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I would be very suprised if the extension didn't start on schedule. This is a priority for the city.
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Actually , they've tabled this project for construction over the last ten or fifteen years. Every time it went up before council it got pushed back to the next capital expenditures round (every five years I believe) Now that Harbourview South has gone ahead as well as so much more in East St. Paul they've pretty much left themselves with no choice but to build the thing finally. Lastly, I saw in the paper a month or so ago that the city is finally looking at filling in that gap between Transcona and the Kildonans (well, they're looking at the neighbourhood structure plan but that's generally a precursor to green-lighting development)

In other words, it looks like the city has no choice at this point but to build the extension or the voters in those areas will start booting people out of office.
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Like I said, they'll have to. Unless they already have someone under a P3 partnership, they'll have to build it sooner than later, or else the damn thing will never be built with rising construction costs and shortage of labour these days.
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Like I said, they'll have to. Unless they already have someone under a P3 partnership, they'll have to build it sooner than later, or else the damn thing will never be built with rising construction costs and shortage of labour these days.
I believe it is a P3 project ... as the Charleswood Parkway is. The City's contribution to construction will only be a fraction of the total cost.
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to be honest I'm a little embarrassed for Winnipeg that it's taken half a century for this project to finally be started. I've been hearing talk about the extension being built every couple of years since they built the bridge in 1990.
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Is there any sort of timeline for completing the Cheif Peguis west to Route 90, or even McPhillips?
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There are rumours floating around that Peguis will be tied to another road project and bundled as a P3 to make it worthwhile for bidders. On it's own, it doesn't have enough dollar value to warrant a P3.
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Is there any sort of timeline for completing the Cheif Peguis west to Route 90, or even McPhillips?
About 6 years ago, they expropriated land around Highland Avenue, moving or tearing down the houses that were in the path of the potential extension of Chief Peguis Trail west of Main St. Although, I don't think it will be built in the next 5 years. Maybe 10 years down the road for sure, but I think the east/west route of Chief Peguis/Main/Leila/McPhillips/Inkster/Route 90 is "okay" for now, but there might be some side effects to this route if the western extension to Route 90 is built.
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Wasn't there an article in the FP recently that stated the Chief Peguis trail extention will be delayed due to a lack of funds from the City?
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Wasn't there an article in the FP recently that stated the Chief Peguis trail extention will be delayed due to a lack of funds from the City?
It actually stated that the expected cost of the list of planned infrastructure projects had risen. It didn't not suggest this project would be delayed.

I have heard this is a high priority project.. and will progress.

The fact is as Winnipeg becomes more efficient, by contracting out major projects to the private sector, or better still tie them into a P3 contract agreement Winnipeg will get a better bang for its money. Since this efficiency process is still at an early stage the city is still finding the financing of its long list of projects a challenge, but I expect to see many more P3's in the future.
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By Bartley Kives

Dark line shows route $64-million extension will take.

ST. Boniface Coun. Dan Vandal is calling for an audit into the increasingly costly Chief Peguis Trail extension, as council votes to approve the $64-million link between Henderson Highway and Lagimodière Boulevard.
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City council meets this morning to debate the 2008 capital budget, a blueprint for $2.1 billion in spending on roads, bridges, buildings and water treatment over the next six years.

The second-largest road-construction project in the budget is the Chief Peguis Trail extension, with a projected cost that ballooned from $34 million to $64 million in less than a year.

In November, Mayor Sam Katz decried the faulty calculations that led to the initial low-ball of the Chief Peguis estimate, and complained that Winnipeg routinely gets nailed by construction inflation rates that far exceed those that plague the private sector.
Katz pledged to reform in the way Winnipeg tenders projects, but Vandal now says he wants the city auditor to dissect the Chief Peguis planning process right away.

In the meantime, the St. Boniface councillor will attempt to strike the Chief Peguis Trail extension from the capital budget.

"We could finance the additional $30 million or we could get the real story and find out what went wrong. If this was the private sector, heads would roll and people would lose their jobs," Vandal said.

"Council needs to regain the public's confidence, and the only way to do that is an audit. As far as I'm concerned, the whole project is out of control."

However, city auditor Shannon Hunt is already in the midst of reviewing the way Winnipeg plans major construction projects. Back in the spring, the auditor's office identified capital projects as an area of significant risk, given the rapid rate of construction inflation in Western Canada.

Deputy auditor Brian Whiteside said his office is reviewing how the city selects and approves capital projects and will also review eight completed projects "from the cradle to the grave."

This audit process began well before September, when the city's chief financial officer and acting chief administrator placed a freeze on capital spending and conducted a review that found the city already faced a $50 million shortfall on construction projects that had not even started, thanks to inflation.

That review led city number crunchers to build inflationary pressures into the 2008 capital budget and also led the city to explore new ways to tender major projects, partly with the help of a new infrastructure specialist, Henry Hunter.

"I can emphatically tell you our staff has acknowledged the problem," said Katz, claiming the cost overruns on Chief Peguis Trail were only discovered as a result of the capital spending freeze and subsequent review.
"If we hadn't already been fixing the system, Coun. Vandal wouldn't even know there was a problem," the mayor continued.

"I welcome his sudden interest in capital cost overruns, but he should know from documents passed by council, the city auditor is looking into capital budgets. She's been doing so long before Coun. Vandal sought to make it an issue or seek press coverage."

Katz surmised Vandal's real issue with the Chief Peguis Trail extension may be that the city plans to finance the project through a public-private partnership, a mechanism unpopular with left-leaning members of council.

Vandal, however, said Winnipeggers are simply being left in the dark.

"When the mayor of the city doesn't have an answer, there's usually something wrong," he said.

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The 2008 Capital Budget has been approved at City Hall.
Councillors voted 12-4 in favour of the five year plan which has a big focus on construction projects. Among those projects is the Chief Peguis Trail which will now cost 60-million dollars to build, up from an estimated 35-million and will be a public/private partnership or P3, with a target completion date of 2010.

The McGillivray widening project will no longer be a P3, but will be cash financed to provide room for the Chief Peguis Trail.

Councillors Jenny Gerbasi, Harvey Smith, Lillian Thomas and Dan Vandal voted against the budget.

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That's great. It will go ahead as planned.

So do we expect to see them digging as early as next year or the year after?
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That's great. It will go ahead as planned.

So do we expect to see them digging as early as next year or the year after?

Site clearing and prep work should start in spring. Excavation in summer & fall and paving in 2009. Apparently the overpass at Rothesay will most likely be scrapped.
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thats a shame about the over pass...
lage should become elivated highway...
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Apparently the overpass at Rothesay will most likely be scrapped.
I wonder how many sets of traffic lights the Chief Peguis extension will have?
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I wonder how many sets of traffic lights the Chief Peguis extension will have?

It's Winnipeg; you know there will be at least 20
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2007, 4:30 AM
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I am very happy to see this project deal finally get done.
2.1 Billion in new capital spending ... including this new expressway!!

Of course Vandal proved once again he's willing to put his union buddies ahead of the city. Anything to block a P3 agreement. What a shame such a bottom feeder made it back into council.... but luckily the city council still had overwelming support for the capital budget. Funny we heard nothing from Vandel when numerous Murray lead union built projects when miles over budget. I guess thats what is to be expected from a guy with such little integrity. I praise Katz for bringing in someone specialized who will oversee how the city will project capital costs in the future, including placing a buffer for inflation.

As far as the overpass .. I had not heard it was cancelled. In fact I believe it was part of the P3 agreement. If it has been taken out I will be disappointed, but hopefully it will still be an option in the future.

Now lets gets this baby started!!
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I am very happy to see this project deal finally get done.
2.1 Billion in new capital spending ... including this new expressway!!
WhOa! , Anything with as many traffic lights and at grade crossings as thing can hardly be considered an expressway.

Second, as a life long resident of NK (Gilmore Ave specifically) I can attest that traffic in this neighbourhood is hardly problematic. Even in the height of rushhour I can still get downtown in about 10 mins. To drive out to say, Crossroads, it takes no more than 7 mins.

This project came to be because 10 people living around a Cul De Sac made the world's biggest stink about (gasp) cars actually using their street. If you listened to those guys on Ragsdill you'd swear they were living on Portage Ave. Gilmore is at least twice as busy as that street and I find it quite manageable.

I wish our politicians worked nearly as hard to solve the very real traffic problems that exist along Pembina. For the same amount of money we could have bought the first line of a Rapid Transit link out to the university.
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Is there any sort of timeline for completing the Cheif Peguis west to Route 90, or even McPhillips?
Because this is a REALLY REALLY great idea if we want to rejuvinate downtown.
Make it even easier for suburbanites to avoid it completely.
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