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Old Posted Jul 27, 2015, 2:38 PM
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I need you guys to contact the writers of this article for writing such blatant trash...

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The headline read "Supertall Skyscrapers Are Tormenting New Yorkers"...

http://www.amny.com/news

New Yorkers anguished by proliferation of 'supertall' skyscrapers
Since 2005, 16 of NYC's tallest buildings have broken ground in Manhattan.






By CARLA SINCLAIR AND. IVAN PEREIRA
July 27, 2015


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New York City is known for its iconic skyline -- one that is changing rapidly, whether New Yorkers like it or not.

Aptly nicknamed "supertalls," a proliferation of buildings towering well over 800 feet have been cropping up in Manhattan and quickly: since 2005, 16 of the city's tallest buildings have broken ground in the borough, with more on the way.

And some neighbors aren't happy.

The area directly south of Central Park has six 1,000 foot-plus buildings complete or in the works, including 432 Park Avenue, currently the world's tallest residential building at 1,396 feet. The Nordstrom Tower on 57th Street plans to overtake it at 1,795 feet by 2018.

"It negatively impacts the infrastructure, because it adds density with no additional investment in the subway system [and] the big issue of the shadows these buildings are casting on Central Park," said Layla Law-Gisiko, who heads Manhattan Community Board 5's "Sunshine Task Force," which is looking into the surge in skyscrapers near the park.

These "supertalls" are possible due to zoning laws last updated in 1961, which don't limit building heights in the Central Park South neighborhoods, among others. Most supertall buildings currently in the works, like the Nordstrom Tower, don't require public input as they are built "as-of-right," and don't need approval from the City Planning Commission or Board of Standards and Appeals.

Transferable air space is also a major force behind the developments, according to Law-Gisiko.

"You can basically buy your neighbor's air space and build as high as you want," which sidesteps the lot's containment and accounts for the "super-skinny" aspect of these towers, she said.

Developers for the buildings One57, which stands 1,005 feet, 53W53, which is set to be 1,050 feet, 432 Park Avenue, and 220 Central Park South, which is set to be 920 feet, declined to comment.

Midtown isn't the only area dealing with the deluge of vertical developments.

Catherine McVay Hughes, the chairwoman for Community Board 1 in downtown Manhattan, said TriBeCa and the Financial District were always designed for skyscrapers including the new World Trade Center Towers.
However, newer residential buildings such as 30 Park Place and the upcoming 70 Pine Street are problematic because they make an already-expensive area even more unaffordable for everyday New Yorkers.

"With the changing neighborhood, we need to make sure the people who were the original pioneers still have the opportunity to live here," McVay Hughes said.

Meaghan Baron, a spokeswoman for the nonprofit the Municipal Arts Society, condemned zoning laws she called antiquated.

"Fifty years ago, towers weren't being built like this," she said.


Some residents are calling for a temporary moratorium on the buildings until the impacts on infrastructure and quality of life are studied.

Ken Herman, a musician who lives on Central Park, spoke of the impact on the area's classic, scenic views.

"People move here to get a view of the park and now the only way to do it is to block everybody else's view," he said.

At a July 23 meeting sponsored by City Councilman Ben Kallos to discuss a proposed 900-foot building on residential Sutton Place, Community Board 6 member Terrence O'Neal urged his residents to brush up on their knowledge of neighborhood zoning laws.

"Act now. There are many of these buildings going up now," he said.
State Senator Brad Hoylman, whose district includes 432 Park Avenue, agreed that zoning regulations needed a closer look in a rapidly changing Manhattan.

"There is widespread concern from the local community about their impact on neighborhood resources like open air, sunlight and park space," he said.

Not everyone, however, was concerned about the surge in towers, calling it a natural stage in the Big Apple's evolution.

Mitchell Moss, a professor of urban planning at NYU Wagner, noted that the city has no land to expand horizontally. So, the only place to go is up.

"Our skyscrapers are an essential parts of the city. New York is not a place where building tall buildings is new," he said.


Gary Malin, president of real estate group Citi Habitats, which marketed 900-foot New York by Gehry, agreed, but noted that change can be hard for longtime residents.

"When the Empire State Building was built, it probably wasn't liked that much by some people. But now it's an essential part of New York," he said.

Baron and other advocates acknowledge that the towers probably can't be stopped.

"We're not against tall buildings, at all," Baron said. "But there has to be a trade-off discussion with developers and the neighborhood, and how the development can give back to the community."
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2015, 4:30 PM
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Here are the graphics for that piece...

http://data.newsday.com/long-island/...nyc-buildings/

New York's rising skyline

At least 20 Manhattan skyscrapers of more than 800 feet have been completed since 2005 or are under construction. Here are the details. You can click on the map for details at any location, or mouse over or tap the bars to see the buildings they represent. Certain buildings that received approval but haven't broken ground are also included.



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Old Posted Jul 28, 2015, 11:41 AM
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NYC Skyline (Midtown) by Chante Etan, on Flickr


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The skyline is just massive!

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New Rendering for 30 Hudson:


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Best tower next to Steinway in this boom IMO. Awe inspiring, and its monolithic nature will captivate millions.
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 8:47 PM
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Mass Model of possible Brooklyn Supertall:


Credit: http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/150809951
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Will we have a recount of the newer possibilities soon?
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Supertall in brooklyn? WTF? that would be funny if this was real proposal
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2015, 11:18 AM
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Supertall in brooklyn? WTF? that would be funny if this was real proposal
This is just a placeholder of whats to come or may arise (really just a visual cue to see the impact that such a tower would have), but since the tower is as of right, Stern can build tall if he wants and he plans to do just that.
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Supertall in brooklyn? WTF? that would be funny if this was real proposal
It's very real. Same developer as 1440 ft. tower going up at 111 W. 57th.

Prices in Brooklyn are higher than in much of Manhattan these days. It was only a matter of time until supertalls crossed the river.
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Mass Model of possible Brooklyn Supertall:
That massing looks way too tall and bulky, around 1500ft, when the site can have a max of 600k sq ft of space.
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New Rendering for 30 Hudson:


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...187315&page=92

Best tower next to Steinway in this boom IMO. Awe inspiring, and its monolithic nature will captivate millions.
Wow. That's a gorgeous building. I can't wait to see it rise. I like the similarity between it and the similarly addressed 30 Hudson Street in Jersey City (Goldman Sachs).
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^^^^

I keep thinking 10 Hudson Yards is this tower but then realize that something even more dominating will rise. 10 Hudson already looks massive and so overpowering given the photos in the thread for it. From the street level it evokes power, and the influence that HY on a grand scale will have on the city. Next to Steinway, 30 Hudson is my second favorite (even more so then Nordstrom). Its really down to the design in my picks. Nordstrom aka Central Park Tower is okay, but 30 Hudson just has the ultra modern, futuristic look to it. This being IMO.
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when the site can have a max of 600k sq ft of space.
Don't say that here. Every site has "lots of air rights available" and could be a supertall or at least over 800' ft
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^^^^

It doesn't take 600k square footage to create a supertall. One could be created with much less. Its how they use they space, and how the design follows. You could have something be a supertall or 800 feet or greater with less than 400k. 432 Park isn't even 500k square feet.

In terms of the mass model, its main point is to give an idea even if its overshot. This is not a model by the developers, but by City Realty.
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Don't say that here. Every site has "lots of air rights available" and could be a supertall or at least over 800' ft
The majority of supertalls (and obviously 800+ ft. towers) u/c or announced in NYC have less than 600,000 square foot of space. Most have far less.

Heck, 111 W57 doesn't even have half that space, and is 1,430 ft. The only supertalls with more than 600k space are either bulky mixed use projects or office only projects.
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There's major potential at 20 Broad Street if Vornado purchases the office building and demolishes it for a residential building. The site has development rights, but the unused air rights on the old stock exchange buildings to the north amount to 230,100 square feet.

Vornado weighs converting lower Manhattan office building into residential



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August 10, 2015

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One of the city's largest commercial landlords is mulling a residential project in lower Manhattan.

Vornado Realty Trust, which owns more than two dozen office properties in the city, is considering a residential conversion of either a portion or all of the 27-story, 473,000-square-foot downtown office building at 20 Broad St.

Sources familiar with the decision say Vornado may still choose to maintain the property as an office building rather than repurpose it as apartment space, which would likely cost tens of millions of dollars to create.

Vornado is exploring options for the property because, according to recent reports, the building’s biggest office tenant, the New York Stock Exchange, which leases nearly 400,000 square feet, is set to leave next year.

However, converting the property into residential won't be easy. It may be difficult to lay out the building’s lower floors, which are larger than the spaces at the top of the tiered property, for apartments, sources said. An even bigger hurdle is the building’s complex ownership structure.

The New York Stock Exchange used to both own and occupy 20 Broad St.. Several years ago it ground leased the property to Vornado, while still remaining a tenant at the building.

Residential condo units are difficult to sell in ground-leased properties because the building’s ownership eventually reverts back to the owner of the ground. Apartment buyers are wary of that arrangement because it means their units will not be theirs in perpetuity and the land may also become less valuable as the ground lease nears expiration.

But now that NYSE is leaving 20 Broad, Vornado could purchase the building outright from NYSE and pursue the conversion. Some say Vornado could tear the existing building down and erect a new residential tower in its place.

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Old Posted Aug 25, 2015, 10:57 PM
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Look at NYC’s tallest resi towers through the ages



New York’s tallest residential towers scheduled for completion by 2018


Credit: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2015/08/...ough-the-ages/
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Rather wish that the second diagram was labeled.

I think these are what it's supposed to be:

15 Hudson Yards
30 Park Place
220 CPS
70 Pine
One57
35 Hudson Yards
Tour Verre
?125 Greenwich?
432 Park Ave
111 W57
Central Park Tower
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