Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Atlas

The winning proposal was this one:



I do prefer the second place proposal (see Wasatch Wasteland's post), both for the height/density and for the street breakup/engagement.

Oh wow. This is horrible. They have private residential entrances at street level on 3rd south? This should be active use/retail along there and 80% facade transparency. I certainly hope the city has a zoning requirement that will force them to revise this to do something much better than that. What is currently there is much better than what they have proposed.

[i-215]

Residence entrances along a major street looks horrible.

Even when it's "done right" (defenciable space) it still looks very wrong. Here's an IRL example along Olympic Blvd in Los Angeles. Looks really out of place:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0440...7i16384!8i8192

[Rileybo]

So is Ken Sanders Books going away? Huge bummer.

[Comrade]

If it's 80% financial, I can see why they went with the option they did.

I don't hate it - but obviously I would like a bit more height there on that corner.

[Wasatch Wasteland]

Originally Posted by Rileybo

So is Ken Sanders Books going away? Huge bummer.

Even more frustrating was that Ken Sanders Rare Books was re-incorporated into the 2nd place proposal’s retail floor plate with the exact same sq. footage and existing rent per sq. foot, and were still able to make their numbers work comfortably. See the diagram on original post.

Just goes to show when you sacrifice a smidge of profitability for the sake of a better design, pedestrian connections, street engagement, public space, and community assets, you lose. In a design competition. I heard with only ONE architect/designer on the judging panel and over a dozen finance people. Makes sense.

Give the designers/architects/planners a year to run the world and make the decisions. let’s see what happens.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Comrade

'A few others as well...'

The 'others', of course, being the Lynch Building, which is a historic gem that sits on the corner of 200 S and 200 E.

Not sure why it was removed, either.

Interesting. It doesn't make any sense why they took these neat buildings off of their renderings.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Wasatch Wasteland

Even more frustrating was that Ken Sanders Rare Books was re-incorporated into the 2nd place proposal’s retail floor plate with the exact same sq. footage and existing rent per sq. foot, and were still able to make their numbers work comfortably. See the diagram on original post.

Just goes to show when you sacrifice a smidge of profitability for the sake of a better design, pedestrian connections, street engagement, public space, and community assets, you lose. In a design competition. I heard with only ONE architect/designer on the judging panel and over a dozen finance people. Makes sense.

Give the designers/architects/planners a year to run the world and make the decisions. let’s see what happens.

Ha. Interesting. Note: never take a proposal serious if architects or city planners were not a primary part of it.

[Atlas]

One can hope that the real developer will look at both of the top proposals and take the best bits of both.

Originally Posted by Orlando

This may seem like a cool project, but that ground floor retail is awful. It's squashed. I bet it's about 10' floor to floor or less for the ground floor. In Seattle, 13' is the minimum. It looks like the first two floors are parking, and so the retail at ground level is the same height as a parking level. SLC should require that this be changed, especially for that area. The retail storefrontages are also bland and non-descript. They should pull back the parking on the second level to allow for taller retail &/or lobby/ amenity spaces along the street.

It's worth mentioning that this project is up for review at the planning commission meeting on May 13th. They've been having the meetings online and they're easy to attend, so you could bring this up as a concern.

[Orlando]

Thanks. I'd probably be considered a troll if I made a comment in the meeting, because I live in Seattle. So, you locals should voice your concerns.

[Atlas]

Great shot of 95 State and Liberty Sky from u/chaunceton on the subreddit:

[DCRes]

So great to see real movement on both of these towers. Time to watch them rise!

[Ironweed]

[QUOTE=Orlando;8914653]Oh wow. This is horrible. They have private residential entrances at street level on 3rd south?

I agree. I cannot understand why the city still embraces smallville for prominent corner lots like this. In addition, the aesthetics on this proposal are not there. This one is a thumbs down for me.

[delts145]

Love that shot! Makes me homesick.

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Great shot of 95 State and Liberty Sky from u/chaunceton on the subreddit:

Nice! I really hope Kensington Tower doesn't get cancelled, since it would be located right in the foreground. With 95 State, Liberty Sky, 255 State (Brinshore), and (fingers crossed) Kensington Tower, State Street along this stretch will feel so much more urban than it used to.

[ThePusherMan]

Will Liberty Sky be taller than the Maverick Building?

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by ThePusherMan

Will Liberty Sky be taller than the Maverick Building?

It should be. According to Wikipedia, 185 State Street (Maverick building) is 175 feet tall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Salt_Lake_City However, that Wikipedia page isn't entirely acurate (for example, it lists the Marriott Downtown at City Creek as just 2 feet shorter than The Regent, which there is no possible way that is true). But for now I guess we can trust the height for the Maverick.

I have seen a few heights listed for Liberty Sky, but they seem to keep to the range of 250 to 262 feet - and Boyer still lists it as a 24 story building, so those heights sound right for that many floors in a residential building. https://www.boyercompany.com/portfolio/liberty-sky/

So it should be about 75 feet taller than the Maverick building.

[DMTower]

They just took it off the rendering so it wouldn't be distracting. It's easier to focus on their rendering if there's just simple grass behind it.

Originally Posted by Orlando

Interesting. It doesn't make any sense why they took these neat buildings off of their renderings.

[scottharding]

Does anyone know when 255 State is supposed to get underway? Weren't they butting up close to when their building permit was going to expire? I know the pandemic has thrown off many timelines with that kind of thing. Just wondering if anyone knows anything?

[Rileybo]

Huge fire on Edison Street. Anyone have info?

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by Rileybo

Huge fire on Edison Street. Anyone have info?

https://gephardtdaily.com/breaking-h...r-the-avenues/

This building: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7636...4!8i8192?hl=en Directly across the street from The Morton.