How Is Covid-19 Impacting Life in Your City?

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Once again, you are posting out of your *ss and simply don't know what you are talking about.


https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_sta...ects/index.htm

And all this is over and above the simple fact of how noxious tobacco smoke can be to a non-smoker (Note: I am a former smoker--I quit 40 years ago--and I'm convinced it bother me more than it does even never-smokers).

Yes, in 1964, when you could smoke in a hospital, secondhand smoke was a huge issue. How many people get cancer every year from "brief" exposure to smoke? I am sure it is in the single digits.


In any case, I am talking about stupid shit like "smoke-free campuses". Huh, why? Why can't someone smoke a cig in a far corner of campus away from everyone? It makes no sense. And of course you can extend this to vapes too.

[Camelback]

^I won't pay restaurant prices for a meal if I have to breathe second hand smoke from tobacco or marijuana.

[Camelback]

Here's some more good news for concerned parents: Pfizer has been working with the FDA to allow their vaccine for 12-15 year olds. Pfizer says it is 100% effective.

The 12-15 year old age group already has a nearly 100% survival rate from a Covid infection, so the vaccine should be 100%!!

[photoLith]

Originally Posted by dktshb

Yeah, I have been pretty fortunate. In the few instances I have come across maskless people it was just one or 2 individuals in a store and the encounters are so brief I realize my risk for exposure is minimal. Going to a grocery store where a large segment isn't wearing a mask would be another story altogether. The only time I was annoyed was in UT when the hotel staff at the front counter wasn't wearing a mask back in May 2020 and the smartass woman behind the counter asked if I was there to rob her because I was wearing a mask. I said: no, I am wearing a mask because I am not an idiot.

You guys really need to chill out. You actually think about your risk of exposure if you see someone without a mask on? Really? Do you worry about your risk to your life every time you drive? You have a much more statistical probability of getting killed or maimed in a car accident than dying from covid if you under 80. You could walk down the street and a tree branch could break and kill you. Do you worry about slipping in the bathtub and breaking your neck every time you take a shower? You could die at any second without warning from a stroke or a blood clot to the lungs. Eating too many tasty burgers and fries could lead to obesity and heart failure or diabetes. You could get trapped in your room at night during a house fire, do you worry about all of these things constantly?

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by photoLith

You guys really need to chill out. You actually think about your risk of exposure if you see someone without a mask on? Really? Do you worry about your risk to your life every time you drive? You have a much more statistical probability of getting killed or maimed in a car accident than dying from covid if you under 80. You could walk down the street and a tree branch could break and kill you. Do you worry about slipping in the bathtub and breaking your neck every time you take a shower? You could die at any second without warning from a stroke or a blood clot to the lungs. Eating too many tasty burgers and fries could lead to obesity and heart failure or diabetes. You could get trapped in your room at night during a house fire, do you worry about all of these things constantly?

For adults, COVID-19 approximately doubles your chances of dying in a year. So yes, it is at least equally dangerous to everything else for normal people (excepting wingsuiters and bear wrestlers).

But again, dying is not the only bad thing that can happen. If I got sick and went to work, the University potentially would shut our lab down for weeks, which would fucking suck.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Camelback

^I won't pay restaurant prices for a meal if I have to breathe second hand smoke from tobacco or marijuana.

And you would have that right as a consumer.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Yes, in 1964, when you could smoke in a hospital, secondhand smoke was a huge issue. How many people get cancer every year from "brief" exposure to smoke? I am sure it is in the single digits.


In any case, I am talking about stupid shit like "smoke-free campuses". Huh, why? Why can't someone smoke a cig in a far corner of campus away from everyone? It makes no sense. And of course you can extend this to vapes too.

First of all, the information I posted is not from 1964. That's when the government first recognized the association between smoking and health. What I posted is current.

But since you asked how many:

Exposure to secondhand smoke causes an estimated 41,000 deaths each year among adults in the United States:

Secondhand smoke causes 7,333 annual deaths from lung cancer.
Secondhand smoke causes 33,951 annual deaths from heart disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_sta...lity/index.htm

41,000 is quite a bit more than a "handful". Most of these may have longer exposures in workplaces or from living with a smoker than merely dining in restaurants where there are people smoking but even a relatively small percentage of 41,000 per year is more than a "handful" and my previous posting pointed out that even brief exposure can cause a number of physiologic changes.

Of course you are firm in your opinion and don't care about facts so you will not be convinced surely.

[IluvATX]

Originally Posted by Camelback

^I won't pay restaurant prices for a meal if I have to breathe second hand smoke from tobacco or marijuana.

I would pay double if they allowed marijuana in restaurants.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by photoLith

You guys really need to chill out. You actually think about your risk of exposure if you see someone without a mask on? Really? Do you worry about your risk to your life every time you drive?

I'm a doctor. Forget driving. You are damned right I thought about the possibility of infection every time I treated an infectious person and it happened at least once (my TB test turned positive).

People who understand infectious disease respect it.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

First of all, the information I posted is not from 1964. That's when the government first recognized the association between smoking and health. What I posted is current.

But since you asked how many:


https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_sta...lity/index.htm

41,000 is quite a bit more than a "handful". Most of these may have longer exposures in workplaces or from living with a smoker than merely dining in restaurants where there are people smoking but even a relatively small percentage of 41,000 per year is more than a "handful" and my previous posting pointed out that even brief exposure can cause a number of physiologic changes.

Of course you are firm in your opinion and don't care about facts so you will not be convinced surely.

You're mixing up two things I said to make your point stronger.

Those people who are getting cancer etc. from secondhand smoke are most likely LIVING with someone smoking, not someone who eats dinner in the same building as a smoker once. I said single digits as in people who are briefly around smokers, not a kid who is in a van with the windows up and mom chain-smoking.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'm a doctor. Forget driving. You are damned right I thought about the possibility of infection every time I treated an infectious person and it happened at least once (my TB test turned positive).

People who understand infectious disease respect it.

Ped, you really don't seem to read people's post fully or purposively ignore key parts to make a point.

His point was that you DONT KNOW if someone is infected, and the chances of them being infected are very small.


I would be cautious around someone who had covid, as you would too. You said you were cautious when you were treating an infectious person, that's 100% different than assuming everyone you come into contact with is infected.

That's like me being cautious hanging out with gang members, that makes sense. But me going to a bad neighborhood and ASSUMING everyone is a gang member, that would be stupid.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by IluvATX

I would pay double if they allowed marijuana in restaurants.

I'm sure they'll welcome you (just ask to have your bill doubled):

Cannabis restaurants are coming to California, with ‘budtenders’ and ‘flower’ service
By Maura Judkis
August 15, 2019 at 5:00 a.m. MST

WEST HOLLYWOOD — Like any good chef about to open a restaurant, Andrea Drummer wants to get her pairings just right. But her lamb chops with plantain-mango salsa won’t be matched with wine or beer.

Instead, a “budtender” — some in the industry call them ganjiers, as in ganja sommeliers — will help guests at the soon-to-open Lowell Farms cannabis cafe pair their farm-to-table meal with the perfect strain of farm-to-table marijuana.

“A kush is a little more pungent, so it pairs better with a stew, or something like a beef or a meat product. A lighter lemon profile goes nicely with a fish,” said Drummer. One of her favorite strains, Blue Dream, “pairs well with both savory and sweet. I’ve done it with ice cream, and with bread puddings, but I’ve also done it with octopus.”

When the rustic, plant-filled 220-seat space opens, it will be the first of its kind in America: a place for locals and tourists to have a high-quality meal and smoke a joint in public. Other restaurants are soon to follow. But if they want weed on the menu, restaurateurs in the famously progressive city — which in 2017 approved an ordinance allowing business licenses for this purpose — will still have to navigate a complicated patchwork of regulations.

“With cannabis, we are building the boat as we’re on the water,” said Jackie Subeck, who plans to open a cannabis spa, clinic and cafe and serves as the chairwoman of the cannabis legislative subcommittee for the West Hollywood Chamber of Commerce.

States that have legalized recreational cannabis will be watching how the city pulls it off. Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D) signed a bill in May allowing cannabis lounges. If legalization continues apace, cannabis restaurants might eventually become as normal as wine bars.

“Whatever West Hollywood does now,” said Sean Black, co-founder of Lowell Herb Co., the cannabis company opening the cafe, “the rest of the blue states, at least, [do] three years later.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lower-service/

Now there are several more in the LA area: https://www.yelp.com/search?find_des...+Angeles%2C+CA

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Ped, you really don't seem to read people's post fully or purposively ignore key parts to make a point.

His point was that you DONT KNOW if someone is infected, and the chances of them being infected are very small.


I would be cautious around someone who had covid, as you would too. You said you were cautious when you were treating an infectious person, that's 100% different than assuming everyone you come into contact with is infected.

That's like me being cautious hanging out with gang members, that makes sense. But me going to a bad neighborhood and ASSUMING everyone is a gang member, that would be stupid.

No, you are correct you don't know and the risk is small but not zero. In parts of the country it's substantially above zero. But as I said--which YOU ignore--is that I am used to dealing with that. Often you don't know somebody's diagnosis but you take precautions based on the worst possibilities. That's what this is all about. You are wanting to assume the BEST.

I look at it from a risk/reward perspective. If I assume somebody's infected and ask them to do 2 simple things--wear a mask in my presence and stay 6 ft away--there not much harm done if I'm wrong. If you assume they aren't and you are wrong, it could mean death by COVID if you aren't vaccinated and even possibly a bit of misery if you are.

[IluvATX]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'm sure they'll welcome you (just ask to have your bill doubled):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lower-service/

Now there are several more in the LA area: https://www.yelp.com/search?find_des...+Angeles%2C+CA

“Gangiers” lol. It would be nice to have on-site consumption allowed here in Anchorage though.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

No, you are correct you don't know and the risk is small but not zero. In parts of the country it's substantially above zero. But as I said--which YOU ignore--is that I am used to dealing with that. Often you don't know somebody's diagnosis but you take precautions based on the worst possibilities. That's what this is all about. You are wanting to assume the BEST.

I look at it from a risk/reward perspective. If I assume somebody's infected and ask them to do 2 simple things--wear a mask in my presence and stay 6 ft away--there not much harm done if I'm wrong. If you assume they aren't and you are wrong, it could mean death by COVID if you aren't vaccinated and even possibly a bit of misery if you are.

Risk/reward, exactly.


We risk dying by driving 70 mph on the interstate all the time. We KNOW we would be like 90% safer if we drove 25 mph, but it's not worth it.

If someone doesn't want to wear a mask for 12 months, and a store doesn't make them or they are outside, I don't see the issue? Most people aren't years from their deathbed nor obsess with it, thank God.

Only weird people like their masks. I enjoy them on cold days or days where I look like shit, but most days, I don't want to wear it. Its a MINOR issue, but its annoying and I don't believe the risk is there to warrant me being forced to wear it by seniors like you. Sorry, if you are that scared, you can stay home, I am in the prime of my life.

[IluvATX]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Risk/reward, exactly.


We risk dying by driving 70 mph on the interstate all the time. We KNOW we would be like 90% safer if we drove 25 mph, but it's not worth it.

If someone doesn't want to wear a mask for 12 months, and a store doesn't make them or they are outside, I don't see the issue? Most people aren't years from their deathbed nor obsess with it, thank God.

Only weird people like their masks. I enjoy them on cold days or days where I look like shit, but most days, I don't want to wear it. Its a MINOR issue, but its annoying and I don't believe the risk is there to warrant me being forced to wear it by seniors like you. Sorry, if you are that scared, you can stay home, I am in the prime of my life.

The marijuana chat was better than this garbage above. ^^^ what is the “prime of your life”?

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

You're mixing up two things I said to make your point stronger.

Those people who are getting cancer etc. from secondhand smoke are most likely LIVING with someone smoking, not someone who eats dinner in the same building as a smoker once. I said single digits as in people who are briefly around smokers, not a kid who is in a van with the windows up and mom chain-smoking.

sure, you probably won't get cancer by going out to eat in a restaurant that has smokers. But the waiters might.

[IluvATX]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

sure, you probably won't get cancer by going out to eat in a restaurant that has smokers. But the waiters might.

Which states still allow smoking in restaurants?

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by IluvATX

Which states still allow smoking in restaurants?

Still allowed in casinos in Nevada, as far as I know.

[10023]

Originally Posted by IluvATX

The marijuana chat was better than this garbage above. ^^^ what is the “prime of your life”?

The years when you are physically and mentally capable of any activity. In contrast to old age, when at least physical decline limits what you can do.