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Old Posted Oct 18, 2006, 8:21 PM
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Surtout que PET ça aurait dû être le nom donné à celui de Mirabel... c'est ça son projet! Pas Dorval... Dorval c'était l'aéroport municipal bien avant que PET ne devienne PM.
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Personellement, j'ai ben de la misère à comprendre pourquoi vous vous emportez autant. Cri**, c'est une rue!! Pas le nom d'une ville ou d'une province là! Une rue!!!

Je trouve que c'est ben mieu de donner à une rue un nom d'un politicien que de donner le nom de Pierre-Éliot Trudeau à l'aéroport de Dorval.
Avoir été une rue un peu moins important, je ne crois pas qu'il y en aurait autant de gens pour se plaindre. Mais là on parle d'une artère principale de la ville. FVCK! C'est l'Avenue du Parc/PARK AVENUE.

j'ai chialé en ostie quand ils ont changer le nom de l'aéroport. encore aujourd'hui je refuse d'appeller notre aéroport P.E.T.. ça restera toujours Dorval pour moi!
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Surtout que PET ça aurait dû être le nom donné à celui de Mirabel... c'est ça son projet! Pas Dorval... Dorval c'était l'aéroport municipal bien avant que PET ne devienne PM.
Ben c'est ça que je dis, il faut bien plus être faché par le nom que l'on a donné à Dorval, que celui que l'on va donner à un boulevard!
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Avenue Robert-Bourrassa... Avenue Parc est un bon nom pour une rue. Ca vas sembler aux touristes que nous sommes une ville soviet, avec tous ces rues nommés après des politiciens..

Nous avons besoin d'une Rue Maurice Richard! Peut-être donnez la rue Gauchetière ce nom? Le Centre Bell serait situé sur la Rue Richard (ou Maurice Richard).
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 1:43 AM
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aussi faut pas oublier que Bleury va changer aussi de nom... un des noms les plus laid en ville sans compter que ca va eliminer une confusion d'avoir une rue changer de nom en mi parcours.
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ugh, this is terrible. park avenue should not be changed for all the reasons that st-joseph should not be changed: the street name is engrained in our cultural and collective heritage. renaming it will erase 104 years of history. it will commemorate a politician, yes, but it will also break an important connection montrealers have to their landscape. renaming a street has the same effect as giving it a number.

according to today's la presse, st-joseph will not be renamed because its name is too important: it commemorates some order of saints that had something to do with the founding of montreal and, more remarkably, it figured highly in the works of michel tremblay.

but guess what? park avenue is an important literary street too. it has figured as much in the works of montreal writers such as mordecai richler, mary soderstrom, dany laferrière, etc. as st-joseph has in the oeuvre of michel tremblay.

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aussi faut pas oublier que Bleury va changer aussi de nom... un des noms les plus laid en ville sans compter que ca va eliminer une confusion d'avoir une rue changer de nom en mi parcours.
um, confusion? i guess if you're used to living in a flat, sprawling non-entity with space-age street names like "boulevard de l'avenir."
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 2:22 AM
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um, confusion? i guess if you're used to living in a flat, sprawling non-entity with space-age street names like "boulevard de l'avenir."
guess what smarty pants, last year I was living on the corner of Chomedey and Cartier. Chomedey on very few kms changes names 3 times passing from Marcel Laurin to Laurentiens to Cure Labelle to Chomedey. Then on the other side Cartier becomes Cure Labelle too, even with a cross intersection. Very very confusing.

So taking away one confusion in Montréal is excellent.

And what a generic name Parc is... Parc because its passing thru a Park wow... and lets not forget the thousands of Park avenue in the Stats and Canada.
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that doesn't mean anything. park avenue is named after mount royal park. it has been known as park avenue since the street was created in the first place. but you're missing my broader point, that park avenue has worked its way into our cultural and geographic consciousness. st. joseph, st. denis, mount royal avenue, st. laurent, pine avenue -- these are all pretty generic names, but they have been around for so long, have figured so much in both literary montreal and everybody's own personal montreal, that renaming them is taking a chunk of montreal's history away. these streets are old and they are very central. they have a larger impact than many other streets in montreal, so renaming them has a huge impact.

what's more, there is no logic to naming park avenue after robert bourassa. st. joseph made sense because he grew up on it in the eastern plateau. but park avenue is barely a part of the plateau: it skirts its edge and runs through the heart of mile end, a historically distinct neighbourhood. robert bourassa never lived near park avenue and he never represented a riding that encompassed park avenue. renaming bleury street makes even less sense: it isn't even on the plateau. if we're going to be renaming park and bleury, why not rename some downtown street instead? why not a street in mercier, the riding he represented for so many years?
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when you'll be mayor of Montréal you'll be able to rename the streets as you wish.

As for Saint-Joseph, its to commemorate a sisters congregation who gave the land to the city on which the boulevard is located on...

" Conçue pour la municipalité de Saint-Louis-du-Mile-End par l'architecte J.-Émile Vanier, à qui l'on doit également l'hôtel de ville de cette même ville, cette voie de communication fut acquise en 1905 des religieuses Hospitalières de Saint-Joseph, propriétaires de l'Hôtel-Dieu. La dénomination de cette voie est tirée de cette communauté et de la compagnie de l'Exposition provinciale. Cette dernière organisait chaque année, entre 1876 et 1896, une exposition sur un terrain au nord du parc Jeanne-Mance. Aménagé dans l'esprit des grandes artères, ce premier boulevard demeure unique à Montréal, longtemps après l'annexion de cette municipalité le 29 mai 1909. L'architecte se serait inspiré du boulevard Raspail, à Paris. Année officielle de dénomination : vers 1905. Anciennement : Rue du Palais, Rue Mallette, Rue Armand, Rue Guilland.
Source: Les rues de Montréal : répertoire historique, 1995. "
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Pour moi, c’est une bonne nouvelle. Robert Bourassa à été un grand ministre de l’histoire du Québec, Surtout, il a été l’un des grands premier-ministres du Québec qui fit avancer le Québec dans la modernité. Il a tout mon admiration...
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when you'll be mayor of Montréal you'll be able to rename the streets as you wish.
malek, i'm not sure if you're incapable of responding to my points or you simply don't want to. but thanks for ignoring my argument.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 4:22 AM
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aussi, la futur avenue robert bourasse s'arrête au CDP, je crois qu'il a eu un rôle important à jour avec eux, faudra fouiller.

KG: about mordechai richler and all those writers, how much do you want to bet that 95% of Montrealers never heard of them and that less than 1% actually read something written by them.
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um, mordecai richler is as well-known as michel tremblay. the others are not widely known, i admit, but any montrealer who reads knows who mordecai richler is. don't project your own ignorance on others.
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So Richler needs Avenue du Parc so that we can remember him? come on.

In the day to day life, Robert Bourassa played a bigger role and his legacy still lives on.

I am pretty sure similar discussions were happening when Dorchester was changed to René-Lévesque. 15 years later and we're still here, most have forgotten about it.

p.s. don't project your elitism on the rest of us.
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This is horrible. I'm going to call my city councillor to express my disapproval.

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The name change will go to city council on Oct. 30 and to the island council three days later, Tremblay said. His party holds a large majority on both bodies.

"I think the public is clearly represented by the city council," Tremblay said of why there won't be public consultations.

The matter then goes to Quebec's Commission de toponymie, or street-naming committee, for approval. The body meets next on Nov. 13 and the item will be on its agenda, committee director and secretary Danielle Turcotte said from Quebec City.
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So what about the Parc metro station then? Is it going to change too?

Ca a pas d'allure de laisser 'Parc' alors que ca refere clairement a la rue et pas au parc qui est tres loin. Et si ca change pour 'Robert Bourrassa' ca va etre une belle confusion avec Henri Bourrassa!
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So what about the Parc metro station then? Is it going to change too?

Ca a pas d'allure de laisser 'Parc' alors que ca refere clairement a la rue et pas au parc qui est tres loin. Et si ca change pour 'Robert Bourrassa' ca va etre une belle confusion avec Henri Bourrassa!

Qui plus est, il y a le quartier populaire de Parc Extension, ainsi nommé puisque l'avenue du Parc s'étend au nord de Jean-Talon un peu à l'ouest de la voie principale. Si on ne fait que changer le nom de l'avenue du Parc/Bleury entre Viger et Jean-Talon, le nom Parc au nord de Jean-Talon n'aura plus de point de référence... de même pour le quartier puisque l'avenue ne longe aucun parc d'envergure. C'est carrément ridicule que cette idée de renommer l'avenue du Parc. Je suis totalement contre. Nous avons un vrai don de faire taire les échos de notre histoire et c'est vraiment triste.
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watching the news last night, they had a poll to see if the public was in favour of this name change.

95% were against it, only 5 % were for it!

I have no problems if they wanna name a street after Bourassa, but don't touch PARK Avenue. Why don'T they change another street like St-Urbain.
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