How is NIMBYism in your city?

[Double L]

I think there needs to be some form of negotiation between nimbys and public officials. If there is an opportunity to improve the soon to be constructed property in ways which can improve the neighborhood, then let nimbys communicate that but both sides need to be willing to work with each other. A nimby which says no to everything will never work.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by RCDC

How can you tell?

Use your best judgement. For example, any regulation that limits density subsidizes sprawl on the margin. Also note that cities like Tokyo, which has very laissez-faire land use policies relative to any Western city, has virtually zero suburban growth. So it's not clear that we'd have any sprawl if we adopted similar policies.

Mostly real estate markets strike me as being inherently efficient. I'm not sure why so many people want to regulate them so heavily. What exactly is the market failure you're trying to correct?

[RCDC]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I'd like to know how many people who throw around the term NIMBY actually own their own home....

Good question, still unanswered.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by RCDC

Good question, still unanswered.

It's been answered, try and keep up.

[RCDC]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

It's been answered, try and keep up.

Stop spreading lies.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by Double L

I think there needs to be some form of negotiation between nimbys and public officials. If there is an opportunity to improve the soon to be constructed property in ways which can improve the neighborhood, then let nimbys communicate that but both sides need to be willing to work with each other. A nimby which says no to everything will never work.

I'm not sure what you mean by "improving the neighborhood" here. We already have a good way of providing public goods, which is to have the government pay for it via taxation. By trying to extract it out of private developers we're just shifting the cost burden from the taxpayers to renters and non-incumbent homeowners. It makes the cost much less transparent and has (IMO) undesirable distributional effects.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by RCDC

Stop spreading lies.

Shoo shoo troll

[RCDC]

^not interested in a pissing contest with someone who just makes pat declarations. Just tell yourself you "won".

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by RCDC

^not interested in a pissing contest with someone who just makes pat declarations. Just tell yourself you "won".

Let me know when you're ready to contribute to the discussion chief.

[RCDC]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

Let me know when you're ready to contribute to the discussion chief.

You first, sprawl puppet.

[Double L]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

I'm not sure what you mean by "improving the neighborhood" here. We already have a good way of providing public goods, which is to have the government pay for it via taxation. By trying to extract it out of private developers we're just shifting the cost burden from the taxpayers to renters and non-incumbent homeowners. It makes the cost much less transparent and has (IMO) undesirable distributional effects.

Uh, I'm saying that the new building would improve the neighborhood of course. Asking the developer to change their development in order to help the neighborhood is not too much to ask for, if they plan on constructing an almost permanent project in the neighborhood of course.

[ChargerCarl]

Eek sprawl!

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by Double L

Uh, I'm saying that the new building would improve the neighborhood of course. Asking the developer to change their development in order to help the neighborhood is not too much to ask for, if they plan on constructing in the neighborhood of course.

I disagree. I think it is too much to ask for. It's exactly what NIMBYs use to oppose higher density development and ensures that neighborhoods never change.

[Double L]

I think a developer has a responsibility to the neighborhood they build in, that they have a project which would be good for the neighborhood. That is not too much to ask for. If you are asking a property owner to concede some of their personal interests to some developer, the developer should be able to do the same.

[RCDC]

Originally Posted by Double L

I think a developer has a responsibility to the neighborhood they build in, that they have a project which would be good for the neighborhood. That is not too much to ask for. If you are asking a property owner to concede some of their personal interests to some developer, the developer should be able to do the same.

This is a perfectly reasonable position.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by Double L

I think a developer has a responsibility to the neighborhood they build in, that they have a project which would be good for the neighborhood. That is not too much to ask for. If you are asking a property owner to concede some of their personal interests to some developer, the developer should be able to do the same.

For most people when you purchase your home you don't purchase a stake in the neighborhood, just the property. The developer should only have a responsibility to their customer who's willing to pay. Property owners aren't conceding their personal interest to a developer any more than you concede yours when someone anywhere buys any sort of product.

Given real estate's is inherent efficiency this maximizes total welfare.

[RCDC]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

Eek sprawl!

Nice picture I guess. What's your point?

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by RCDC

Nice picture I guess. What's your point?

Try reading what I've written, especially about Tokyo.

[Double L]

So you purchase the product and the quality of the product changes. Don't you have a right to complain to the person who made the product?

Homeowners buy in a neighborhood, then a developer comes and changes the neighborhood. When you bought the property, the quality of the neighborhood was an issue concerning your decision. You have a right to have a say in the quality of your neighborhood, you invested your money into that neighborhood. I would love to see somebody build something undesirable where you live and see how you feel.

[RCDC]

Originally Posted by ChargerCarl

Try reading what I've written, especially about Tokyo.

What have you written?