noirish Los Angeles

[HossC]

This is the Gateways Hospital at 1891 Effie Street. According to gatewayshospital.org, the hospital was opened in 1961 and dedicated by Eleanor Roosevelt. It's Julius Shulman's "Job 3336: Gateways Hospital (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1961". There are 21 photos in the set, so I've just picked seven to give a flavor of what they show.



Here's an elevated view looking north-west.



This appears to be the main entrance.



The Isaac and Anna Grancell Activities Building can be seen behind the main building on the elevated view above.



This hall, complete with table tennis tables, must be inside the Isaac and Anna Grancell Activities Building.



Another activities room. The man at the end seems to be examining the straightness of an object he has in a vise.



I'll finish the Shulman pictures with this bedroom shot.



All from Getty Research Institute

The entrance sign has been rearranged and had some text added, but it's still recognizable.


GSV

Looking at Historic Aerials, it seems that the north-eastern extension was added before 1972. The Isaac and Anna Grancell Activities Building is the one with the dark roof, next to the parking lot on the left.


Google Maps

[ethereal_reality]

Interesting place Hoss. The front looks like an open book.
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The Green Terrace, Hotel Green, Pasadena California


eBay

I wonder what part of the Hotel Green this bar was located?

-note that the walls appear curved.

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[Lwize]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

On the subject of the "hill," I think it was featured in a few other shorts with the Rascals and/or C.Chase, and I would "guess" it was toward the Fox or Baldwin Hills. Of course Roach's productions were not limited to the Culver-Venice area. For example, Roach famously featured a certain Silverlake hillside for exteriors in a 1932 short. (L&H's The Music Box.) Although I do not think the same "hill" is part of this short, "One Wild Ride" (1925) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aHj2TVEio0 includes a variety of hills from throughout the area that are worth viewing. Some shots look like they could be near Mulholland or Beachwood, others, with oil derricks could be Baldwin Hills or even the Signal Hill vicinity. Production notes, if they ever existed, would be helpful.

Looking through NLA hills, Pico seemed to rise over a big one well suited to all sorts of cinematic mischief. Note the water tower that could easily be confused with similar landmarks often associated with Studios. (Was that tower associated with a specific municipality or business?)

I posit Overland could could still be "the hill" mentioned - but looking south at the small incline leading to the top of the hill on the north side, before it plunges down on the south side. Remember it was decades before the hill was lowered and widened for increased traffic.

And don't forget the hill at Grandview and Palms.

Also, the hills of West Pico, slopping down to Roxbury from either Beverwil or the future Century Park East are fairly shallow in real like, and already wide.

[ethereal_reality]

Here's a look inside the Carnation Ice Cream Shop at 5075 Wilshire Boulevard [1950s]



http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/18492/rec/4

-pretty busy for 10 'til 9:00 in the evening.


detail


Have gun, will travel.
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http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/18492/rec/4



below: Here's what's visible outside the window.


detail




waiting patiently for a seat.

detail





Anyone know what this little 'machine' does? -is it a music selector


detail
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As a reminder, here's the Carnation Building. (this view is dated 1949)


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/

The street level windows differ from the windows in the ice cream shop. The street address in the ice cream shop photos is 5075, same as this building...right?*
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*OK, I just found this.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michae...n/photostream/

The windows appear to match the ice cream shop photos. -so dis' must be da place. -but I don't know the address.

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[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here's a look inside the Carnation Ice Cream Shop at 5075 Wilshire Boulevard [1950s]



http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/18492/rec/4

-pretty busy for 10 'til 9:00 in the evening.


detail


Have gun, will travel.
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http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/18492/rec/4



below: Here's what's visible outside the window.


detail




waiting patiently for a seat.

detail





Anyone know what this little 'machine' does? -is it a music selector


detail
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As a reminder, here's the Carnation Building. (this view is dated 1949)


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/

The street level windows differ from the windows in the ice cream shop. The street address in the ice cream shop photos is 5075, same as this building...right?*
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*OK, I just found this.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michae...n/photostream/

The windows appear to match the ice cream shop photos. -so dis' must be da place.

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I wouldn't call it an ice cream shop, but there was a coffee shop-type restaurant at the Carnation building itself, definitely of a kind with Ships, Denny's, and similar establishments. Once I had a burger for lunch there, accompanied by chocolate milkshake that seemed almost mandatory considering where I was, and despite my more typical choice of diet soda. Needless to say it was very good. And seeing that milky-white building with the Carnation logo used to just make me crave some rich, filling dairy product.

The restaurant shown above could certainly have been the same place, assuming it was in its own separate building or annex of some kind on the same property. Strangely I don't remember it that way. Until now, if anyone happened to ask me about it, I'd have told them that the restaurant was on the ground floor of the main office building.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks Those_Who_Squirm. Yea, I'm still a bit confused about the location as well.

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Has anyone heard of this 1954 proposal for an air sanitation system that would suck all the smog out of Los Angeles and deposit it in the hinterlands?




And all to the tune of $200-300 million dollars (in 1954!)
I wonder how they planned to tackle all the car exhaust? Elastic hoses?


found at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Newspap...YAAOSw5VFWKn7n
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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm

I wouldn't call it an ice cream shop, but there was a coffee shop-type restaurant at the Carnation building itself, definitely of a kind with Ships, Denny's, and similar establishments. Once I had a burger for lunch there, accompanied by chocolate milkshake that seemed almost mandatory considering where I was, and despite my more typical choice of diet soda. Needless to say it was very good. And seeing that milky-white building with the Carnation logo used to just make me crave some rich, filling dairy product.

The restaurant shown above could certainly have been the same place, assuming it was in its own separate building or annex of some kind on the same property. Strangely I don't remember it that way. Until now, if anyone happened to ask me about it, I'd have told them that the restaurant was on the ground floor of the main office building.

Thanks for posting ER....brings back good memories.
I also had lunch there one time around 1955. I'd call it a coffee shop with very strong overtones of Carnation milk products. I can't remember who I was with but it may have been on a Cub Scout outing. What I do recall was the elegant lady sitting at another table having a huge strawberry malt. The contrast seemed strange to me.

The photos above are night shots but the place was absolutely filled with light during the day and kid friendly to the max.


photo file..&.... that's CBDoug at the left as a Boy Scout.

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Lwize

I posit Overland could could still be "the hill" mentioned - but looking south at the small incline leading to the top of the hill on the north side, before it plunges down on the south side. Remember it was decades before the hill was lowered and widened for increased traffic.

And don't forget the hill at Grandview and Palms.

Also, the hills of West Pico, slopping down to Roxbury from either Beverwil or the future Century Park East are fairly shallow in real life, and already wide.

I do not have any personal knowledge concerning whether the subject hill was on Overland or some other nearby street. Including the shots of Pico's hill was only meant as a suggestion that hilly terrain seemed to be plentiful in the area.

Pictures of the Overland hill are elusive. Same with "Lowes Hill," which is easily confused with Thaddeus Lowe of Mt. Lowe fame. Most of the older references to Overland Blvd. seem to be in connection with the Culver Speedway. I recall seeing "virtually" unimproved Overland as part of the Lomita estate, but they do not show much in the way of hills. You mention "it was decades before the hill was lowered and widened." I suspect the same could be said for a lot of streets in the areas you mention - when they were first plotted. In the early '20s, when the film was shot, some of the roads were barely graded, let alone paved. Also, camera angles and lenses can make a shallow hill seem much steeper than reality. Re-watching the Sundown Ltd., suggests the subject hill was probably unpaved or very dusty. FWIW, in the shot prior to train descending the hill, the train passes what seems like an apartment. While this is no guarantee that this was the same hill, it might offer a clue or two regarding the general area, since it would have been cost effective to keep from moving the train to too many far reaching locations. Was there a large apartment building anywhere near Overland circa 1923?

BTW, I also note what appears to be early construction of the Culver Hotel (@18:27).



https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8644/...bfa71157_b.jpg


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7565/...fd058322_b.jpg



http://www.younghollywoodhof.com/ima...rgang_cast.jpg



https://travsd.files.wordpress.com/2...bobourgang.jpg



Palms Chamber of Commerce bench?
http://www.younghollywoodhof.com/las...ssie_lou14.jpg
http://www.catsafterme.com/wp-conten...7/08/ahern.jpg




https://fordcitypa1333.files.wordpre...pg?w=500&h=338

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Thanks for posting ER....brings back good memories.

...

What I do recall was the elegant lady sitting at another table having a huge strawberry malt. The contrast seemed strange to me.

Reminds me Mr. Muckle in It's A Gift, as he walks into the store of Harold Bissonette, quite dignified and imperious. There's only one item on his grocery list--five cents worth of bubble gum, to be delivered to home because he doesn't want to lug that package around with him all day.

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

As a reminder, here's the Carnation Building. (this view is dated 1949)


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/

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We have seen these images many times. They may not be "noir" but it is hard to deny they deserve another viewing.


1954
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dEwYZDt09y...+General+o.jpg




And further east . . .

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dEwYZDt09y...+down+Blvd.jpg



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dEwYZDt09y...and+others.jpg




1976 - Looking west toward Carnation bldg.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7149/6...70e5089e_b.jpg




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...B.jpg~original



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s.jpg~original

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Anyone know what this little 'machine' does? -is it a music selector


detail
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Almost certainly it is. I've seen much the same sort of setup at Cafe 50's, (all of those, probably), where they have a main jukebox in addition to the tabletop devices that accept money and offer a subset of the main jukebox. All the tabletop devices "communicate" with the main system by some sort of pre-computer electromechanical system.

It makes me miss the last days of real jukeboxes, when vinyl was replaced by CDs, and the machines could say a lot about the culture of a given bar or pub. The jukebox at the bar where I used to hang out at in the early 1990s had King Crimson and pretty much anything else that was progressive, alternative, psychedelic, or from the better kinds of classic rock.

Since the advent of internet-based jukeboxes we've lost that kind of individuality.

[Those Who Squirm!]

Originally Posted by Lwize

I posit Overland could could still be "the hill" mentioned - but looking south at the small incline leading to the top of the hill on the north side, before it plunges down on the south side. Remember it was decades before the hill was lowered and widened for increased traffic.

I know Overland used to be narrow about from Venice up to the bottom of the hill just south of the I-10 (We are talking about that hill, right?); I think this section was widened around 1990 from two lanes to four.

Do you mean that the section that runs up and over the hill also used to be narrow in the same way?

[ethereal_reality]

FYI

Four finalists have been chosen for the Pershing Square Redesign Competition.

you can check out the proposals here:
http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/f...eee438e9a.html

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[Hollywood Graham]

From my dear departed Aunt's photo album..[IMG][/IMG]

[jg6544]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks Those_Who_Squirm. Yea, I'm still a bit confused about the location as well.

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Has anyone heard of this 1954 proposal for an air sanitation system that would suck all the smog out of Los Angeles and deposit it in the hinterlands?




And all to the tune of $200-300 million dollars (in 1954!)
I wonder how they planned to tackle all the car exhaust? Rubber hoses?


found at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Newspap...YAAOSw5VFWKn7n
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I've heard of this. A the son of a friend of my grandmother's moved to LA to work on it. They bought a house in the then-new suburb of Bellflower. My grandmother brought me out to visit the summer Disneyland opened and I visited Disneyland when it was brand-new. Also went to Knott's Berry Farm. I also remember how bad the pollution was; made my eyes and throat burn.

[Hollywood Graham]

Another plan of that era was to cut a pass in the mountains to let the smog flow into the upper desert. Smog was really bad then and several ideas were floated around.

[mrfredmertz]

Humorously enough, this scheme was mentioned in an episode of "The Beverly Hillbillies" where Honest John, the con man, wanted to sell the project to a group of "civic-minded" individuals. He already had subscriptions for the fan system and the gates. "Who gets the shaft?" Jeb Clampett asked.

"Glad you asked..."

[ethereal_reality]

lol. That's a great line.





https://www.pinterest.com/source/the...illbillies.net

[HossC]

Today we have more Julius Shulman photographs of Bunker Hill. These ones are from 1980. There's a note in the description which says 'See job 4694' - I posted a selection from that 1971 photoset in post #31641. This one is "Job 5820: Bunker Hill Redevelopment (Los Angeles, Calif.),1980". Again, I'm just posting a sample of the full set.



This shot must've been taken from the United California Bank Building (it became First Interstate Tower in 1981, and is now the Aon Center). Next to the Edison Building, the Engstrum's days were numbered. I know it's only black & white, but this image makes me dizzy when I view it fullscreen!



I assume that this longer shot was taken from the same vantage point.



Nearly half the pictures in this set are color. This one shows Grand Park through to the DWP building from City Hall. Sadly, the view is no longer interrupted by the roof of the Hall of Records, which was demolished about seven years previously.



I'll finish with this image. There's a shot from Bunker Hill Towers in the 1971 photoset (see the link at the top of this post). The builders were obviously very busy throughout the '70s on the section between 3rd and 4th Streets, because it was nearly empty nine years earlier.



All from Getty Research Institute

[ethereal_reality]

Wow! -great pics Hoss.

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/bananaphone5000/GreatGorilla/CarnationHeadquarters.jpg~original

That must be the Carnation "ice cream shop/cafe" next door. Would this explain the same street number? (5075).





Now let's take a look inside the Carnation Building, circa 1949.


Here's the lobby.


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10



lobby #2


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10




reception area


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10




office


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10




company lounge (with fireplace)


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10






company dining room







private dining room


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10





conference room


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10



conference #2, showing audio/visual







penthouse? -note the outdoor patio.


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...id/4746/rec/10



a closer look out the window



I've been trying to find the patio area in exterior photos, but I haven't located it yet.
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