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Old Posted May 6, 2017, 3:35 AM
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Six firms shortlisted for the design of the waterfront pier park.

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Participating design teams

The MBTW Group

MBTW is a multi-disciplinary landscape architecture, urban design and community planning firm located in Toronto that has been in business for over 40 years.
Other team members include: PWL Partnership; RAW Design; AMEC Foster Wheeler; Kirkland Engineering Ltd.; Blackwell Structural Engineers; Brad Golden & Co.; Beaches Irrigation; and A.W. Hooker Quantity Surveyors.

Hargreaves Associates

Hargreaves is a landscape architecture firm based in San Francisco, California, that has been in business for over 30 years.
Other team members include: Invizij Architects; MTE Consultants; Smart Watering Systems; Suzanne Powadiuk Design; Public Art Management (PAM); and A.W. Hooker Quantity Surveyors.

Janet Rosenberg & Studio

Janet Rosenberg & Studio is a landscape architecture and urban design studio with offices in Toronto and Vancouver.
Other team members include: Teeple Architects; Ombrages-Eclairage Public; Dew; exp Services Inc.; Art Strategies Inc.; Smart Watering Systems; and Turner & Townsend.

Forrec Ltd.

Forrec Ltd. is an entertainment design company based in Toronto comprised of specialists in the fields of creative arts, architecture, landscape architecture, interior design, and graphics. The firm’s landscape architecture studio was established in 2004.
Other team members include: CIMA+; exp Services Inc.; Creative Irrigation Solutions Inc. (CIS); Andrew Davies Public Art Consulting; and Altus.

PFS Studio

PFS is a planning, urban design and landscape architecture firm based in Vancouver and has been in business for over 30 years.
Other team members include: OMC Landscape Architecture; Bortolotto; public art consultant Ciara McKeown; Ombrages-Eclairage Public; SLA; exp Services Inc.; Creative Irrigation Solutions Inc. (CIS); and Hanscomb.

gh3

gh3, a Toronto based firm formed in 2005, is comprised of landscape architects, architects and designers.
Other team members include: Lightemotion; Applied Wayfinding; Moses Structural Engineers; Moon Matz; Fabian Papa Partners; Brad Golden & Co.; Creative Irrigation Solutions Inc. (CIS); and BTY.
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should focus on lakefront as being the official waterfront . Too many problems with harbour. Green algae. Smells. Railyards. Dust. Access. It is a working seaport.
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should focus on lakefront as being the official waterfront . Too many problems with harbour. Green algae. Smells. Railyards. Dust. Access. It is a working seaport.
The lakefront is also prone to smell issue, and cut off by the highway, and very far from the heart of the city.
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Plus the majority is either developed, in development, or parkland.

There's been some infill of newer homes and townhomes on the Beach Strip and there will probably be a bit more over time, but after what happened with The Dynes I doubt we'll ever see massive demos and clearing for any bigger development on that stretch of land. Confederation Park is untouchable for anything but recreational use and the limited commercial options that may be approved as the master plan is implemented (large parts of the park will change under that plan, but not into anything urban like West Harbour). The neighbourhoods eastward are mostly built out now except a few lots away from the shore, and the stuff now going in between Green and Millen roads.

As the city's other waterfront ("official" or primary if you prefer) it's probably reached or will soon reach the potential that the city and many residents see for it.

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Old Posted Jul 21, 2017, 12:20 AM
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DRESCHEL: LIUNA has an eye on Sarcoa

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-stor...eye-on-sarcoa/

Toronto investors aren't the only people interested in doing something with the troubled waterfront restaurant Sarcoa.

For several months last year, the Labourer's International Union of North America (LIUNA) negotiated buying out the restaurant's sublease from the owners, reportedly for up to $5 million.

According to LIUNA vice president Joe Mancinelli, the union "backed away" from the deal because of the Sarcoa's complex legal wrangle with the Hamilton Waterfront Trust (HWT).

But Mancinelli says LIUNA is still very much interested in the property, possibly for a combination commercial and residential development.

"We haven't really concluded anything or done anything, but we are still interested. It's a great, great property."

Sarcoa, which subleases the city-owned former Discovery Centre on Pier 8 from HWT, is suing the city and trust for $15-million for allegedly breaking their lease agreement by not permitting it to hold what it claims are financially essential patio music parties.

HWT, which denies the allegations, recently terminated Sarcoa's sublease for alleged "protracted breaches," prompting the owners to threaten further legal action and effectively casting into limbo what is widely seen as one of the harbour's première locations.

Meanwhile, The Spectator reported earlier this week that former mayor Larry Di Ianni, acting on behalf of an unidentified Toronto group, has given HWT a proposal which, among other things, would see the investors pay Sarcoa's rent for up to six months while they explore development possibilities on the site.

The HWT board has neither accepted nor dismissed the proposal. But, outside of calling a special board meeting, it's put off dealing with it until Sept. 12 — rather an odd response given Sarcoa's rent is a main source of revenue and that the trust currently owes the city some $384,000 in property taxes.

Interestingly, it turns out Di Ianni, who operates a consulting business, was also acting as the go-between during the LIUNA negotiations. Di Ianni says there are some similarities between the LIUNA and the current Toronto proposals but also some "real differences."

A definite offer to purchase the sublease may be one of those differences.

According to Sarcoa co-owner Sam Destro, LIUNA offered to buy out the lease for "between $3- and $5 million," the upper end of which is roughly what he and his partner claim to have invested in the property.

Destro says LIUNA walked away last December because "there were some logistics that they weren't comfortable with."

Although the Sarcoa sublease has been widely reported as a 10-year deal, it's actually a 20-year contract — with two five-year options — that commenced in 2012.

The length of the contract and the great location at the northwest corner of Pier 8 may go a long way in explaining why developers are interested in acquiring the sublease. It would give them a solid foothold amid the looming wider residential and commercial redevelopment of Pier 8.

Although LIUNA was only negotiating with Destro and his partner, Marco Faiazza, HWT reportedly played along by agreeing to suspend all legal action against Sarcoa for the duration of the talks.

Mancinelli says LIUNA was acting in tandem with the Hi-Rise Group, its development partner on projects such as the Lister Block and the $40-million student tower that's going up next door.

He says the strife between the HWT, city and Sarcoa remains a big obstacle to exploring the "enormous potential" of the waterfront site.

"I can't think of any developer who wants to dive into the middle of that myriad of conflicts."

Once the legal battles are over, Mancinelli says, LIUNA would love to re-engage, even if it means taking part in a formal request for proposal process.

"That's fine. We're willing to compete. There's no problem there. But it needs to be a clean deal."

Hopefully, that may act as a bit of a wake-up call for all parties: A sense of urgency and leadership might go a long way right about now.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2017, 1:14 AM
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City say 13 teams want to develop Pier 8

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/7...evelop-pier-8/

Thirteen teams of private developers are vying for a chance to buy and build on Hamilton's Pier 8.

The city announced Friday that the request for qualifications (RFQ) closed July 10, and that the teams who submitted formal prequalification submissions are made up of 31 Ontario-based firms.

"Our team is thrilled with responses to the Pier 8 RFQ," Chris Phillips, the city's senior adviser of the West Harbour redevelopment project, said in a media release.

"Both the quantity and quality of the submissions reinforce the belief that the City's West Harbour Re-Development is a transformative 'City-Building' project."

The RFQ stage, which opened in April, will end with the announcement of a shortlist of interested bidders.

Teams on the shortlist, which is expected to be revealed mid-September, will be invited to participate in the request for proposals (RFP) stage.

The RFQ was the first step in a two-stage process offering private developers the chance to buy and build on 5.24 hectares of land integrated with a public recreational waterfront.

The RFP stage will focus on conceptual proposals and financial bids.

As part of the redevelopment project, the city hopes to create 1,500 residential units and 140,000 square feet of new commercial buildings and institutional space in nine development blocks that reach the water's edge.

The entire solicitation project is expected to wrap up in 2018.

The redevelopment is expected to generate $44-46 million in municipal tax revenue between 2020 and 2030.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 10:21 PM
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Shortlisted designs for new Pier 8 waterfront park to be unveiled
The Promenade Park, as it’s conceived, is part of an overall Pier 7 and 8 redesign the city is undertaking

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...iled-1.4238929

What should the new Pier 8 park space look like? You'll have a chance later this month and during Supercrawl to have your say on six shortlisted teams' proposed designs.

The Promenade Park, as it's conceived, is part of an overall Pier 7 and 8 redesign the city is undertaking.

It's envisioned as a 30-metre-wide strip of public space along the north and east edges of Pier 8.

Hamilton planners see it as an "accessible, inclusive, diverse and mixed-use waterfront district" and the park is "integral" in that.

"The waterfront in Hamilton is a once-in-a-generation opportunity," said Aidan Johnson, Ward 1 councillor, when the contest for the park was announced in April. "It has to be beautiful."

The city has enlisted a jury of architects, planners and art and design experts to judge the shortlisted design proposals. They'll be judging on the following criteria:

* design excellence
* innovation
* response to the vision and goals for the park
- community opinions

That last one is where you come in. The designs will be unveiled in two weeks with a special showcase happening at the Art Gallery of Hamilton the afternoon of Thursday, Aug. 24.

But then the designs will be available to look at and comment on at the Lister Block for the rest of the month and through Supercrawl weekend, Sept. 10.

More about the design teams shortlisted for the park, as well as details about the objectives for the space, are available on the city's website.

The city expects to announce the winning design in mid-September.

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A winning design should have outlet mall/strip mall on the main floors..
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2017, 4:56 PM
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GH3:


Hargreaves:


Janet Rosenberg Studio:


PFS:


MTBW:


Forrec:


I enjoy GH3's design the most.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2017, 9:44 PM
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Take a first peek at designs for the city's waterfront Pier 8 park

City planners have released a batch of preview images highlighting six proposals for the promenade at Pier 8.

They're also hosting a big reveal of the full proposals on Thursday, from 12:45 p.m. to 4:30 p.m., in the Joey and Toby Pavilion at the Art Gallery of Hamilton, which is the glass pavilion space next to the sculpture garden.

After that, the images will be posted to the city's website for your perusal and comments. And they'll also be up in the Lister Block during Supercrawl.

The Promenade Park, as it's conceived, is part of an overall Pier 7 and 8 redesign the city is undertaking.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...park-1.4258944
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2017, 9:51 PM
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I do really love Janet Rosenberg's proposal "Cove", though I'm afraid that pier addition could easily go over budget as it did for Burlington.

My second pick is GH3 (Pier 8 Escarpment Park), I do like the idea of combining the escarpment along the park.

I feel like if you want a really well detailed and hits all of the important elements of a design plan, the MBTW proposal probably fits the bill.
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I must say, after examining all of these proposals, I really like the first one (Forrec Ltd.)
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I must say, after examining all of these proposals, I really like the first one (Forrec Ltd.)
Forrec is nice but feels VERY Vancouver, I like the gh3 myself.
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Very cool stuff.

I like various elements of several proposals.
I LOVE the industrial looking cranes in Forrec, but don't like the large steel walls cutting off views and flow along the park. I do like the kids park here tho.

I love the container village in GH3, but find the rest of it boring. The last thing we need is another 'naturalized' spot of land on our waterfront. That's ALL WE EVER DO here. We need a vibrant, exciting, amenity-filled urban waterfront. Not more bloody grass.

My favourite is probably Rosenberg. I LOVE waterfront piers. It's a European-feeling waterfront with that angled bridge/walkway. And I love all the tiered seating and upper/lower viewing areas. The rubber dome play things can be replaced with proper kids parks on at least one of the locations. Love the beach area, and interactive water jet fountains and REALLY like the public pool jutting out into the harbour.

In a perfect world, I would take Rosenberg and add some of the elements from Forrec.

All in all, really awesome designs tho....
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I'm also going for that Forrec design because it has a Hamilton feel to it with the rust and I feel like the other designs are way too sterile and boxy. I really don't want to see Hamilton's waterfront turn into glass and steel bullshit like Toronto. The MTBW design would probably be my second choice.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2017, 4:54 PM
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GH3 gets my vote because it feels the most mature and refined. I really, really don't want a cheesy or tacky waterfront, and I worry that some of the elements from these proposals will look super dated or worn out in a few seasons. Also love that the design of the structure itself is enough to engage visitors without needing brightly coloured shipping themed imagery.

I love the infinity pool fed by a waterfall over the edge of the terraced concrete steps, and how it flows under a steel mesh bridge before reaching the swimming area. I love how the lighting is integrated into the ground/concrete, and GH3 has proposed the most extensive/diverse selection of plants out of any of the proposals. The wetlands are also lovely, and I appreciate that they're proposing xeriscape lawn seed mix. Reminds me of this waterfront in Croatia.



Cove has a lot of empty space if you take away the render people and ignore the paving patterns.

PFS is literally all about that corner structure, the rest is super plain (literally the only design to use actual benches as seating)

MTBW is intriguing, I like the elevated ish walkway over the naturalized plantings.

Forrec looks like a children's amusement park, and I'm not convinced it won't end up as some tired replica of Ontario Place/Centreville in a decade.

I appreciate the landscaping from Hargreaves as well as their intense focus on framing views.
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it seems like the pier is being planned independently of the development blocks. A lot of those developments will be commercial and that will include shops, restaurants, cafes, etc. Hopefully those commercial uses will be integrated with the public space, in the same way that Williams is or Sarcoa is (or was). Particularly next to the 'greenway' connecting the east and west sides of the pier. I like the Forrec and Rosenberg designs because they include a public space at the eastern end of that greenway. Hopefully, that northeasterly block will have commercial zoning, or maybe a public facility like a rec centre, which would work beautifully with the promenade.
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