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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 10:57 PM
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"obviusly untrue"? Not

"Los Angeles is the Most Densely Populated Urbam Area in the U.S":

https://la.curbed.com/2012/3/26/1038...rea-in-the-U.S.

Take in up with the Census Bureau if you doubt this. Of course in the U.S. no other city can touch Manhattan island for pop. density and number of skyscrapers, but in overall metro area density L.A. is numero uno. L.A. density is sprawling, with even many suburbs having >10,000/square mile. NYC urban area density is greater in the core but tends to diminish greatly in the outer suburbs.


...which is exhibit A on why weighted density is such a superior statistic to overall density. Ask any rational human being on earth which City has higher density between LA and New York and they will say New York. This is because they are correct.
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...which is exhibit A on why weighted density is such a superior statistic to overall density. Ask any rational human being on earth which City has higher density between LA and New York and they will say New York. This is because they are correct.
A lot has to do with where the boundaries are drawn. I'm sure Statan Island really hurts NYC for instance and some cities are merged with entire counties while others are just the core of the metro region.
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8,622,698 within 302 sq miles of land as of 2017.

Staten Island takes up 58.69 mi^2 (round to 59) @ 479,458 folks (2017).

The density would be 33,511 mi^2.

Right now its 28,491 including all boroughs. A 15% loss in density if Staten Island is included. Not really significant, especially if you add Jersey City, which would add a lot to the density.

But none of this means anything. Point is, the city is dense.
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...which is exhibit a on why weighted density is such a superior statistic to overall density. Ask any rational human being on earth which city has higher density between la and new york and they will say new york. This is because they are correct.
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If it’s by metro area density, LA wins. If by weighted density and other density metrics, NYC. Having living in the metro areas of both ( LA right now and NYC earlier on), the latter is not very dense but is consistent in suburban density over a large area. I live 1-2 hours away from Downtown and the same development goes on for miles almost radiating from the coast and continues down the coast to an extent. Reminded me of a larger South Florida.


New York’s density is most intense in the core, including the Five Boroughs and Hudson County. Some smaller dense cities and towns exist beyond that, like Newark and Yonkers, but there’s no consistent density in between many of these places unless they are in the path connecting NYC to the rest of the Megalopolis. I remembered driving through NJ one time to get to the city for Thanksgiving week and it was very rural in certain parts before immediately reaching Newark’s ring of influence. Out of the 20 million that live in the Tri-state Area, 11 million or more live within the intensely lit area in the bottom of this picture.



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Old Posted Jan 9, 2019, 2:32 AM
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The uber-high density stops dramatically, especially in parts of NJ that are all within the metro. North/Northeast NJ is very dense. Central NJ is eh... its dense for the U.S. but not that impressive.

Counties like Hunterdon, Sussex, Pike, and Warren drop the density dramatically. Even Ulster County in NY state is in the metro, and that county is over 1000 sq miles with less than 200k folks.

But look at the population of Bergan, Hudson, Essex for example. Massive.

The NY metro is a strange one. Its one of those places where you can go from a relativity average density of 5-6k to 10-12k to upwards of 25-35+k real quick!

The transition is profound.

LA is just continuous, and constant density within the basin. There are hot pockets or census tracts where it skyrockets, but for the most part, its somewhat constant.
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Take in up with the Census Bureau if you doubt this. Of course in the U.S. no other city can touch Manhattan island for pop. density and number of skyscrapers, but in overall metro area density L.A. is numero uno. L.A. density is sprawling, with even many suburbs having >10,000/square mile. NYC urban area density is greater in the core but tends to diminish greatly in the outer suburbs.
The majority of NYC, not just Manhattan, is much denser than almost any other major city in the US.

Here is a pretty cool map comparing population densities in large US cities:
https://i.redd.it/utfb2tj8ufy01.png
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A lot has to do with where the boundaries are drawn. I'm sure Statan Island really hurts NYC for instance and some cities are merged with entire counties while others are just the core of the metro region.
L.A. city & metro area also include huge tracts of almost unpopulated mountain land, which lowers overall density, like some of the areas around NYC metro. The meadowlands in NJ (part of the metro area) are just swamps with tall tufted phragmite reeds. Nobody disputes that core NYC (Manhattan and the nearby parts of Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx), and parts of NJ are the densest urban areas in the U.S. But it is also a myth that L.A. is a low density sprawl. Many neighborhoods and census tracts near DTLA have 40-50,000 people/sq. mile (Koreatown, Westlake etc.) and many suburbs exceed 10,000/sq. mile. Not exactly Manhattan levels of density, but higher than most cities.

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New York YIMBY’s 2020 Construction Report Shows 36,467 New Residential Unit Filings, A 7.1% Jump

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YIMBY’s 2019 New Building Report, released this time last year, showed a major jump in applications from 2017 into 2018, with new residential units filed with the Department of Buildings rising from 20,393 to 34,039. YIMBY’s 2020 New Construction Report shows that citywide gains continued into 2019, with total units filed increasing to 36,467, a jump of 2,428 or 7.1%. The full report is available in spreadsheet format at the link for $199.

In 2019, YIMBY predicted stability for the year ahead based on trends in affordable housing, as well as another commercial “supertall or two,” which New York did get in the form of the 1,322-foot filing for JPMorgan’s 270 Park Avenue. Affordable and peripheral housing also drove the borough-by-borough trends in growth from 2018 into 2019, with gains occurring in Brooklyn, The Bronx, and Queens offsetting small drops in submissions from both Manhattan and Staten Island.

Brooklyn’s raw new unit count was 12,527, up 5.6% from 11,864 in 2018. The Bronx overtook Queens for the second spot, with 9,321 units, up 25% from 2018’s total of 7,449. Queens gained 8,357 new unit filings, up 7.1% from 7,798.

Manhattan saw 5,434 new units filed, a 7.9% drop from 2018’s count of 5,902. And Staten Island’s count fell 19.3%, from 1,026 to 828.

While residential filings were up overall, hotel filings took a major hit. New rooms filed dropped 31.2% year over year, from 5,519 to 3,797.

Shifting hotel markets appear to have been driven by legislative changes, and developers like Sam Chang have announced impending retirement due to the sweeping reforms of late. Despite said announcement, Chang was responsible for a very major hotel filing on December 23rd in Manhattan, totaling 974 rooms or 26% of the total new citywide count for the year in a single building.

In terms of overall height, 2019 gained substantially on 2018. Last year, new permits were filed for 56 buildings of 200 feet or higher, and 150 of 100 feet or higher, up from totals of 39 and 123 in 2018, respectively. Despite the increase in dispersed bulk, the gains in filings at the top of the skyline were limited to 270 Park Avenue and only four other skyscrapers in excess of 500 feet. Two of those were on Manhattan’s far West Side, at 610 West 30th Street (545′) and 451 Tenth Avenue (535′), the tallest was in Hunters Point South at 1-15 57th Avenue (608′), and the last could become the tallest in all of Flushing, at 71-12 Park Avenue (530′).

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