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Old Posted Nov 12, 2019, 7:41 PM
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Don't be. Sometimes the people of Sudbury deserve all the ribbing they get.



(I grew up there - the locals can be pretty backwoods types, I've occasionally referred to Northern Ontario as the Appalachia of Canada)
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2019, 7:58 PM
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Wealth is hard to define and any sort of tax on it is therefore pretty nonspecific and usually ineffective applying to those the tax was first created. It's just a dumb thing to try and tax.
It depends on the type of wealth. Land is easier than income to tax since ownership depends on title. I think we probably should shift more of the tax burden onto land.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2019, 8:15 PM
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It depends on the type of wealth. Land is easier than income to tax since ownership depends on title. I think we probably should shift more of the tax burden onto land.
Only if the tax burden can be passed on to the tenants. As you put more burdens on owners less want to own and thus we have less rental and commercial supply.

You cannot simply shift wealth from owners to tenants without consequences.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2019, 8:18 PM
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Side note: wouldn't you like to see something like this built in and docked at Halifax, and flying the Maple Leaf? This is the Visby corvette, the world's first fully stealth attack ship, built right here in Malmö.

I am increasingly of the view that these things matter.

We did the Halifax frigates in the '70s, but that was quite a while ago now.
Our National Shipbuilding Program is an attempt to address the bolded issue.
As for the Visby, well its a nice inshore craft, lots of problems integrating the armaments, no organic helicopter. Our navy is a blue water navy and we need multipurpose frigates to be able to carry out the multitude of duties and responsibilities that the GoC demands of the RCN.

We did have a vibrant warship building program in the 50's and early 60's which produced various classes of ships we called the "Cadillacs" due to their luxurious accommodations for the crew at the time.

These ships brought in new designs such as a rounded bow to counteract icing and a pre-wet system for transiting through a nuclear fall-out area. Canada also pioneered the operations of large helicopters on small deck ships. An idea that our allies thought was impossible.

We built a bunch of these ships in batches that allowed us to upgrade the capabilities rather cheaply.


Restigouche Class

Chaudiere
Gatineau
St. Croix
Restigouche
Kootenay
Terra Nova
Columbia



Mackenzie Class

Mackenzie
Saskatchewan
Qu'Appelle
Yukon



St Laurent Class (converted from a DDE to a DDH)

St. Laurent
Fraser
Saguenay
Skeena
Margaree
Assiniboine



Annapolis Class (first purpose built aircraft carrying destroyer for the RCN)

Annapolis
Nipigon



At the same time we built the Avro Jetliner the first passenger jet aircraft in NA



And then there was the famous Avro Arrow, which was a marvel of engineering that started to be designed in March of 1955 and rolled out of the production facility in October 1957 an amazing 31 months later!



Then Sputnik happened, Canada decided that medicare and social services were more important than having a large military. The engineers from AVRO went to NASA and the CAF unification put a death knell on our warship building industry.

Those were heady days for a nation riding an unsustainable high (?) caused by our performance in WWII. If we spent more energy encouraging and building our regions up instead of screaming how stupid our brothers and sisters in Western/Prairie/Central/Atlantic/North of 60 are maybe we could reach those heady heights again?
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2019, 8:31 PM
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Those were heady days for a nation riding an unsustainable high (?) caused by our performance in WWII. If we spent more energy encouraging and building our regions up instead of screaming how stupid our brothers and sisters in Western/Prairie/Central/Atlantic/North of 60 are maybe we could reach those heady heights again?
I think most Canadians would be incredibly supportive of a push towards sustainable transportation industries including electric planes and ships.

I know this is going to get a lot of skepticism but I also think we should encourage research and development of small scale nuclear for use in icebreakers and other ships. I don't think we will ever trust a private company to operate a nuclear powered ship but I could see public ownership of a company that uses nuclear powered freighters and icebreakers. Freighters get so big now that a nuclear powered one would save a lot of pollution and be very useful. We could perhaps make it modular so that the freighter part is left at the destination and the engine ship tows another freighter right away.

I'm unsure about having nuclear powered planes. In the end we don't want radioactive material being distributed in our atmosphere. But also an extra-large plane that goes back and forth between major destinations would be very useful and be very beneficial for the environment.

Imagine if just 5 of these babies were going between BC and Asia 24/7.



I feel like Canada as a whole has a lot of "brainpower" that we don't fully exploit because we're a bit squeamish and we're more focused on theory rather than execution. I feel like we don't link our education with our economy, basically we don't push our universities to research things that would benefit us directly. I suspect if we put our minds to it we could develop a reasonable reactor that takes up less room than the gas tank in a container ship while producing more energy within the next 5 years with another 4-5 years to build the ship and the reactor.

Also I believe Canada has a lot of potential that we are losing out on due to a poor trans-canada rail network. We definitely need to invest significantly in rail. People should be taking trains to travel across Canada not cars. I'm shocked that we use trucks to ship things instead of trains. Given that Canada's population distribution is is long and skinny you'd think we'd have a rail network that is the envy of the world thats all electric. Quebec City to Windsor makes up 94% of train traffic in Canada, isn't that crazy?

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I think it has to do is that Canadian firms that are successful 9 times out of 10 their end goal is to produce products that can sell in the American market because it is 10 times larger so they create bland non nationalistic names and logos because they need to compete in that marketplace which is very nationalistic and hesitant to foreign brands. In Europe because it is so many different markets of much smaller scale it is easier to have more nationalistic brands as everyone recognizes and celebrates the various cultures in Europe because they are on more of a level playing field population wise to a degree.
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Wealth is hard to define and any sort of tax on it is therefore pretty nonspecific and usually ineffective applying to those the tax was first created. It's just a dumb thing to try and tax.
There are several European countries that tried varying forms of a wealth tax and then reversed it when they found out it was ultimately ineffective.

A tiered VAT that falls more heavily on luxury/non-essential goods like Amazon, airBnb, airline tickets makes a lot more sense to me, because it's essentially impossible to avoid.

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I feel like Canada as a whole has a lot of "brainpower" that we don't fully exploit because we're a bit squeamish and we're more focused on theory rather than execution. I feel like we don't link our education with our economy, basically we don't push our universities to research things that would benefit us directly. I suspect if we put our minds to it we could develop a reasonable reactor that takes up less room than the gas tank in a container ship while producing more energy within the next 5 years with another 4-5 years to build the ship and the reactor.
I think I read somewhere that Ontario has the highest (or nearly the highest) percentage of adults with post-secondary education in the world. Feels like that should mean more than it does.

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Also I believe Canada has a lot of potential that we are losing out on due to a poor trans-canada rail network. We definitely need to invest significantly in rail. People should be taking trains to travel across Canada not cars. I'm shocked that we use trucks to ship things instead of trains. Given that Canada's population distribution is is long and skinny you'd think we'd have a rail network that is the envy of the world thats all electric. Quebec City to Windsor makes up 94% of train traffic in Canada, isn't that crazy?
Our population distribution is long and skinny precisely because our country was developed along railway lines.

People say that VIA service in the Prairies can't work because of distance, but VIA is already reasonably successful between Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal, and Calgary-Edmonton and Regina-Saskatoon are closer together than Toronto and Ottawa.
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Only if the tax burden can be passed on to the tenants. As you put more burdens on owners less want to own and thus we have less rental and commercial supply.

You cannot simply shift wealth from owners to tenants without consequences.
I think at the very least the $2000-3000 in homeowners tax credits should be scrapped unless the same credits are given to renters.

There should be incentives put in place for landlords to construct new units and them out at for fixed-rate rent thats raised no higher than the rate of inflation.
Of course, this would have to be complimented by cutting red tape on development.

In exchange with a contractual agreement for no rent hikes (beyond from the rate of inflation), the landlord would be able to evict non-paying or problem tenants within 1-2 weeks no questions asked.

Paying tenants who have not caused any noise , hoarding, or non-payment problems would be protected and the landlord would receive predictable rent.

It'd be a win-win for fair landlords and good tenants, and bad-apple "professional tenants" would get what they deserve.


But I dont think regular homeowners or buy and hold or AirBNB "investors" should be subsidized with tax credits at the expense of poor and/or struggling taxpaying renters. At least unless the govt decides to dole out the same credits for renters.
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I think at the very least the $2000-3000 in homeowners tax credits should be scrapped unless the same credits are given to renters.

There should be incentives put in place for landlords to construct new units and them out at for fixed-rate rent thats raised no higher than the rate of inflation.
Of course, this would have to be complimented by cutting red tape on development.

In exchange with a contractual agreement for no rent hikes (beyond from the rate of inflation), the landlord would be able to evict non-paying or problem tenants within 1-2 weeks no questions asked.

Paying tenants who have not caused any noise , hoarding, or non-payment problems would be protected and the landlord would receive predictable rent.

It'd be a win-win for fair landlords and good tenants, and bad-apple "professional tenants" would get what they deserve.


But I dont think regular homeowners or buy and hold or AirBNB "investors" should be subsidized with tax credits at the expense of poor and/or struggling taxpaying renters. At least unless renters get the exact same credits.
I think at a minimum it should be inflation+1%. It allows people who missed hiking it one year to catchup and an extra 1% won't burden tenants unnecessarily.
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This threads sound like yet another thinly veiled ploy to push national socialism.
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This threads sound like yet another thinly veiled ploy to push national socialism.
How so?
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How so?
This kind of thinking always leads to the idea that the government should subsidize some national vanity project to prove that we aren't part of Anglo-America.
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we have been subsidizing a national vanity project for decades, it's the O&G industry
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That is a hideous and inexplicable slur given the genocidal regime associated with that name.

What could possibly lead someone to associate advocating Canadian industry with Adolf Hitler???
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Entertainment is a big Canadian industry that is often overlooked. It doesn't take a lot of work to put together a lengthy list:

Alanis Morissette
Arcade Fire
Arkells
Avril Lavigne
Bachmann Turner Overdrive
Barenaked Ladies
Barking Dog Studios/Rockstar Vancouver
Billy Talent
Bioware
Blackbird Interactive Games
Bob Rock
Bryan Adams
Carly Rae Jepsen
Celine Dion
Cirque du Soleil
Club Penguin
Crash Test Dummies
David Foster
Deadmau5
Denis Villeneuve
Donald Sutherland
Drake
EA Canada (Montreal, Vancouver, Blackbox)
Edios-Montreal
Frank Gehry
Gordon Lightfoot
Heart
Hot Hot Heat
James Cameron
Jim Carrey
Justin Bieber
Keanu Reeves
Kid Koala
Kiefer Sutherland
Leonard Cohen
Loverboy
Margaret Atwood
Matthew Perry
Men Without Hats
Metric (band)
Michael Buble
Michael Cera
Neil Young
Nelly Furtado
Nickleback (sorry)
Our Lady Peace
Raffi
Relic Entertainment
Rockstar Toronto
Rush
Ryan Gosling
Ryan Reynolds
Sarah McLaughlin
Seth Rogan
Shania Twain
Shawn Mendes
Square Enix Montreal
The City and Colour
The Guess Who
The Sheepdogs
The Weeknd
Tom Cochrane
Ubisoft Montreal
Will Arnett (Come on!)
William Shatner
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 6:42 PM
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This threads sound like yet another thinly veiled ploy to push national socialism.
What makes you think that Canada isn't getting closer to going full blown socialist every year? Many of the powers and taxes the government justified due to the war were never revoked and they've just grown since.
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What makes you think that Canada isn't getting closer to going full blown socialist every year? Many of the powers and taxes the government justified due to the war were never revoked and they've just grown since.
You might want to google national socialism.
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That is a hideous and inexplicable slur given the genocidal regime associated with that name.

What could possibly lead someone to associate advocating Canadian industry with Adolf Hitler???
Because it's 2019.
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One of the problems Canada faces in terms of turning ideas into productive businesses is due to the bastions of capitalism................our banks. Canadian banks wouldn't loan a nickel for ideas if their lives depended on it. You need to sacrafice your left nut, your first born, and your sexual conquests just to get an interview and only after doing so will they book your next appointment circa 2065. This is because our banks have basically become nothing more than mortgage companies that enjoy a guaranteed 100% return plus interest thanks to being backed 100% by the taxpayers a la CMHC.

Until we get a banking system that is truly receptive to new ideas and companies, our businesses will have a very hard time establishing themselves and when they need large capitol to bring their products or ideas to market, they are forced to look for funding elsewhere.
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