this one is also dated vaguely at 1930-1960. I'd say that everything looks pretty new, and there's no moving traffic, so I'm guessing it's quite early. You have to look harder for the "Vineyard" sign in this picture - it's on the first pole after the bridge. It's a shame that the dividing wall, which matched the design of the bridge, has been replaced by a wire fence.


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I believe that this is the light fixture, mentioned in Engine54's video, which is now missing. I hope that they can somehow replace it.


USC Digital Library

And hey,Chin/Engine54 is REALLY good. I think that he would be great as the next Huell Howser. A perfect mixture of enthusiasm, knowledge, and likability.

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Photographer Don Normark died recently at age 86. Back in the late 1940's,
he took a series of photos up in Elysian Park when it was still a thriving little
community of mostly Mexican-Americans.


http://www.latimes.com/local/obituar...ry.html#page=1


http://www.latimes.com/local/obituar...ry.html#page=1


http://www.latimes.com/local/obituar...ry.html#page=1


http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...avine.php#more


http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...avine.php#more


http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...avine.php#more


I had always heard that the Chevez Ravine residents were moved out to make way for
Dodger Stadium. However, the area was already cleared out earlier in the 1950's in order to build
an affordable housing project. The project later fell through when some factions in the city deemed
it to be a socialist plot, or something. By the time the Dodgers arrived, there were only
about twenty families left. Unfortunately, these last residents were the hard core, who
had refused to move earlier and an ugly scene resulted where people were literally
dragged out of their homes as the bulldozers moved in.
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