Rural Commuter Rail

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Judging by a Whois lookup someone changed the domain's nameservers today (the 22nd). They got reset to default. Either a random accident or perhaps the end of MOOSE?

Or they didn't have enough money to pay for domain name registration?

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Judging by a Whois lookup someone changed the domain's nameservers today (the 22nd). They got reset to default. Either a random accident or perhaps the end of MOOSE?

Their site is now back up.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

Their site is now back up.

Yeah

Based on the whois data everything got changed back to what it was before, so it seems like it was just an accident.

And now the wait continues...

[OCCheetos]

This report done for the Government of Québec contains a section outlining the possibility of VIA/AMT sharing the Mount Royal Tunnel with REM trains. (Section 6.4.5). It concludes that there is precedent for a waiver to be granted in order to share the tunnel.

I know MOOSE wasn't and probably won't ever plan to share the tracks with the existing Trillium line, but I thought I'd just throw it out there.

[GoTrans]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I know MOOSE wasn't and probably won't ever plan to share the tracks with the existing Trillium line, but I thought I'd just throw it out there.

You've got it backwards. It is the City of Ottawa, owner of the POW bridge and the Trillium line right of way that does not want to share with MOOSE not the other way around.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by GoTrans

You've got it backwards. It is the City of Ottawa, owner of the POW bridge and the Trillium line right of way that does not want to share with MOOSE not the other way around.

I know, I was referring to the feasibility of running the Trillium Line trains with heavy rail commuter trains at the same time. There were regulatory questions about it. Whether either side would actually agree to share the track is unrelated.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I know, I was referring to the feasibility of running the Trillium Line trains with heavy rail commuter trains at the same time. There were regulatory questions about it. Whether either side would actually agree to share the track is unrelated.

One of the big differences between the Mount Royal tunnel and the Trillium line is the tunnel is double tracked, which is much safer than single track. To make absolutly sure, they would likely also have to implement Positive train control (PTC).

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by roger1818

One of the big differences between the Mount Royal tunnel and the Trillium line is the tunnel is double tracked, which is much safer than single track. To make absolutly sure, they would likely also have to implement Positive train control (PTC).

For sure on the PTC.
Double tracking the Trillium line isn't impossible, just expensive.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Double tracking the Trillium line isn't impossible, just expensive.

Agreed. The city doesn't seem to want to spend the money on that and I don't know if Moose could raise enough to do that.

[Truenorth00]

Is MOOSE still alive?

Weren't they supposed to have financing all lined up with their Chinese investors?

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Is MOOSE still alive?

Weren't they supposed to have financing all lined up with their Chinese investors?

Their website is still being maintained and they're still active on Facebook. So, alive? Yes.

No clue about their financing though.

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Their website is still being maintained and they're still active on Facebook. So, alive? Yes.

No clue about their financing though.

And, doesn't appear the CTA is rushing to provide a ruling on the bridge/Bayview situation. Meanwhile, the City continues to execute its regional plan which is council-approved and fully funded.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

And, doesn't appear the CTA is rushing to provide a ruling on the bridge/Bayview situation. Meanwhile, the City continues to execute its regional plan which is council-approved and fully funded.

Unless the city is planning on tearing up more tracks (which it isn't) I don't think it matters much to MOOSE.

MOOSE sees itself as an extension of the existing rail service in Ottawa, and Stage 2 would become part of that.

Even if you think that MOOSE wouldn't actually treat Stage 2 that way (I imagine some might think that MOOSE would effectively "cancel" or"abandon" stage 2 if they ever got operational), the Trillium line is still federally regulated and since MOOSE is choosing to take the federal government route, they would need to get government approval to abandon that portion of the line which I think is less likely than MOOSE becoming operational.

Of course, some official word on that from MOOSE would be appreciated.

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Unless the city is planning on tearing up more tracks (which it isn't) I don't think it matters much to MOOSE.

MOOSE sees itself as an extension of the existing rail service in Ottawa, and Stage 2 would become part of that.

Even if you think that MOOSE wouldn't actually treat Stage 2 that way (I imagine some might think that MOOSE would effectively "cancel" or"abandon" stage 2 if they ever got operational), the Trillium line is still federally regulated and since MOOSE is choosing to take the federal government route, they would need to get government approval to abandon that portion of the line which I think is less likely than MOOSE becoming operational.

Of course, some official word on that from MOOSE would be appreciated.

I have my doubts the City of Ottawa and its leadership sees MOOSE that way with respect to the compatibility for stage 2.

[Joseph Potvin]

The MOOSE is alive and well.

We met several key allies and stakeholders at this past Friday's "Canadian Railway Club Annual Gala"
https://canadianrailwayclub.ca/event/annual-dinner/

There's nothing I can share on a public blog at this time though. Sorry about that, but we do need to respect the confidentiality of other parties. We hope to provide public updates soon.

We can just offer the comment that step-wise financing discussions are advancing from a different private-sector source than was explored last year.

Joseph Potvin
Director General | Directeur général
Moose Consortium (Mobility Ottawa-Outaouais: Systems & Enterprises) | www.letsgomoose.com
Consortium Moose (Mobilité Outaouais-Ottawa: Systèmes & Enterprises) | www.onyvamoose.com
joseph.potvin@letsgomoose.com
joseph.potvin@onyvamoose.com
Mobile: 819-593-5983

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by Joseph Potvin

The MOOSE is alive and well.

We met several key allies and stakeholders at this past Friday's "Canadian Railway Club Annual Gala"
https://canadianrailwayclub.ca/event/annual-dinner/

There's nothing I can share on a public blog at this time though. Sorry about that, but we do need to respect the confidentiality of other parties. We hope to provide public updates soon.

We can just offer the comment that step-wise financing discussions are advancing from a different private-sector source than was explored last year.

Joseph Potvin
Director General | Directeur général
Moose Consortium (Mobility Ottawa-Outaouais: Systems & Enterprises) | www.letsgomoose.com
Consortium Moose (Mobilité Outaouais-Ottawa: Systèmes & Enterprises) | www.onyvamoose.com
joseph.potvin@letsgomoose.com
joseph.potvin@onyvamoose.com
Mobile: 819-593-5983

When potential funders ask what finalized legal arrangements, final CTA rulings, City Council approved/Provincial/Federal agreements you have to enable your idea, what do you tell them?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

When potential funders ask what finalized legal arrangements, final CTA rulings, City Council approved/Provincial/Federal agreements you have to enable your idea, what do you tell them?

[Charles5]

Well, while the MOOSE webpage may be up again, it's certainly not being maintained. There are numerous broken links and there have been no updates for a significant period of time.

I wrote an email to MOOSE (Joseph Potvin ) several months ago highlighting the broken links I had found and was informed that the issue would be dealt with, however no indication to date that any action has been taken.

The following links do not work.


-Sustainable Transit Finance through the Property-Powered RailOpen Development Model
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz47kauZsx60dUhQMDJvU1lnN3M/view?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-“Rails-with-Trails” Sustainable Transportation and You
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4...ew?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-“Rail Projects on the Rise” Panel Session (Canadian Urban Transit Association, 2014 Fall Conference)
http://cutaactu.ca/en/public-transit...e-Schedule.asp
404 Not Found

-Presentation File
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4...ew?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-Presentation File
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4...ew?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-Wakefield Community Centre
http://www.wakefieldcentre.ca/3155/climate-change-challenges-community-solutions-in-the-gatineau-hills-october-26-2014/
404 Error - Page not found

-Presentation File
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4...ew?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-Presentation File Video
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz47kauZsx60TXJ6U0RtQXhZRk0/view?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-14 October 2014: Invited Keynote to Open the Kanata Candidates Debate on “Building a Smarter City” (Ottawa Municipal Election 2014), Version 2.0
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz47kauZsx60UHdHbW94THZCMFE/view?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-22 September 2014: Invited Presentation to the Transportation Committee of the Ottawa Chamber of Commerce
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz47kauZsx60UzRzeTVMdWJtdTQ/edit?usp=sharing
File does not exist

-16 September, 2014: Property-Powered Rail in Open Markets
http://openrailproperty.org/
403 Forbidden

-Property-Powered Rail white paper
http://openrailproperty.org/images/propertypoweredrail-odm_jpotvin-uquebec_16sep2014PDF.pdf
403 Forbidden


On the following page:
https://www.letsgomoose.ca/media/

The following links:

-EN - July, 20th 2016 - Ottawa Business Journal
http://www.obj.ca/Local/2016-07-20/article-4593170/Full-steam-ahead-for-privately-owned-passenger-railway/1
Page not found

-EN - June 2016 - Green Party of Ontario
https://gpo.ca/support-passenger-rai...capital-region
Page not found

-EN - June 2017 - Ottawa Citizen
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/transpo...4212/story.html
Page not found

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Charles5

Well, while the MOOSE webpage may be up again, it's certainly not being maintained. There are numerous broken links and there have been no updates for a significant period of time.

I wrote an email to MOOSE (Joseph Potvin ) several months ago highlighting the broken links I had found and was informed that the issue would be dealt with, however no indication to date that any action has been taken.

The following links do not work.


...

Some of those aren't maintained by Mr. Potvin or by MOOSE, but a few (or just one actually) of those can still be found in the wayback machine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161021...capital-region

[Kitchissippi]

So maybe all the city needs to do for the time being is put up a sign at the end of the Trillium Line track