NEW YORK | 1 Manhattan West | 995 FT | 71 FLOORS

[WestSideGuy]

The fifth span has been laid in place and the 6th is being assembled now. Only 10 more to go!

[Design-mind]

Are these still being placed at night? I would love to see video footage of the process, and hopefully it is being filmed by discovery or one of the other networks.

[Zapatan]

This is the lamest project currently in the works in NYC, I hope it's cancelled so something cool can be built on this valuable land. Two 935' boxes and a ~750 foot residential building isn't really all that exciting to be honest.

[Perklol]

I agree.

MSG and Brookfield should exchange sites so NYC gets a new train terminal + shiny new skyscrapers within close proximity of many subway lines.

[ILNY]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

This is the lamest project currently in the works in NYC, I hope it's cancelled so something cool can be built on this valuable land. Two 935' boxes and a ~750 foot residential building isn't really all that exciting to be honest.

Btw, these are not final renders and this project may turn out to be quite nice.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by ILNY

Btw, these are not final renders and this project may turn out to be quite nice.

They look pretty official, I don't think those are just placeholders but rather the actual design.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

They look pretty official, I don't think those are just placeholders but rather the actual design.

It's no more "official" looking than the other renderings. We don't have the exact heights of the towers, but the designs themselves will be very similar to what we have always seen. That much hasn't changed.

It's possible the current 67 story north tower could be slightly taller than the original south tower plan.

Two towers:
66 stories - 3.4 msf - 1,216 ft
60 stories - 1.9 msf - 935 ft

[NYguy]

http://www.rew-online.com/2014/05/14...as-check-list/


By Holly Dutton
May 14, 2014

Brookfield’s director of retail leasing Ed Hogan will be attending the International Council of Shopping Center’s annual RECon convention in Las Vegas May 18-20, a global gathering for those in the retail industry. While he said he will be taking “a lot” of meetings, he is looking more toward the future.

“We’re really starting to focus on our next project for Brookfield which is Manhattan West, near the Hudson Yards Project,” said Hogan.

Manhattan West, a giant project at 9th Avenue and 33rd Street, broke ground in 2012 and will have two 65-story office towers and a 60-story residential tower a block east of the Hudson Yards project. The five-acre site will have seven million square feet of office and mixed-use development.

[Submariner]

Guys, look. The not-final renderings aren't particularly awe inspiring but even if we got exactly what is in that picture above, its still a damn sight better than what is there currently - a hole in the ground.

[Onn]

I like the final design. I know its simple, but its monolithic at the same time. The towers have those wide smooth edges.

[Zapatan]

3.4 msf? The north tower will be very fat, or hopefully very tall

Why does the rendering show two towers of the same height (the original 935' I suppose) if there is supposed to be one that's taller?

[nygirl1]

The tower that appears furthest east looks taller than the one's in front of it. In fact I don't see any towers in that render that look like they're the same height...where are we getting 950' twins from?

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by nygirl1

The tower that appears furthest east looks taller than the one's in front of it. In fact I don't see any towers in that render that look like they're the same height...where are we getting 950' twins from?

Originally the smaller tower was 935 feet and then a rendering was released with that exact same tower with one of the same height next to it instead of a taller one.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

3.4 msf? The north tower will be very fat, or hopefully very tall

Why does the rendering show two towers of the same height (the original 935' I suppose) if there is supposed to be one that's taller?

Those renders aren't final because they were non-committal with the heights of both towers. The render is of basic 60-story towers. Originally the south tower (which incorporated the building to the west) was over 3 msf and was 66 floors. We now know that the north tower will be 67 floors. They are still non-committal on the exact number of floors of the south tower, except that it will be over 60 floors. That's why you get the "generic" rendering. The only thing that will really differ in the render is the height of the towers, which at that scale won't account for a big difference. So in that sense, the renders are accurate.

Originally Posted by nygirl1

t...where are we getting 950' twins from?

That's just speculation on someone's part, from looking at the render, which I explained above just shows the development as a whole.

[King DenCity]

I liked the previous black tower design...

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by King DenCity

I liked the previous black tower design...

I liked that for the residential as well, but it was not to be. Everything will be blended into blue glass. That won't be tiresome looking...

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Those renders aren't final because they were non-committal with the heights of both towers. The render is of basic 60-story towers. Originally the south tower (which incorporated the building to the west) was over 3 msf and was 66 floors. We now know that the north tower will be 67 floors. They are still non-committal on the exact number of floors of the south tower, except that it will be over 60 floors. That's why you get the "generic" rendering. The only thing that will really differ in the render is the height of the towers, which at that scale won't account for a big difference. So in that sense, the renders are accurate.

So it's possible for the North tower to be higher than 1200 feet still, at least we'll get some decent height even if the design isn't super.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

So it's possible for the North tower to be higher than 1200 feet still, at least we'll get some decent height even if the design isn't super.

It could be higher or lower. We just don't know. The original plan of 1,216 ft south tower was for a 66 floor tower, and that's about right for the height range these days. Not, the plan is for a 67 floor north tower and a south tower also with 60+ floors. We won't know anything about exact height until they reveal plans. But we are getting decent height regardless of what the exact height is. There are far too many supertalls being planned in the Hudson Yards to be concerned about a couple of hundred feet here. It will be built, the towers will be tall, and the "hole in the ground" will be covered.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It could be higher or lower. We just don't know. The original plan of 1,216 ft south tower was for a 66 floor tower, and that's about right for the height range these days. Not, the plan is for a 67 floor north tower and a south tower also with 60+ floors. We won't know anything about exact height until they reveal plans. But we are getting decent height regardless of what the exact height is. There are far too many supertalls being planned in the Hudson Yards to be concerned about a couple of hundred feet here. It will be built, the towers will be tall, and the "hole in the ground" will be covered.

Very true, it would also be nice if they could be twin towers like in the current picture, just taller.

If the tower will really be 3.4 million sf it's going to be very fat with only 67 floors. Hopefully they add more and it becomes a real supertall (400+ meters)

[De Minimis NY]

This project appears poised to create a 21st Century version of Sixth Ave: a few nearly identical monoliths with large plaza spaces and little personality.  While this is by no means something to be mourned--as the row of international style buildings on Sixth is far from a blight on the city--it's definitely a major missed opportunity.   

Look at the eclectic and forward-thinking architecture going up all along the Highline, the unique spaces being created by Hudson Boulevard, the careful curating of buildings at Hudson Yards and its "iconic" centerpiece; while the emerging Hudson Yards neighborhood doesn't yet exist, it's already obvious that it will have a character different from that of any other part of the city and equally obvious that Manhattan West isn't going to fit into it. This proposal is definitely preferable to a hole in the ground, but, standing as the bridge between Hudson Yards and Penn Station, one would hope that a project of this magnitude would do something to further the emerging aesthetic of the new West Side rather than dampen it with such conservative and muted design.

I think that's why it reminds me so much of that row of buildings on 6th--there's nothing particularly wrong with it but nothing particularly interesting about it, either; it's like the definition of a missed opportunity.