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Old Posted Jul 13, 2012, 11:31 PM
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Here is the drainage report for the area around the underpass:
http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...age_Report.pdf

From what I can see from the site maps near the end of the report, none (or little) of Al Golden's land will be required for the intersection.

Of course these are preliminary designs and are subject to change by Russ Watt and co at Silly Hall.

Here is the Executive Version of the above report.
http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...e_Proposal.pdf

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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 9:32 PM
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Still looking to see a start on construction. The closest has been two Hydro trucks playing with the wires and a few stakes driven in the ground.

My question for the panel at large is, Has Russ Wyatt been duped by Sammy again?
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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 9:49 PM
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Still looking to see a start on construction. The closest has been two Hydro trucks playing with the wires and a few stakes driven in the ground.

My question for the panel at large is, Has Russ Wyatt been duped by Sammy again?
Still awaiting the tender, City keeps pushing it back. This will be week 6 I believe. So really there will be no work completed for a good while.

And PS, there is no interchange. Just the rail underpass.
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i heard (but not confirmed) that there are 3 gas lines that run parrallel to the tracks that need to be re-located that no one was aware of causing price to go up up up. One of the gas lines is Jet fuel?
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 4:02 PM
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i heard (but not confirmed) that there are 3 gas lines that run parrallel to the tracks that need to be re-located that no one was aware of causing price to go up up up. One of the gas lines is Jet fuel?
Correct about the jet fuel. Not sure regarding the price or if they were unknown.

As far as I've heard (this week) the budget is within $77M.
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 4:24 PM
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i heard (but not confirmed) that there are 3 gas lines that run parrallel to the tracks that need to be re-located that no one was aware of causing price to go up up up. One of the gas lines is Jet fuel?
The Winnipeg Jets have been out of fuel for some time. Now that we know where the 'jet fuel gas line' is, perhaps someone should get them fuelled up.
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 4:47 PM
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There are two lines that come from the Edbridge pipeline/tank farm in Gretna and cross the rail tracks on the east side. One turns west on the north side of the tracks and feeds the Shell tank farm and the other runs all the way through Transcona to the the Esso tank farm in East St. Paul.

I have never heard of a dedicated jet fuel line as these are the same two lines that were also impacted in the Floodway expansion and there was no mention of jet fuel then.

As there is a big valve station and the crossing markers required by law next to the tracks I don't think that the existence of the pipelines was a surprise.

It may be that the pipeline company came in with a cost to move the pipes and valve station that was more than the underpass consultants estimated.
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 4:52 PM
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Still looking to see a start on construction. The closest has been two Hydro trucks playing with the wires and a few stakes driven in the ground.

My question for the panel at large is, Has Russ Wyatt been duped by Sammy again?
There was a quick note in today' s Free Press saying EPC to keep the project on the building timeline has approved expropriation of lands required for the underpass if the landowners don't want to sell.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...207500631.html
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 7:42 PM
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i heard (but not confirmed) that there are 3 gas lines that run parrallel to the tracks that need to be re-located that no one was aware of causing price to go up up up. One of the gas lines is Jet fuel?
Liquid petroleum product pipelines carry all products. Product deliveries are separated by a all-compatible base stock and are indicated (beginning and end) by a small radioactive charge.
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Liquid petroleum product pipelines carry all products. Product deliveries are separated by a all-compatible base stock and are indicated (beginning and end) by a small radioactive charge.
Interesting, didn't know that. Always wondered how that worked, specifically diesel vs premium vs regular. Didn't think they would have one pipeline for each product.
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Why wouldn't they just build an overpass which goes over Dugald as well? No gas lines to move and you wouldn't even have to move or alter the train tracks (like the center port way CPR overpass).
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Why wouldn't they just build an overpass which goes over Dugald as well? No gas lines to move and you wouldn't even have to move or alter the train tracks (like the center port way CPR overpass).
Goes over Dugald? One of the main traffic issues is cars coming from Dugald turning to Plessis being held up by passing trains
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Why wouldn't they just build an overpass which goes over Dugald as well? No gas lines to move and you wouldn't even have to move or alter the train tracks (like the center port way CPR overpass).
You know why? Everybody's going to love this one.

Russ Wyatt strong armed this down city halls throat. Stood on the side of the tracks and made a big scene. The budget is set at $77M not a penny more. The overpass is the ideal option and the city agrees.

The kicker? To build a rail overpass and parclo at Dugald would bring the cost up over the $77M budget. I won't go into specifics. There's no more money for this project and it needs to be at substantial completion by October 2014. Going to be tight.
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You know why? Everybody's going to love this one.

Russ Wyatt strong armed this down city halls throat. Stood on the side of the tracks and made a big scene. The budget is set at $77M not a penny more. The overpass is the ideal option and the city agrees.

The kicker? To build a rail overpass and parclo at Dugald would bring the cost up over the $77M budget. I won't go into specifics. There's no more money for this project and it needs to be at substantial completion by October 2014. Going to be tight.
This has everything to do with the strict guidelines to receiving federal grants. If the city doesn't get the project done by their deadline, they lose the federal money and will be on hook for the whole amount because the project will already be going.
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This has everything to do with the strict guidelines to receiving federal grants. If the city doesn't get the project done by their deadline, they lose the federal money and will be on hook for the whole amount because the project will already be going.
Correct. It's the same for most of the other large, public projects going on.

But if they would have done some actual planning, like take a few years and get all the ducks in a row. I'm about 90% sure we would be seeing the overpass/parclo.
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Correct. It's the same for most of the other large, public projects going on.

But if they would have done some actual planning, like take a few years and get all the ducks in a row. I'm about 90% sure we would be seeing the overpass/parclo.
Hehe... You shouldn't be preaching to me, because I don't think both an underpass and an overpass are both unsustainable and shouldn't be built in the first place.
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Old Posted May 17, 2013, 5:58 PM
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From the latest status report to the City of Winnipeg Standing Committee on Finance:

Critical Risks:
• Property Acquisitions
o Property requirements have been finalized and Planning, Property & Development has
assembled the draft expropriation report. The anticipated possession date of
expropriated properties is December, 2013. Negotiations with affected property owners
are ongoing and contingency plans (e.g. temporary utility connections) have been
developed, where possible, if negotiations are unsuccessful
o An easement is required at 2125 Dugald Road for the rail shoofly; there is no
contingency plan for this work. City staff and our design consultant have met with the
owner on several occasions to discuss the construction impact to the business and
gather and address concerns. This easement needs to be successfully negotiated by
May, 2013, otherwise the delay to constructing the rail shoofly will delay bridge
construction
o Other property requirements that must be successfully negotiated to accommodate
construction in 2013 include CN Rail, Fresh Water Fish Marketing Corporation, and 2129
Dugald Road

• Schedule
o The proposed 2014 completion date is aggressive
o Construction of the rail shoofly is anticipated to commence in Spring 2013 and bridge
construction is expected to commence immediately after the shoofly is put into service.
The bridge is expected to be operational in Fall 2014, and removal of the rail shoofly,
excavation and works below the structure would need to be completed under potentially
unfavorable weather conditions prior to the end of 2014
o The construction works are being consolidated into as few contracts as practical to
minimize procurement periods as well as coordination between contractors
o Inclusion of early completion incentives for construction will be reviewed
o A report delegating the authority to award contracts greater than $10,000,000 to the
CAO is in circulation to minimize procurement periods
• Costs
o The additional $2,000,000 the City of Winnipeg is contributing to this project may not be
sufficient to cover ineligible costs identified by the Building Canada Fund, which may
include:
 Overheads and Other - costs incurred prior to federal approval-in-principle
(owner controlled insurance coverage and sewer televising; $400,000); overhead
and administration expenditures ($2,200,000)
 Any and all expenditures related to contracts signed prior to federal approval-inprincipal
(Professional Service Contracts; $1,650,000)
• AECOM Canada Ltd.’s contract includes future services for which fees
need to be negotiated and approved by the City
 Expenditures incurred after the project completion date (outstanding works
beneath structure, outstanding landscaping, associated professional services;
$3,500,000) (these could be mitigated through an extension similar to one
negotiated for the 2010 Infrastructure Stimulus Fund AT Program)
 The cost of purchasing land and associated fees ($2,650,000)
 Expenditures relating to services delivered directly by permanent employees of
the City ($1,500,000)
o Once the draft contribution agreements are received from the federal and provincial
governments, clarification may be required regarding costs incurred prior to approval-inprincipal,
contracts signed prior to approval-in-principal, the project completion date, and
services delivered by employees of the City. The Project Business Case identified
Traffic Signals, Traffic Services, Geomatics, Forestry and Underground Structures as
eligible costs

High Risk:
• CN Rail
o CN Rail is supplying rail track for the project and has indicated it will take six months for
delivery. To expedite the supply while an agreement is outstanding, CN Rail was
provided with a Purchase Order Number for their works in January, 2013. In late March,
2013, CN Rail requested a Letter of Intent from the City of Winnipeg before ordering the
materials. A Single Source Negotiation and Award Report for these works will be
submitted to the CFO for approval. The rail needs to be delivered to the site prior to
September 1, 2013
o CN Rail requires sealed drawings for all pipeline crossings, including the temporary
shoofly. To expedite the approvals, all utilities have been instructed to notify our design
consultant when the drawings are submitted who will follow-up with CN Rail’s approvals
office in Edmonton
• Shell Canada
o Shell Canada’s pipeline needs to be relocated by the end of 2013
o Shell Canada has indicated that they will not proceed with their design works until the
City of Winnipeg signs the Letter of Intent submitted on March 26, 2013. Once the letter
is signed and returned to Shell Canada Limited, an agreement to finalize the design and
relocate the pipeline needs to be negotiated within 60 days
• Imperial Oil Limited
o Imperial Oil Limited indicated they do not have the resources to design and relocate their
pipeline, and the City needs to procure these services. Imperial Oil Limited
recommended an engineering consultant for these works. The City of Winnipeg
requested a proposal from our design consultant identifying Imperial Oil Limited’s
recommended consultant as a subconsultant
o At the value engineering workshop, a concept was proposed to avoid relocating Imperial
Oil Limited’s pipeline. The concept has been further developed by our design consultant
but requires further review by Imperial Oil Limited’s recommended consultant
o Imperial Oil Limited’s pipe crosses the rail track and may need to be encased beneath
the rail shoofly
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Old Posted May 17, 2013, 6:00 PM
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Hehe... You shouldn't be preaching to me, because I don't think both an underpass and an overpass are both unsustainable and shouldn't be built in the first place.
Lol Yes that's right, nevermind then.
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Old Posted May 17, 2013, 7:46 PM
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Tender is out today on the City of Winnipeg bid site.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/MatMgt/Folder...2013&YEAR=2013
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^^^That is for the Shoo-Fly Detour and underground works. The full project will be out in summer.
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