Peel Region Transitway/LRT

[swimmer_spe]

Looking around, I have not seen anything on the Transitway and the Hurontario LRT

Does anyone have more information that Wikipedia or the MiWay websites?

Any idea as to when the Transitway will be converted to LRT/subway?

I know that they are building a LRT on Hurontario.

Does anyone know of other projects in the Region of Peel?

[Tony]

Good Luck. City of Mississuaga just announced in the last month or so they have zero dollars saved / allocated to the Hurontario LRT and are 100% reliant upon the Province to pay for the whole thing. Not even cost-sharing (which is what TTC projects do, partial City, Province & Fed funding):

Mississauga has no money to pay for planned $1.6-billion LRT San Grewal Urban Affairs Reporter, The Toronto Star, Published on Wed Jan 14 2015

Just goes to show how well Hazel really ran the city. Throwing away all the development charges / money earned through decades of sprawl on nothing, during that same time bragging and laughing at Toronto's budget problems. Now you got nothing for mass transit, and little to fix infrastructure that is aging fast. Mississuaga is going to enjoy rising property taxes at the same time gas prices continue to rise, which the citizens are now completely dependent upon.

[1overcosc]

Yep, Mississauga is downright screwed. The poster child for unsustainable budgeting practices, and what I call "false fiscal conservativism": having low expenditure/taxes but not in a way that's actually fiscally prudent.

Thankfully, the province has since passed laws requiring municipalities to be more responsible, most recently with the law requiring municipalities to have asset reviews.

[sonysnob]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Yep, Mississauga is downright screwed. The poster child for unsustainable budgeting practices, and what I call "false fiscal conservativism": having low expenditure/taxes but not in a way that's actually fiscally prudent.

Thankfully, the province has since passed laws requiring municipalities to be more responsible, most recently with the law requiring municipalities to have asset reviews.

Even with Mississauga's recent increases to property taxes, the city is still below the mean tax rate for the GTA. The city is hardly screwed.

http://ward5mississauga.ca/mississau...in-comparison/

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by sonysnob

Even with Mississauga's recent increases to property taxes, the city is still below the mean tax rate for the GTA. The city is hardly screwed.

http://ward5mississauga.ca/mississau...in-comparison/

They'll have to hike them to well above that mean to sustain themselves and invest in new infrastructure, and politically that's hard to do.

[Doady]

Originally Posted by Tony

Good Luck. City of Mississuaga just announced in the last month or so they have zero dollars saved / allocated to the Hurontario LRT and are 100% reliant upon the Province to pay for the whole thing. Not even cost-sharing (which is what TTC projects do, partial City, Province & Fed funding):

Mississauga has no money to pay for planned $1.6-billion LRT San Grewal Urban Affairs Reporter, The Toronto Star, Published on Wed Jan 14 2015

Just because there is no money currently allocated to the cosntruction an LRT that is still in the design stage, doesn't mean there never will be.

Mississauga had 538.7 million dollars in reserve funds in 2014, and this is projected to grow to 547.7 million dollars in 2015, which would be more than enough to pay for their share of the Hurontario-Main LRT, which probably will be around $400 million considering the 1/3 split between local, provincial, and federal governments, and considering that a large portion of the LRT is in Brampton, which is why the thread title mentions Peel Region and not Mississauga specifically, and why the LRT is called the Hurontario-Main LRT and not the Hurontario LRT, because Main St is actually in Brampton, not Mississauga.

Originally Posted by Tony

Just goes to show how well Hazel really ran the city. Throwing away all the development charges / money earned through decades of sprawl on nothing, during that same time bragging and laughing at Toronto's budget problems. Now you got nothing for mass transit, and little to fix infrastructure that is aging fast. Mississuaga is going to enjoy rising property taxes at the same time gas prices continue to rise, which the citizens are now completely dependent upon.

Yeah, Mississauga has no mass transit, which explains why Hurontario is the busiest transit corridor in the 905, and why a $1.6 billion LRT is needed to address the overcrowding.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by Doady

Just because there is no money currently allocated to the cosntruction an LRT that is still in the design stage, doesn't mean there never will be.

Mississauga had 538.7 million dollars in reserve funds in 2014, and this is projected to grow to 547.7 million dollars in 2015, which would be more than enough to pay for their share of the Hurontario-Main LRT, which probably will be around $400 million considering the 1/3 split between local, provincial, and federal governments, and considering that a large portion of the LRT is in Brampton, which is why the thread title mentions Peel Region and not Mississauga specifically, and why the LRT is called the Hurontario-Main LRT and not the Hurontario LRT, because Main St is actually in Brampton, not Mississauga.

You didn't read the article did you?

Yeah, Mississauga has no mass transit, which explains why Hurontario is the busiest transit corridor in the 905, and why a $1.6 billion LRT is needed to address the overcrowding.

You know what I meant, no higher order transit, aside from the recently opened partial BRT.

[Doady]

Originally Posted by Tony

You didn't read the article did you?

Yes, I did read the article about Mississauga's "dire financial situation" and it's whopping 4% tax increase (actually turned out to be 2%) and the possibility of Mississauga being forced to fund 1/3 of the LRT (impossible because part of the LRT is in Brampton).

The real question is whether YOU read the article, considering it doesn't support your criticisms of Mississauga in any way, such as your criticism of Mississauga for wanting 100% funding from the province for its LRT, and not funding 33% like the TTC. The article states that TTC was expecting 100% provincial funding for its LRTs, and the province agreed to it, which not only doesn't support your argument, it directly contradicts it.

The article also says nothing about Mississauga "throwing all of its money away on nothing" or even explain why Mississauga has no money for higher order transit. If it did then it probably would have talked about the loss of provincial subsidies for 75% of capital costs and 50% of operating costs for transit since 1995, and how Mississauga lost hundreds of millions of dollars in provincial funding for transit as a result.

Originally Posted by Tony

You know what I meant, no higher order transit, aside from the recently opened partial BRT.

So Mississauga did not build any higher order transit, even though it built higher order transit.

I honestly don't see how you can criticize Mississauga for not having LRT when similar sized systems like Winnipeg or Hamilton or Waterloo Region or Quebec City don't have LRT either, and until recently Mississauga was smaller than all of those places. Hurontario itself was mostly farmland too and most of the corridor north of Eglinton is still undeveloped.

Hurontario being a major transit corridor is just a recent thing. It didn't even have express buses until a few years ago. Dundas was traditionally Mississauga's busiest route. Dundas connects to Toronto. Hurontario connects to Brampton. Was light rail to Brampton the obvious choice?

LRT along Hurontario is a very recent idea and the concept of modern LRT itself is recent. I think you expect too much.