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Old Posted May 20, 2016, 2:52 AM
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The Cheetah was originally the Aragon Ballroom, where big band and swing dances were held in the '40s and '50s. Also, Western swing bands of Spade Cooley and Bob Wills and others played there too. There used to be a large country western and Western swing audience in the LA area, dances and clubs all over.

Good line up at the cheetah in that photo: Moby Grape, Spirit and Genesis. A great show.

If I recall correctly, the building burned down in the early '70s.
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I think tovangar2 has pretty much answered the question, but I just thought I'd mention that the Hebrew Cemetery still appears on the 1921 Baist map.


www.historicmapworks.com

For reference, here's what's there today.


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Slightly off-topic, but last year I was riding around town with an LAFD Captain (one of my brothers-in-law) who is also something of an LA historian (like some here) and we drove up Bernard(o) Street, west of Stadium Way (Adobe Street on the Baist) and as we passed the third house (no. 706) on the south side of Bernard(o) he commented that this used to be 'the morgue'. He really had no other information, couldn't tell me when it was 'the morgue' nor even who had told him that. He's been in the Fire Service 30 years and knows the city inside-out as they say and I've never found him to be wrong in the past so there you have it. I haven't been able to find any reference to 706 Bernard or Bernardo having ever had any official role in the city. I know the 'Quarantine Station' sat just up the street so perhaps 706 was commandeered to serve as a temporary charnel house during the plague. The structure on the property today (perfectly square footprint) appears to date from at least the early 40s with maybe a couple of coats of stucco on it.
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I couldn't find a new construction permit for 706 Bernard Street in the building records (the earliest permit of any kind is from 1962, and there's nothing for 706 Bernardo), but three property websites I checked all give a build date of 1889.


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When I Googled Poppy Peak Drive, I found that there's a Richard Neutra designed house at 1540.This is "Job 2332: Perkins House (Pasadena, Calif.), 1957".
Excellent post on the Perkins House Hoss.

Here's an additional image that I really like.



http://a2d-architecture.com/post/159...house-pasadena


There are some interesting tidbits in this article.

"Connie Perkins, an art professor and single lady, first met architect Richard Neutra in Los Angeles in 1948. She was familiar with his work from reading John Entenza’s influential Arts and Architecture Magazine. But it took a speech he gave on building great houses cheaply, and her challenge to that assertion, for them to collaborate on a 1,300 ft2 design in 1953.
Neutra approached the project as he approached all his work, by first establishing the exact needs of the client. His wasn’t architecture a client had to fit into, but architecture designed specifically to a client’s needs. And this is where this project became interesting.
Connie didn’t want the usual living room, kitchen, bathroom and bedrooms. Her idea was to have one large living space, where she could work, entertain, relax, and sleep; the one bedroom was only for guests use.
Construction was stucco over wood post and beam, quite planar, with much floor to ceiling glass, of course . Plus, a slightly contentious “inside to outside” reflecting pool that ended up very much defining the house, along with one of Neutra’s trademark outrigger beams that dropped into it. All in all a small, beautifully designed, beautifully detailed house.
Like most architectural projects the house went a little over budget, but not so that the client became aggrieved. Connie was delighted with her house, especially when you bear in mind that Neutra had created something totally unique for her, in a good location, for $17,000, a little over the average Los Angeles house price of 1955."

-excerpt by Richard Woollen
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I'm always amazed that the temperate climate of southern California allows an architect to design a continuous indoor-outdoor pool,
that's only separated by a pane of glass (& the glass stops at the surface of the water!)


Just last night on TCM, I watched a movie that took place in such a house in Los Angeles. A young Peter Fonda swims (nude) from the inside to the outside
(under a pane of glass like I mentioned earlier). In this particular house there was also a small footbridge.*

The movie was Roger Corman's "The Trip" (1967)

Here are a few screen-grabs (there was no establishing shot, so I don't have a good photo of the house itself)

*sidenote: this is no Neutra; the house is all kinds of 70s TACKY.







I'll treat this as the establishing shot.

co-star Bruce Dern


Outside the window there appears to be a look-out point where the two cars are parked.

I wonder if this is the Lookout Mountain / Wonderland area?






Here's Bruce Dern on the aforementioned footbridge. ewwww....it's carpeted....with Shag! (it seems everything was carpeted back in the 1970s; sometimes even the walls!)



That squiggly thing in the water is Peter Fonda





Peter swims under a wall (I only thought it was glass) and ends up on the outside.







Bruce pulls Peter out of the pool. Peter's having a bad trip.



I just noticed the ugly chain-link fence and gate.



In this dramatic shot, you see a tiny bit of the residence on the left. There appears to be a slight curvature (on the house)



I wasn't going to post the screengrabs today, but when I saw the indoor/outdoor pool in Hoss's Schulman post,
I thought that was too much of a coincidence to overlook.
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There's another, more intriguing house that's used as a location in "The Trip".
I'll post about it later tonight.

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Thanks for all the background information on the Perkins House, e_r.


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We're back at USC for this Julius Shulman post. I've skipped over a few photosets of university buildings, but I liked the contrast in these shots. This is "Job 3589: William L. Pereira and Associates, University of Southern California, Olin Hall of Engineering (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1963". I've left out two images which are very similar to two below. It looks like I can at full size again tonight!







This is the only interior shot.



All from Getty Research Institute

The building is still standing on the corner of Downey Way and McClintock Avenue.


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I couldn't duplicate Mr Shulman's angles with GSV, so here's a view of one of the entrances.


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I just happened upon this thread after discovering the pictured newspaper clipping and wondering if anyone knew more about this establishment. The clipping was found in some newspaper that my grandfather had wrapped around some glassware... dated Jan 31st, 1950. The artwork is a total crack up.



Hope this kicks off some more discussion. Also, this is my first post here - Apologies for any missteps in posting etiquette.

-RD
Welcome to noirish Los Angeles Rdavidson! That 1950 ad you found for the Toddle House is great. Thanks for sharing it with us.

I noticed my image of the matchbook was missing. I was going to replace it, but I couldn't find it again
(which is too bad since it had an illustration of the Toddle House).

...but I found a different matchbook.




below: -not sure why the S's are backward.


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/521432463078057362/

inside the cover


Did anyone happen to save a copy of the matchbook with the illus. of the Toddle house?
I'd like to replace it in my earlier post.
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Nathan Masters/KCET


Just ran across this story, out today--from "one of our own" (and not just any "one of our own"- a true L.A. history pro):

https://www.kcet.org/shows/lost-la/h...-los-angeles-0
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Also ran across this great graphic in the 1942 CD... apparently once across from the Parker Center... or where the PC was built.
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While looking for a a photo of the building in the 1942 advert, I found this picture which is labeled "Architectural rendering of the Carter Hardware Co. located at 125 N. Los Angeles St., in Los Angeles, CA", yet the number on the front is 1137.


Pasadena Digital History Collaboration

The 1962 CD lists Carter Hardware at 1137 S Los Angeles Street, so I'm guessing that that's what we're looking at in the picture above. I don't know if it was ever built exactly like the rendering, but the current building has about the same proportions.


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I had never heard of Townsendites until I happened across this photograph earlier today on eBay.

"The Third National Convention of the Townsendites at the Los Angeles Coliseum, 6/19/38.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-Press-P...gAAOSwMr1XPQ6O



detail


They look like elderly vikings.




Truth be told, they're followers of Dr. Francis Townsend (below, looking rather central casting-ish) and his revolving old age pension proposal during the Great Depression.




"In September 1933, Townsend wrote a letter to the editor of the local newspaper (the Long Beach Press-Telegram) and launched his career as an old-age activist.
Townsend employed the techniques of real estate salesmanship to gain support for the Townsend Plan. Soon there were organizers in almost every state seeking
to create Townsend Plan programs."


You can read more about the Townsend Plan here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Townsend

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The Cheetah was originally the Aragon Ballroom, where big band and swing dances were held in the '40s and '50s. Also, Western swing bands of Spade Cooley and Bob Wills and others played there too. There used to be a large country western and Western swing audience in the LA area, dances and clubs all over.

Good line up at the cheetah in that photo: Moby Grape, Spirit and Genesis. A great show.

If I recall correctly, the building burned down in the early '70s.
Thanks Slauson Slim.

With the information you provided I was able to find this really clever poster.



http://www.theoriginalglenbuxton.com...goncheetah.jpg




snapshot 1967








fans


http://www.westcoastfog.com/west-coast-branch/







http://www.westcoastfog.com/wp-conte...clubflickr.jpg





Earlier days:

Lining up to see Lawrence Welk.



Here's some history (some of this has been discussed in the earlier days of the thread)

"The ballroom and the pier, named Lick's Pier, was erected in 1922. Lick's Pier was located at the foot of Navy Street adjoining the south side of the Pickering Pier. Lick's Pier was, in 1922, almost entirely in Venice. It was 800 feet long and 225 feet wide. At the opening of Lick's Pier and the Bon Ton Ballroom on Easter weekend 1922, the ballroom was 22,000 square feet, and the pier featured a Zip roller coaster, a Dodge'em, Caterpillar rides, and Captive Aeroplane rides. Development, costing $250,000, commenced in 1921 and was financed by Charles Jacob Lick (1882–1971), Austin Aloysius McFadden (1875–1960), and George William Leihy (1865–1940)."

"Schooler, whose Swing Shift Dances had originally been held at the nearby Casino Gardens, signed a 10-year lease in 1942 for the old Ocean Park venue, which was said to have 1,500 electric lights and 14,000 square feet of floor space, from owner Charles Lick. Schooler renamed it the Aragon, then spent some $50,000 to refurbish it."

"By August 1943, the 25-year-old Schooler was earning $55 a week as a toolmaker at Douglas Aircraft Co. in Santa Monica during the graveyard shift, a job which he later claimed he retained to protect himself from the wartime draft. But the balance of his reported $250,000-a-year gross income came from his several roles as dance hall impresario, bandleader and promoter, which by August 1943 included seven nights a week at the Aragon Ballroom, Friday and Saturday nights with the Swing Shift Dances (12:30 a.m. to 5 a.m.) at the nearby Casino Gardens, monthly dances for African-Americans at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles and barn dancing in the Plantation Ballroom in Culver City."

"Billboard magazine reported in July 1944 that "cowboy outfits" such as Spade Cooley and Bob Wills had been, and would continue to be, booked to play at the ballroom."

"The Aragon was later known as the hall where Lawrence Welk and his big band, the "Champagne Music Makers," parlayed a scheduled four-week engagement in spring 1951 into a ten-year stint and a noted television show. Welk's orchestra played to crowds numbering as high as 7,000. Klaus Landsberg, the manager of Los Angeles television station KTLA, offered Welk the opportunity to appear on television, and on May 11, 1951, the station began broadcasting a weekly show live from the Aragon featuring Welk's band. The show evolved into The Lawrence Welk Show, broadcast each Saturday night on ABC."

"Welk’s stint at the Aragon ended in 1955, when he moved The Lawrence Welk Show to a television studio in Hollywood. The Aragon soon went into decline. Around 1967 it became the Cheetah Club, where bands including The Doors, Alice Cooper (then called Nazz), and Pink Floyd played. It was destroyed by fire on May 26, 1970."



after the fire.



The Bon Ton Ballroom: 1922–1942

1922–1924: Harry Baisden and His Bon Ton Orchestra
1924–1925: Ben Pollack and His Bon Ton Orchestra
The Aragon Ballroom: 1942–1967

1944: Spade Cooley
1944: Bob Wills
1951–1955: Lawrence Welk
Cheetah Club: 1967–1970

1969: Black Pearl
Charles Wright & the Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band
The Grateful Dead
The Standells
The Doors
The Leaves
Iron Butterfly
Pink Floyd
Alice Cooper





some info. from-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon...ca,_California)

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1934 - 815 East Washington Blvd.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/43281







2015 - 815 East Washington Blvd.
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Vineyard Junction /Pico-Rimpau turnout?

Coincidentally, Car 3151 seems to be heading toward East First Street. Similar style car, No. 3144, pictured below, also has the same East First Street indicator. The street car's orientation may not completely match up in my mind's eye; however, a certain "W.E. Cooper" retail lumber and building materials was once located at 4650 W Pico Blvd. HossC and others explored the area without mentioning WE Cooper, not that there was much reason to do so. http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...04#post6554104 In the early '80s, the same 4650 address was occupied by Builders Emporium. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7538


"Cars Leave Here"
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...icoRimlau5.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...405%2520PM.jpg


http://harrymarnell.net/rimpausky.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=22050

More Rimpau Loop ('48 ?)
http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...loop-10-48.jpg



Vineyard Junction appears to have been home to many building suppliers, including W.E.Cooper. Look carefully. (Pay no attention to the fire extinguishing apparatus. Wig Wag reminds everyone to extinguish all smoking materials near the Junction! Photo likely taken from San Vicente-Pico viaduct)
http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...co-undated.jpg





1932 - 4656 West Pico Blvd.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/49405










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Overheard a silly rehash of an argument about "known" poltergeists at the Spanish Kitchen, which as most know, sat frozen for years in a cloud of cob webs and whispers. Using a vacuum and transforming the Kitchen into a spa seems to have dispelled the myths. This rekindled a memory of another haunting image at nearby 316 S. La Brea.


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A beautiful building that has its fair share of rumored hauntings is the Petroleum Securities Building 714 W. Tenth Ave. a.k.a. Olympic built in '25 by Ed Doheny, Sr.



Can't recall many, if any, interior shots. Very tasteful and in some respects (fit and finish) respects a chip off the old Bradbury.

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...g.+-+Lobby.jpg











1925
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/68032













Previously captured by HossC
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The full picture shows the 1925 Petroleum Building at Olympic and Flower. In 1940 it housed the General Motors Acceptance Corporation and Security First National Bank on the first floor.


USC Digital Library

Behind the Petroleum Building was a another Associated gas station. It's now a parking lot.


Detail of picture above.

Today, the Petroleum Building and the Standard Oil Building (behind the camera) are probably the only surviving buildings that would have been visible from this intersection in 1940. From this angle, the Ritz-Carlton is just out of sight.


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1938
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104238.jpg





1949
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104356.jpg




1927
The Pan-Gas Service Station on the southeast corner of 10th and Flower streets in Los Angeles.





1925
https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...etsecurity.jpg



Flexibility. Smooth throttling-down. Flashing speed.
https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...s-1926-ad1.jpg



Shadowing the Immanual Presbeterian Church (Demolished in '29, so that automobiles could receive a different type of spirit.) https://jhgraham.com/2015/08/31/imma...ties-building/
https://jhgrahambooks.files.wordpres...eterian281.jpg



How 'bout a nice cup of refined light crude?


Circa '20, per source
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/F/C28H...001&format=999





Swingspout
https://img0.etsystatic.com/133/0/10...82864_5isy.jpg



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The learning curve is ill defined and littered with ever-changing links.


Three year old reposts of Bullock's Wilshire construction, courtesy of CSL until the link is changed, again. http://catalog.library.ca.gov/F/H83Q...019&format=999

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The title of this Julius shulman photoset intrigued me. It's "Job 5306: Fong, Jung, Nakaba and Associates, Wilshire Square Building, Pocket Garden (Los Angeles, Calif.),1976". Am I the only one who didn't know there was a pocket garden on Wilshire? Behind the circular Hamburger Hamlet sign is the Tishman Building at 3325 Wilshire Boulevard. The Shulman pictures I posted of that building show this area 20 years earlier, before the pocket garden and the building on the right were constructed.



This set contains a lot of duplication, but this is the best picture of the fountain.



Here's a color shot to finish. It includes the Texaco Building from post #34832.



All from Getty Research Institute

The pocket garden is still there, but the fancy fountain seems to have stopped or been reduced in size. Does anyone know if it's still working?


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It was 1953 when the last Pacific Electric streetcars traveled between downtown Los Angeles and the Santa Monica shore. On Friday, that popular old route was reborn with the extension of the Expo Line across a territory whose major thoroughfares now are routinely jammed, bumper to bumper.

Pacific Electric Car 1299 crossing Motor Avenue on the way to Santa Monica, September 27, 1953.


Metro Library and Archive / Photographer Alan Weeks


The entire METRO Route with the seven new stops that opened yesterday.

KABC7


A crowd of people gather at the Seventh Street Metro Station to await the arrival of the first Expo Line train to take passengers from downtown Los Angeles to Santa Monica since 1953.


Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times


People wind their way through a huge line to board a Metro Expo Line train on its first day of service in Santa Monica.


Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times

It is noted "surfboards" are allowed on the Metro Line, "if there is room."

Los Angeles County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl, alluding to the Pacific Electric, called the opening “sort of back to the future.”

Also alluding to the Pacific Electric in the platform designs:



Souvenir Tap Card:




P.E. Red Car arriving in Santa Monica on Ocean Blvd. c. 1950

Metro Library and Archive

Rides were FREE yesterday and also all day today.

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Exciting day for L.A!

I read where the ride takes about 50 minutes from downtown to Santa Monica. Is that about right M P?
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I just happened across this fantastic original(!) negative on eBay.

"Route 8 at Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles California, May 31, 1948."



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...EAAOSwYmZXNWkx

Giovanni Piuma's Grocery Store was located at 608 N. Spring Street. (partially behind the streetcar)

We've seen the Hotel Pacific (the Hotel Atlantic is next door) numerous times on NLA, but this view is one of a kind.

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Here's a photograph from way back on page 600-something.

My red arrow points to the Hotel Pacific.


Go here for street information relating to the above photograph.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12517
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