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Old Posted Dec 5, 2022, 4:38 PM
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Yep- we are going to be hard pressed to build enough to avoid choking in growth.

Addressing the bottlenecks and missing links are what is going to give you the best bang for your buck. And yes any multi-year projects like BRT should be started sooner than later so that we're ready as soon as possible.

But remember it isn't just transportation infrastructure that is needed. We need large utility upgrades as well to service the city, especially if we want to intensify rather than grow out more. When these projects are planned we need to ensure we do as much as possible underground AND on the surface... while this will take longer to do, we won't need to worry about that area again for some time.

London will also need to work more with the surrounding area as we continue to grow more... I doubt housing prices will cool much if we are seeing this much growth/demand so the 'metro' area is going to boom as well as people look for a more affordable place.

There is sure a lot of potential good news from this, but only if we handle it well. If we have another political fiasco like the BRT debate London will be behind and will never be able to catch up to all the projected growth.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 5:11 AM
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London could definitely accommodate the growth within its current urban growth boundary. In order to keep the city moving it is going to have to be very proactive in it's BRT development. This means extending the East Link to the airport, West line to River Glen, North line to Masonville and then west along Fanshawe to Hyde Park, a SW line along Springbank & Wonderland, a SE line along Horton/Hamilkton to Gore and VMP, and probably a N/S route along Wonderland.

The city and the suburban areas are also going to have to start coordinating their transportation/transit policies as the suburbs will grow by at LEAST another 50,000.
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The largest restraint to growth (in the south, where the future growth is going to happen) will be sewage conveyance and treatment. These issues can be resolved, but a lot of work will need to happen. Big $$$. The current provincial initiative to delay or nullify development charges make such challenges even greater.


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London could definitely accommodate the growth within its current urban growth boundary. In order to keep the city moving it is going to have to be very proactive in it's BRT development. This means extending the East Link to the airport, West line to River Glen, North line to Masonville and then west along Fanshawe to Hyde Park, a SW line along Springbank & Wonderland, a SE line along Horton/Hamilkton to Gore and VMP, and probably a N/S route along Wonderland.

The city and the suburban areas are also going to have to start coordinating their transportation/transit policies as the suburbs will grow by at LEAST another 50,000.
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Is River Glen a new subdivision?
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London's population predicted to grow by more than 200,000 in 30 years

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London's rapid growth won't let up over the next 30 years with the city's current population of just over 420,000 now likely to rise to almost 650,000 by 2051, according to a growth projection report coming to council Tuesday. 

The report, by economists Watson and Associates and commissioned by the city, predicts London will experience a 1.3 per cent growth rate over the next three decades, with the city likely to add a population the size of St. Thomas about every six years during that time. 

The growth estimates in the report far exceed population projections the city conducted in 2018, which estimated London's population would be a little more than 504,000 by 2051.

Among the report's findings: 

Aging population: Following a national trend, London's population will continue to age in the decades to come. By 2051, 12 per cent of the City's population will be older than 75, up from eight per cent in 2021.
Low vacancy rates. As of October 2021, rental vacancy rates in London were 1.9 per cent, down from 3.4 per cent from the previous year. The average in Ontario was 3.4 per cent in October 2021. 
More jobs. The Watson report predicts an annual employment growth rate of approximately 1.6 per cent between 2021 and 2051. Under this scenario, London's employment base is expected to increase from 197,300 jobs in 2021, to 317,500 jobs by 2051.
More students. The Watson report estimates full-time enrolment at Fanshawe and Western combined will rise from 56,900 in 2021 to 82,600 by 2051, an increase of 45 per cent (25,700 students) over the forecast period (1.3 per cent annual growth rate).
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2022, 3:05 AM
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City committee discusses the population projection report.


https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...ose-challenges


Inward and upward must happen and increasing density by building taller is a given. Redeveloping brownfield and lightly used industrial and commercial areas need to happen as well. The name of the game is density, density density. Those who don't like it can move out to a quaint century old rural farm house in the middle of corn fields. Arbitrary height and density limits like the Masonville Secondary plan and others tries to impose must be thrown out. The people behind those plans were misguided and shortsighted at best. Their dreams of seeing zero change and a city stuck in amber were never realistic.
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100% London needs to built more density for new developments. Issue seems to be that with every infill projects that supports more denisity, that's when the local councillor and nearby residents get the NIMBY pitchforks out to kill it because they're circumstances are special/different. It would have been nice if either council or the province, had blanket zoning density rather that it being left up to council, who always seem to study (ie pass the buck to bureaucrats) projects of years with no end in sight.
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London's population growth stays high in 2022 with over 3% growth which means over 16000 new residents. The majority of which are immigrants.


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Found this on the web: "The Growth of London Outside London"

https://institute.smartprosperity.ca...Mar18_2022.pdf

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Ten key points from the report

1. The London area is growing in population, and an increasing proportion of that growth is
occurring outside of the boundaries of the City of London. Newly released Census data reveals
that from 2012 to 2016, 89% of Elgin-Middlesex’s population growth occurred in the City of
London, but from 2017 to 2021, this proportion dropped to 76%.
2. In absolute terms, the population of Elgin-Middlesex outside of London grew by 12,333 persons
in the last five years, after growing by only 2,272 in the previous five.
3. This shift to increased population growth occurring outside of the city limits will stress London’s
municipal tax base, as residents outside of the City will use the City’s infrastructure to shop and
work in London but not pay property taxes to the City.
4. Both the area within London and outside of London are experiencing a population boom. The
population boom is due to increased immigration, the boom in international students, and
families moving in from other parts of Canada.
5. The GTA, along with Windsor, Hamilton, and Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo, are the primary
sources of families moving to the London area from other parts of Canada.
6. The largest cohort of families moving to Elgin-Middlesex are comprised of adults in their 30s
with young children; however, a substantial number of families of adults between the ages of
40-70 are also making their way to the region.
7. These families are increasingly locating outside of the City of London, as the rate of housing
construction is rising faster outside of the City than within. Census data reveals that the number
of new dwelling units rose by 7.5% outside the City of London, but only 6.2% within it over the
past five years. The fastest growth in dwelling units occurred north and west of the City in Lucan
Biddulph, Strathroy-Caradoc, and Middlesex Centre.
8. Homebuilding occurring outside of the City is a relatively recent trend. From 2012-16, the
number of dwelling units rose by 4.4% within the City, but only 3.7% in the rest of Elgin-
Middlesex.
9. CMHC data provides additional context on this growth by showing that over the past five years,
less than half the single-detached homes built in Elgin-Middlesex were built in the City of
London, and only 4% of all semi-detached homes.
10. All forms of housing are increasingly being built outside of the City of London. In the last five
years, 8% of all completed apartment units in Elgin-Middlesex were built outside of London, up
from 1% the previous five years. Similarly, 23% of all row housing was built outside of London
from 2017-21, up from just 8% in 2012-16.
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This shift to increased population growth occurring outside of the city limits will stress London’s
municipal tax base, as residents outside of the City will use the City’s infrastructure to shop and
work in London but not pay property taxes to the City.

London needs to annex annex annex, or become a regional municipality

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Found this on the web: "The Growth of London Outside London"

https://institute.smartprosperity.ca...Mar18_2022.pdf


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The problem is that there is precious little the City can do about it. There is no way, in hell, that QP would authorize another annexation by the City due to one-third of London having almost no one living in it ie 401 to St.Thomas. Unless the surrounding municipalities agree, London is in a bit of a pickle. This, however, is not unique to London and is happening nationwide especially now that housing prices have soared and people are forced to live further afield in order to afford a home.
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That puts the total population for the London metropolitan area, including Strathroy, St. Thomas and parts of Elgin and Middlesex counties, at 574,238.
That was from January 2023. In 6 months time we may pass the 600K threshold.
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The problem is that there is precious little the City can do about it. There is no way, in hell, that QP would authorize another annexation by the City due to one-third of London having almost no one living in it ie 401 to St.Thomas. Unless the surrounding municipalities agree, London is in a bit of a pickle. This, however, is not unique to London and is happening nationwide especially now that housing prices have soared and people are forced to live further afield in order to afford a home.
It was the province’s decision to make all that area to the south part of London, the city didn’t want it. That wouldn’t preclude the province approving an annexation elsewhere
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Nice summary of the history of Westminister township.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmi...ounty,_Ontario


I would add that the City wanted the northern end of the township that bordered on them and were not interested in the southern end that bordered on Elgin county. The province rightly decided that the remainder was not fiscally viable so they ended up making the City take nearly all of the former township.


This part of London is not attractive for development due to being downwind of 3 waste treatment/landfills. Hence why we have seen all the new residential development happen in the NW, North and East sides of London. For the same reason we have seen bedroom communities like Mt Bridges, Komoka, Kilworth, Arva, Thorndale, Ilderton grow with new housing developments. The pressure will grow in the coming years for discussions about municipal services in those areas bordering London. I have no doubts that the County will fight hard to not give up these areas in an annexation.
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London CMA population exceeds 500,000 for those 15 years and older.


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