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Old Posted Feb 14, 2014, 6:02 AM
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I think it'd be a couple of years before you see AAF trains head that far up the coastline.

What I am interested in is what the new downtown Miami station will look like.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2014, 5:08 AM
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No doubt. I can see something being operational before 2020 though, assuming the initial line starts off well. The track and destinations are already in place. I'm interested in what they do in Miami, as well as Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach. I want to see if any other rail companies consider jump starting similar operations tied to real estate development.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2014, 12:20 PM
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Crist needs to win in November, so that the state can then work out a deal with FEC for the I-4 ROW to Tampa.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2014, 10:46 PM
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One can't help but wonder how different the I-4 corridor would look today if Crist never left office early. It's entirely feasible the State could have ended up with that HSR line between Tampa and Orlando and AAF's project from Orlando to Miami.
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2014, 4:14 AM
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Or FEC would be partnering with the HSR operator for a system linking Tampa, Orlando, Jax and Miami.

Regardless of who was running it, the line between Tampa and Orlando would definitely be UC like it was supposed to be, and the transit initiatives in Hillsborough, Pinellas and Polk would be looked at much differently.
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2014, 5:45 PM
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Crist needs to win in November, so that the state can then work out a deal with FEC for the I-4 ROW to Tampa.
I agree as well. I hope so. If Charlie Crist will win the election. He will return work for governor again. Rick Scott is not good governor. He has no experience at all. That's why he failed to do so. He canceled the HSR and etc. There is no reason to canceled it.
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2014, 10:42 PM
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Hmmm, so Rick Scott is a rail buff now. Must be getting close to reelection time.....

The State is going to pay for the rail station at MCO. It will initially serve AAF but will be designed for a SunRail extension as well.

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Rick Scott announces $215M for new train depot at Orlando International Airport

Gov. Rick Scott announced this afternoon at Orlando International Airport that he intends to spend up $215 million in state money to build a new station at OIA that could house several trains, including a privately financed one that would link Central and South Florida.

Scott has set aside $123 million in his budget this year. The remainder would come next year, if he is re-elected.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,892246.story
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2014, 11:19 PM
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Oh gosh, Scott was so wrong for canceling the free high speed rail project, but at least this is a moderate step in the right direction.
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Oh gosh, Scott was so wrong for canceling the free high speed rail project, but at least this is a moderate step in the right direction.
Yeah, he is idiots. He can't do something for HSR and etc. Yes, he was very wrong for what he did. He lied to all Florida residents. He won't able work for governor ever again for life. He will eventually to loses. He will be fired. They will kicked him out of State Capital.
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2014, 4:53 AM
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The funny thing is if that HSR project wasn't torpedoed, this $200 million station would have been funded without local or state tax dollars as a part of that $2 billion project.
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Hmmm, so Rick Scott is a rail buff now. Must be getting close to reelection time.....

The State is going to pay for the rail station at MCO. It will initially serve AAF but will be designed for a SunRail extension as well.



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,892246.story
Election year posturing.

At this point, both systems that would use the station are done deals, so really any governor who didn't pledge support for the project is being an asshole, just because he can.

Besides, the legislature will probably nix it anyways.
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2014, 4:02 AM
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The funny thing is if that HSR project wasn't torpedoed, this $200 million station would have been funded without local or state tax dollars as a part of that $2 billion project.
So true as evidenced by this map :





If you look at the maps above Sunrail would have intersected with HSR in Orlando between the last 2 stops between the Orange County Convention center & the Airport.
But thanks to Rick Scott and his rejection of HSR as it stands now Sunrail and the All Aboard Florida trains won't meet at all. The closest Sunrail station to the Orlando Airport is about 5 miles away and as far as I know there isn't a CSX rail spur that turns east and heads to the Airport.

Could you imagine that Florida could have had a comprehensive rail system with HSR from Tampa to Orlando then connect with a AAF train down to Miami?
If there was a realistic way to recall and remove Governor Skeletor from office I would have signed a petition years ago. He really screwed us!
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Even privately financed rail projects have opposition.....

http://www.floridanotallaboard.com/

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Florida NOT All Aboard

What is All Aboard Florida? AAF, is an approved rail service using the existing Florida East Coast FEC railway.

How many trains are there? Each day 32 trains will pass through going between Orlando and Miami, West Palm and Fort Lauderdale.

How frequently will the trains be traveling? Each hour two trains will pass through the area everyday between 7am and ending at 11pm, 7 days a week.

What about the freight trains? The freight trains will also be traveling along the rail and are expected to stop to allow the passenger trains to pass. The combined number of trains is estimated to be greater 50 trains per day.

Where do the freight trains stop? It is not determined yet. The rail line bisects many roads, which may have possible impacts.

Will the railway bridge be open? Based on current operating speed, the bridge will be open less than 20 minutes each hour with the combination of AAF and freight trains. Mitigation plans indicate the speed of the bridge may increase, but the improvements have yet to be determined.

What happens to the intracoastal boating traffic? Boating will have to stop when the bridge is down.

What happens when the additional trains use the line? The amount of time the bridge is open becomes less. Possibly remaining closed during the day.

What about “bridge rage” from recreational boaters when the bridge opens? Is it not determined how this will be addressed. (Bridge rage is the frustration caused by the bridge being down, and becomes exasperated when multiple boats begin passing through a narrow opening in both directions in a short amount of time)

Doesn’t navigational law require the drawbridge to open for passage? Yes. The bridge must promptly open when requested by signal.

How can AAF plan to run the high number of trains and meet the navigational laws? It is unclear how this can be met with the current bridge construction.

How fast will the trains travel? Speeds of 110 MPH between Jupiter and Cocoa Beach.

Can the trains travel that fast through our cities? It is unlikely to reach these speeds due to the congestion, intersections, curves, and bridges on the track.

What safeguards will be put into place? An environmental impact study is underway and mitigation plans have yet to be released.

How loud are the trains? Don’t know… Quiet Zones are planned which mean the train horn is not required to blow.

What is the cost to upgrade to quiet zones? The cost for each county will depend on the number of crossing upgrades and is in the tens of thousands of dollars per crossing.

May we have to pay for improvements and not get any of the benefits? Yes

Why aren’t the tracks out west used that go directly between West Palm Beach to Orlando? Good Question! Everyone want’s to know, there is no information available.

How do I get more Information? Go to “Florida NOT All Board” facebook page to learn more.

What do I do to STOP this? Get Involved! Help spread the information to concerned citizens. Sign our petition on face book page.

What do I tell our elected officials? You can go to “Florida NOT All Aboard” facebook page and download letters to send your elected officials.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flori...216658&sk=info
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NIMBY's suck. How selfish and short sighted can people possibly be?
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All Aboard Florida has revealed a new site devoted to the project: http://www.allaboardflorida.com/

They have a E- newsletter for updates on the project: http://www.allaboardflorida.com/get-on-board/index.html

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ALL ABOARD FLORIDA IS…
An express intercity passenger rail service
Designed to serve tourists, business travelers and Florida residents
Connecting Miami and Orlando in just under three hours
With planned stops in Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach
And 4.5 million square feet of new development
Developed by Florida East Coast Industries (FECI)
THE DEMAND

New, alternative ways to get Florida moving in larger numbers are needed
Florida to become third largest state in the nation due to population growth
95+ million visitors to the state
50 million currently making the trip along the planned route

ECONOMIC IMPACT
A boost of $500M/year in the State’s production of goods and services over the first five years
Ongoing impact of $150M/year after that
$200M in tax revenues for state and local governments through 2021
Thousands of direct jobs created during construction and implementation
ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE

Three million cars taken off the road each year
Significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and fuel consumption
Leveraging the existing corridor means minimal impact to natural resources
Environmental Assessment for Miami to West Palm Beach segment received Finding of No Significant Impact (January 2013)

ADDITIONAL IMPACTS

More robust urban centers surrounding our three South Florida downtown stations
Increased tourism
Relief for Florida’s congested roadways



STATE OF THE ART
Best-in-class innovation and technology
Hospitality-driven on-board experience
Designed to optimize passenger time, ease and comfort
Faster than driving and just as fast as flying
A time savings of 25-30% vs. existing travel options
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AAF responds to opposition groups via launch of new website that shows off a rendering of the Miami Station:



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Wow, that's really high. If that's a train at the top, then top-of-rail must be 45' above the ground. At a grade of 2% for passenger rail, those tracks would have to start rising as soon as they crossed under 395.

I guess it has to be this high to clear the Metromover at 5th St, though. Usually urban viaducts are not that high. Ogilvie Station in Chicago has tracks at about 22' above street level. European cities are similar. Tokyo has some stations this high, though.

I'm glad AAF is planning an integrated retail development. The surrounding blocks here are filled with pretty impersonal office buildings and parking garages, narrow sidewalks and wide streets, so it's important that the station itself become a center for shopping/eating.
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^I think I would have realigned the Metromover, rather than make the platform have to be so high.
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AAF doesn't necessarily have that choice as a private company, and the two-level Metrorail/Metromover transfer is a key lynchpin of the Miami transit system.

Doing a high platform also allows for two levels of retail below the tracks; this is much cheaper/easier than putting retail above the tracks.

From an urban design standpoint, the tall station is just so massive. The design seems to be good so I don't have a problem with it - the transit hub of a major metropolis like SoFla should be huge to correspond with its importance.
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Even privately financed rail projects have opposition.....

http://www.floridanotallaboard.com/



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Most of the opposition is based upon two issues,
train horns and accessibility.

Establishing quiet zones isn't cheap and local governments wish to see FEC pick up that additional cost. All the FEC is required to do by federal law is the sound the horn on the trains at intersections. It's up to local cities to ask the FRA, plan, fund, build, and maintain the infrastructure for the implementation of quiet zones. Being quiet and being safe are two different things.

Intermediate cities and counties not getting a station initially want one too. They feel they are being left out getting none of the advantages (benefits) while getting all of the disadvantages (troubles). That's true with just about every rail project, high speed or not, some cities are bypassed.

My take: If the intermediate cities want train services, they can always implement their own transit service to do so using their own resources, then contract with FEC to use their tracks and build train stations on their property. Put some of their own skin into the game. Privately ran railroads will always cherry pick what services they will be willing to provide to maximize profits. A good place to start implementing a transit agency is by assuming the costs for implementing quiet zones establishing a working relationship with the private railroad company. If the intermediate cities aren't willing to accept the costs of implementing quiet zones, what creditability will they establish creating a transit agency?
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