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Originally Posted by pj3000
Take a look at what Cincinnati built in the 80s (on a smaller scale than Pittsburgh) vs what Cleveland built or what Buffalo built or what Detroit built.
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ok, let's take a look at the skyscrapers those cities built in the 80s.
400+ foot skyscrapers built between 1980 and the early '90s (the overrun extension of the late 80s building boom):
Cleveland:
1. Key Tower ---------------- 947'
2. 200 Public Square ------- 658'
3. One Cleveland Center --- 450'
4. Fifth Third Center -------- 446'
5 .PNC Center --------------- 410'
Pittsburgh:
1. BNY Mellon Center ------ 725'
2. One PPG Place ------------ 635'
3. Fifth Avenue Place -------- 616'
4. One Oxford Centre ------- 615'
5. EQT Plaza ----------------- 430'
Milwaukee:
1. 100 East Wisconsin --------- 495'
2. Milwaukee Center ----------- 426'
3. 411 East Wisconsin Center - 408'
Cincinnati:
1. Scripps Center ----------- 468'
2. Center 600 Vine --------- 418'
3. Chemed Center ---------- 410'
Detroit:
1. One Detroit Center ------ 619'
2. 150 West Jefferson ------ 455'
St. Louis
1. Metropolitan Square --- 593'
2. One AT&T Center --------588'
source: CTBUH
i'm not quite sure why you keep using cincy as some counter example to your point about the alleged lack of great lakes skyscrapers. cincy is no great shakes in the height game (basically the same size skyline as milwaukee). st. louis is another non-great lakes rust belt city that used to be one of the country's largest cities, but has long had an under-performing skyline.
the only real point that you have is that pittsburgh has been a bit of a skyline over-performer through the decades (and even then, cleveland was hanging with pittsburgh in the '80s), and i would agree with that point. two hypotheses that immediately jump out at me for that:
1. geography: the physical land area of the golden triangle is quite small (0.6 sq. miles). when a downtown runs out of land, which direction does it traditionally go?
2. few black people: pittsburgh did not receive a large amount of Great Migrants from the south, and hence didn't see the same level of white flight/core abandonment as a city like detroit did, for example.
if you want to dismiss chicago as a great lakes outlier, then i'm dismissing pittsburgh as a non-great lakes rust belt outlier.