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Am I crazy to think that the Disney Company (Studios, Disneyland etc.) wouldn't have wanted to buy this modest building and move it to their studios or Disneyland? Surely they could afford it. Wonder why no interest in that?
I suspect two things are in play with that old house. Would the public really be interested and the price.

The CEO of Disney probably would spend the money on a new glitzy ride to make more money. Remember that Disney is firing hundreds of older expensive employees and replacing them with cheaper foreign workers. Its always the bottom line.

Did anyone ever see the Walt Disney personal office exhibit?
One of the best small exhibits ever seen at DL....imo.
There was a different office shown back in 1976.


disneydose dot com


[Another great exhibit was the old ''20,000 Leagues Under The Sea" back in the 1960s.]



Here is a 4 min video of the exhibit:

https://youtu.be/qryBQsxjh38

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Old Posted Jul 26, 2016, 7:13 AM
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612 S. Lorraine Blvd.

The building permit for this home was issued on July 7, 1919. This illustration in the June 15, 1919, Los Angeles Times
might show 612 S. Lorraine:


Proquest via LAPL

Yes, I know it says 524 Plymouth. The article with the drawing says 524 Plymouth was being built for Harry S. Goldberg.
But he lived at 424 S. Plymouth, which does not look like the drawing. Also, there is no 524 S. Plymouth. There is a 528,
but it doesn't look like the drawing either, plus it wasn't built until 1926.

So I kept poking around, because the home in the drawing looks somewhat like this Windsor Square home, shown in the
April 1920 The Architect and Engineer of California:


HathiTrust

I drove the Googlemobile around Windsor Square until I got to 612 S. Lorraine:


Mar 2015 GSV



Mar 2015 GSV


This looks west with the rear of 612 S. Lorraine in the upper left corner. At lower right is the Getty House at 605 S. Irving, the
official residence of Los Angeles mayors. Your back yard is looking pretty green for the middle of a drought, Mayor Garcetti!


Bing Maps


Even with politicians living at 605 S. Irving, 612 S. Lorraine has probably been the scene of more jokes. A December 3, 1986,
building permit shows 612 S. Lorraine was the home of comedian Shecky Greene, who is exactly one month older than comedian
Don Rickles:


LADBS

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I think they're just rocks too.

Here's an 1891 detail of the future site of Court Flight showing a pile of rocks that I assume were given up by the hillside when the retaining walls were put in:


uscdl: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1740/rec/255

I don't see any rocks here though. Maybe one could if the shot was closer:

LAT

Thx e_r, I liked the fragments of the Yankee.
Have seen your last pic, with the steam shovel, several times over the years, usually on city-based or KCET-based sites. It's been reversed all that time. Someday, someone is going to turn it around.
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I suspect two things are in play with that old house. Would the public really be interested and the price.

The CEO of Disney probably would spend the money on a new glitzy ride to make more money. Remember that Disney is firing hundreds of older expensive employees and replacing them with cheaper foreign workers. Its always the bottom line.

Did anyone ever see the Walt Disney personal office exhibit?
One of the best small exhibits ever seen at DL....imo.
There was a different office shown back in 1976.


disneydose dot com


[Another great exhibit was the old ''20,000 Leagues Under The Sea" back in the 1960s.]



Here is a 4 min video of the exhibit:

https://youtu.be/qryBQsxjh38
The organ is now in the Haunted mansion ride.
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Its hard to wrap my head around what happened.

484 homes burned.

As a direct result of the Bel Air Fire, Los Angeles initiated a series of laws and fire safety policies. These included the banning of wood shingle roofs in new construction and one of the most stringent brush clearance policies in the United States.

It appears that those wood shingle roofs were a fire waiting to happen.

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Its hard to wrap my head around what happened.

484 homes burned.

As a direct result of the Bel Air Fire, Los Angeles initiated a series of laws and fire safety policies. These included the banning of wood shingle roofs in new construction and one of the most stringent brush clearance policies in the United States.

It appears that those wood shingle roofs where a fire waiting to happen.
"Shake" roofs ARE a fire waiting to happen and they should be banned throughout the west.
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I was going to post this Julius Shulman photo yesterday, but then I came across a load of extra pictures to sort through. This is the only one in "Job 416: Welch's (Long Beach, Calif.), 1949".



Getty Research Institute

It turns out that the definitive photographs of Welch's were taken by Maynard L Parker. First I found this exterior view.


www.theseamericans.com

Here are some more of Maynard L Parker's pictures from Calisphere. Unfortunately, they're all much smaller than the image above.















All from calisphere.org

The address of Welch's was 4401 Atlantic Boulevard. You can see the distinctively-shaped restaurant on the north-west corner of the intersection with E San Antonio Drive in this 1972 view. By 1980, it was gone.


Historic Aerials

I'll finish with a color postcard from the 1950s that I found at SDSU. After double-checking this thread, I discovered that it was originally posted by Beaudry in post #2316. Welch's apparently billed itself as "Southern California’s Most Beautiful Restaurant". There are more color pictures and some additional information in an article at onbunkerhill.org. The article also covers Grisinger’s Drive-In Coffee Shop on the opposite corner of the intersection.


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Old Posted Jul 26, 2016, 8:21 PM
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That's quite a find Hoss. I love the distinctive look of Welch's.




I thought that was a bar on the left, but now I see that it's part of the buffet.
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I believe the building with the key is the former site of the Jewish Federation in Los Angeles on North Vermont. The street car is passing over the 101. I used to see it often--I grew up on Marathon Street some distance north on Vermont, across from the LACC campus, and my mom used Vermont as a main street often.

Only my second post or so, but I've been following this terrific site for years. This is the first time I've beaten the resident experts to the punch on a location--much respect to them.
Thanks for figuring out the location of my 'mystery' slide Jungmann. I was beginning to think it was going to stay a mystery.


And the mountains match this time. (unlike my failed attempt on Cahuenga)



N. Vermont Ave

See original slide here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=36029

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Kodachrome slide, 1958.

"Original 35mm color slide of a street scene in Los Angeles, California on a corner at 2000 W Olympic Boulevard in front of an auto repair shop with an ad for Mobil Oil."*



http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Los-Ang...MAAOSwqBJXUNsF

I believe all the buildings you see across the street are gone.



Here's the same view today. (the Mobil station is still there)


gsv

I just realized the white building in the vintage slide is still there! (it's hidden behind the motel that's painted baby poop brown)





Here's a closer look.


gsv

It's none other than the Navarro Apartments.





We've seen it before http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9723

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Thank you to Hoss C for his recent post on this unique and ultra modern restaurant....and comments by ER.

My parents would often take out-of-town guests to Welch's in the 1950s. I loved the restaurant. It catered to children and that's why my parents took us there. Plus, the food was outstanding.

The owner, Mr. Welch, had been the manager of the Navy Officer's club at the Naval Station Long Beach during WWII. His mother had built several restaurants herself back in the 1930s. Therefore the whole Welch Family had a lot of food establishment experience.

I'm acquainted with Mr. Welch's daughter who was hostess of Welch's. We've exchanged emails. A few years ago she sent me some old Welsh's matchbooks.

Photo taken from the south east corner of the intersection.


That's a red lobster in the palm tree...


This salad bar was a soft pink color and they always had some bright red lobsters on the ice. Families were seated in this area at the right. Couples were seated in the Tropical Room in previous post.



The text at the bottom of this kid's menu is a testament of how kids were treated at Welch's...always welcome, even though the establishment was very adult oriented.
The kid's plates were as elaborate as the adult servings....just a bit smaller portions.



Sadly it was replaced by a nondescript medical building.

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Interesting CBD...thanks for the additional information (and memories) of Welch's.




New to NLA.


1958 Kodachrome slide of the Vine street Brown Derby, with a very nice looking car out front.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-1958-35...wAAOSwqfNXjvyy

Has anyone heard of Miss Pat Gresham and her organ? )
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(I've lightened the slide quite a bit / the derby was pretty much in shadow)
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Kodachrome slide, 1958.

"Original 35mm color slide of a street scene in Los Angeles, California on a corner at 2000 W Olympic Boulevard in front of an auto repair shop with an ad for Mobil Oil."*



http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Los-Ang...MAAOSwqBJXUNsF

I just realized the white building in the vintage slide is still there!

Here's a closer look.


gsv

It's none other than the Navarro Apartments.





We've seen it before http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9723

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That's some nice lamp post detail in the vintage photo, e_r. Here's another, undated, view of the Navarro Apartments, which I've enlarged a bit:


UCLA

The original building permit image is not available, but it's dated September 14, 1908. There is another permit from August 7, 1964,
which refers to a "parapet correction." Maybe that's when the building got its haircut?
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Interesting CBD...thanks for the additional information (and memories) of Welch's.




New to NLA.


1958 Kodachrome slide of the Vine street Brown Derby, with a very nice looking car out front.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-1958-35...wAAOSwqfNXjvyy

Has anyone heard of Miss Pat Gresham and her organ? )
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(I've lightened the slide quite a bit / the derby was pretty much in shadow)
I have never heard of Pat Gresham (and her organ) but the name made me flash on Pat Collins "the Hip Hypnotist" who was a fixture on the Strip for many years. Has she been discussed here previously? And does anyone know the location of the club where she performed or its name? I went there once (late 70's) and it was a memorable evening.
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Blaster, you probably saw Pat Collin's at the nightclub she owned called the "Celebrity Club'.


https://rwsoiree.com/les-mccann-ltd/

It was located on Sunset Boulevard and Doheny Drive,


.....at 9103 Sunset to be exact.


eBay










Here's a glamour portrait of Pat Collins 'The Hip Hypnotist'.


http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-..._1_pat-collins





In 1966, she even appeared in an episode of 'The Lucy Show'. (I remember this episode. I would have only been 6 years old!)


CLICK HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRgboNPk7Ow

That's Lucy slumped over in the middle. (and I believe that's Mister Mooney by Pat's elbow )






Apparently Pat entered Tammy Faye Baker territory in later years.


http://www.nndb.com/people/086/000353024/

-not sure who the dude is.



You can read more of her life here:
http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-..._1_pat-collins


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I just realized the building that housed Pat Collins Celebrity Club is still standing!



gsv



Here's a wider view.


gsv

In the same building as Gil Turner's.


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Thanks Ethereal for the Pat Collins info --

In the late 70's, I lived on Olive Drive, south of Sunset and the Comedy Store, north of Santa Monica Bvd and Barney's Beanery.
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I lived on Hancock between Sunset (where Holloway meets Sunset) and Santa Monica Blvd. in the 1980s.

I'm glad you brought up Pat Collins Blaster, what an interesting character she was!
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The other mainstay of the Strip during that era was Skip E. Lowe at the Continental Hyatt House, next door to the Comedy Store. (Martin Short's Jiminy Glick character is largely based on the Skipster.)
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Pat Collins at the Interlude

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Blaster, you probably saw Pat Collin's at the nightclub she owned called the "Celebrity Club'.


https://rwsoiree.com/les-mccann-ltd/

It was located on Sunset Boulevard and Doheny Drive,


.....at 9103 Sunset to be exact.


eBay












Here's a glamour portrait of Pat Collins 'The Hip Hypnotist'.


http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-..._1_pat-collins





In 1966, she even appeared in an episode of 'The Lucy Show'. (I remember this episode. I would have only been 6 years old!)


CLICK HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRgboNPk7Ow

That's Lucy slumped over in the middle. (and I believe that's Mister Mooney by Pat's elbow )






Apparently Pat entered Tammy Faye Baker territory in later years.


http://www.nndb.com/people/086/000353024/

-not sure who the dude is.



You can read more of her life here:
http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-..._1_pat-collins




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Surprising that no one (including her obituary writer) mentions that "Miss" Pat Collins was a regular "for years" at The Interlude, above The Crescendo on The Strip. I well remember the ads for her at The Interlude in the Times when I was a teenager in the mid 60's. Presumably her popularity there propelled her into her own "Celebrity Club."

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