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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 5:08 PM
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guys, generation z (sorry) are GRADUATING COLLEGE and are moving into cities, although i presume not in the same massive wave due to demographics. however, im early millennial and i have GREY HAIRS and live in inner suburbia and probably am here to stay.


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I'm surprised to see Boston's millennial population drop. Anyone have any idea what may have happened there?
If you look at the graph, Boston peaked in 2010 then dropped in 2011, then reached a new peak in 2015.

Same for L.A. and Chicago: peaked in 2011 followed by a drop, then reached a new peak in 2015.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 5:14 PM
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 5:17 PM
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that graph is at least 4 years old, btw, and i dont consider anyone currently in the traditional bachelors degree attaining age bracket to be millennial.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 5:19 PM
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Well, the labels make sense. Each generation in the US during the 20th century has been generally distinct from one other based on the historical events they have been through. Even the young Baby Boomers would not be similar to the young Millienials right now.
Those generations don't form a monolithical group nor remain unchanged as they years pass.

People are just so addicted to categorize everything and keep making up those imaginary blocs of people.

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Yeah they could just measure it by the 18 to 29 crowd or some other fixed metric.

Some cities the figures are really skewed if they have a ton of colleges in the city. In these cities, the population of the 18-24 age group will always be steady no matter how healthy the city is.
Exactly. People of certain age come and then go. It's been like this since forever.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 5:22 PM
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i fully agree its a click-baity article, but on the one hand ive heard a lot of ancedotal stories about how millenials are choosing to raise kids in the city and that they WERENT following the trend back to suburbia, so did find it interesting to suggest there may be an out-migration occurring. and i do think it will be interesting to see how the next generations preferences change, in regards to neighborhoods, amenities, and cities in general. from a Gen Z perspective, cities that have been built around millennial's preferences may appear out of touch in a way that Boomer suburbia was out of touch with millennials.
No one has ever said "all Millenials are having kids and staying in the city", if you somehow got that out of numerous conversations on this board then you have serious reading comprehension issues. The argument that people have been making is that Millenials are choosing to stay in the city and raise kids at a much higher rate than other generations before them. That does not mean all Millenials are staying, that does not mean no one will ever live in the suburbs again, that does not mean that the number of Millenials in the city will go up until 100% of them live here, that does not mean that there isn't a "peak Millenial", at some point they start dying and numbers go down. This article is observing the obvious, at some point some people will in fact move to the suburbs when they have a family. The question is how many people will do that today vs 10 years ago vs 20 years ago vs 50 years ago. The number of Millenials staying in the city is far greater than previous generations.

Oh and by the way, one year does not a trend make. All these "peak Millenial" graphs show like one year of slight decline and call it a trend. That's idiotic, the graphs themselves show another drop around 2011 or 2012, by the measure of this article they could have published this in 2012 or 2013 and said "OMG PEAK MILLENIAL". In conclusion: this article is fucking clickbait garbage with zero value for anyone interested in actual trends. Come talk to me when there have been three or four years of declines for a set age group (i.e. number of 20-30 year olds in the city, not an arbitrary generational thing that is bound to fluctuate over time).
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 5:46 PM
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No one has ever said "all Millenials are having kids and staying in the city", if you somehow got that out of numerous conversations on this board then you have serious reading comprehension issues. The argument that people have been making is that Millenials are choosing to stay in the city and raise kids at a much higher rate than other generations before them. That does not mean all Millenials are staying, that does not mean no one will ever live in the suburbs again, that does not mean that the number of Millenials in the city will go up until 100% of them live here, that does not mean that there isn't a "peak Millenial", at some point they start dying and numbers go down. This article is observing the obvious, at some point some people will in fact move to the suburbs when they have a family. The question is how many people will do that today vs 10 years ago vs 20 years ago vs 50 years ago. The number of Millenials staying in the city is far greater than previous generations.
this is a good point, i mean gen x just did not stick around a lot of inner areas of cities much at all. my neighbors were like elderly and my age or younger when i lived in more pioneering neighborhoods. now that i live in an inner, generally pre-war suburb i've caught up with the more "edgy" generation x'ers, it feels like, wheras i just sold out and wanted quiet walkability.

the thing is that the generational waves are actually backing into cities, if that makes any sense.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2018, 6:51 PM
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Another thing to note is that this is a horribly general measure. Just the number of people between X and Y years is stupid. For example, Chicago's graphs shows the numbers more or less flat for years, but the question is which Millenials are we talking about?

In Chicago huge numbers of people are fleeing the South and West sides. That is a demographic trend entirely on its own and it includes a lot of "Millenials". If the topic of the discussion is "Millenials who were not born and raised in the city" I have a feeling the numbers for Chicago would show a steep incline for the last 10 years because huge numbers of Millenials who were born and raised here have moved out while huge numbers of wealthy, highly educated, Millenials have migrated in from the suburbs or outside of the metro.

I would be much more interested to see the numbers for Millenials who have moved into the city from outside of it and what percentage of them are sticking around after kids. Just a "people between 24 and 32" measuring stick tells us literally nothing in a society where you have so many sub cultures and splintered demographics.
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All this is really arbitrary right now since we don't have huge wars or social movements anymore that shaped generations and defined them, there's little to no difference between how an 18-year-old and a 25-year-old today was raised, it's basically the same bloated generation of continued millennials.
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All this is really arbitrary right now since we don't have huge wars or social movements anymore that shaped generations and defined them, there's little to no difference between how an 18-year-old and a 25-year-old today was raised, it's basically the same bloated generation of continued millennials.
Technology is different. Essentially the difference now is whether social media was something that “came out” when you were in college or high school, or something that has always been part of your life.
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Technology is different. Essentially the difference now is whether social media was something that “came out” when you were in college or high school, or something that has always been part of your life.
Mark Zuckerberg is 34 years old. That means he created Facebook about 15 years ago and that wasn't actually the first "social media" phenomenon. MySpace is also 15, created in 2003. I guess that means today's 25 year old was in primary school, age 10, when they started. I've been observing my nephews--at that age they were more into playing games of their phones and iPads than using social media so I'd say today's 25 year olds have had it available about as long as it has mattered.
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Another thing to note is that this is a horribly general measure. Just the number of people between X and Y years is stupid. For example, Chicago's graphs shows the numbers more or less flat for years, but the question is which Millenials are we talking about?

In Chicago huge numbers of people are fleeing the South and West sides. That is a demographic trend entirely on its own and it includes a lot of "Millenials". If the topic of the discussion is "Millenials who were not born and raised in the city" I have a feeling the numbers for Chicago would show a steep incline for the last 10 years because huge numbers of Millenials who were born and raised here have moved out while huge numbers of wealthy, highly educated, Millenials have migrated in from the suburbs or outside of the metro.

I would be much more interested to see the numbers for Millenials who have moved into the city from outside of it and what percentage of them are sticking around after kids. Just a "people between 24 and 32" measuring stick tells us literally nothing in a society where you have so many sub cultures and splintered demographics.
Doesn't matter the thread, nothing gets Chicago posters off more than gleefully posting about all the black people leaving the south and west sides...it's repeated over and over again. We get it.
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Doesn't matter the thread, nothing gets Chicago posters off more than gleefully posting about all the black people leaving the south and west sides...it's repeated over and over again. We get it.
You don't think the huge numbers of people that were born and raised here that are leaving Chicago for very obvious reasons related to crime and poverty has any relevance in this thread? I mean do you really think that this trend should just be ignored when people are asking "is the trend of Millenials moving to the city ending" and that it's not relevant to point out how many Millenials who started off in the city are leaving?

Oh and by the way, despite whatever negatives come with the dissolution of some of these communities, the dissolution of concentrated segregation and poverty is, in fact, something to be quite gleeful about. I don't understand why anyone is like "YES! I love that there are huge ghettos where impoverished African Americans are totally segregated from society!" like you are. In what world is that a good thing? These persons are not moving because someone is chasing them with a hot iron forcing them to leave, they are leaving for greener pastures elsewhere on their own accord. And I believe they are finding them too whether it's in smaller Midwestern cities or elsewhere in the country. Des Moines, IA, with the 8th highest per capita GDP in the United States, can handle a little dilution of their lily white demographics. It is good for everyone involved for some of the South or West side to relocate there where they will have more opportunity to break the cycle of poverty and live a much more fair existence.

So you can paint it as people being "gleeful blacks are moving out" or you can admit that you have some sort of strange love for the maintenance of legacy segregation by race and income. My personal opinion is that any community that is nearly 100% segregated by race and poverty is inherently bad for everyone involved no matter what kind of "support structures" or whatnot the community has evolved to get by. We, as a society, can keep giving these communities fish (i.e. "support structures" and hot air from patronizing politicians who do nothing to actually help) and allow the status quo or entrenched poverty to continue, or we can teach them how to fish and help break the cycle. Personally I would much rather see the people on Chicago's South and West sides break out and be able to join mainstream American society with all it's opportunity. That will never happen as long as we allow the status quo to continue to perpetuity.
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^ The existence of a large racial underclass in America is not really a problem for cities to solve.

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Mark Zuckerberg is 34 years old. That means he created Facebook about 15 years ago and that wasn't actually the first "social media" phenomenon. MySpace is also 15, created in 2003. I guess that means today's 25 year old was in primary school, age 10, when they started. I've been observing my nephews--at that age they were more into playing games of their phones and iPads than using social media so I'd say today's 25 year olds have had it available about as long as it has mattered.
But today’s 25 year olds are the tail end of the “millennials”, or at least toward the end. The millennial generation started from 1982. I’m Zuckerberg’s age, joined Facebook when you still needed a .edu email address, and of course was in college at the time. Yes MySpace was around but few people actually used it.
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this is a good point, i mean gen x just did not stick around a lot of inner areas of cities much at all. my neighbors were like elderly and my age or younger when i lived in more pioneering neighborhoods. now that i live in an inner, generally pre-war suburb i've caught up with the more "edgy" generation x'ers, it feels like, wheras i just sold out and wanted quiet walkability.

the thing is that the generational waves are actually backing into cities, if that makes any sense.
I'm an X'er (44) and inner cities were still hit and miss in most areas and just started gentrifying when we were hitting it out on our own in our early 20's. Much different climate a few years later when the Millennials were coming into their own. When I was 20, NYC was still pretty much a dump, by the time the a Millennial hit 20, it was a very different city.
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When I was 20, NYC was still pretty much a dump, by the time the a Millennial hit 20, it was a very different city.
While this is public perception, there was always a large cohort of high earners in the traditional big cities.

Even in the worst years of the 1970's, Manhattan probably had the largest concentration of wealth on earth. Boston, Philly, DC, Chi and SF also had large bases of wealth, in neighborhoods like Rittenhouse Square, Back Bay, Beacon Hill, Georgetown, Duport Circle, Gold Coast, Pacific Heights, etc.

Certainly the image of big cities has changed markedly, and the proportion of high(er) earners staying in cities has risen, especially those with children. And the geography of "good neighborhoods" has massively expanded. But the overall changes are somewhat exaggerated.
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At the same time, there is no denying that American cities today are very different today from what they were in the '80s and '90s. I am also a Gen Xer. I remember visiting NY in the mid to late '80s and there was palpable sense of out of control chaos in the city back then. Even Minneapolis in the '90s had a homicide rate more comparable to Baltimore's or Chicago's today. The things that I remember from New York and Minneapolis in that era just don't happen anymore.

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While this is public perception, there was always a large cohort of high earners in the traditional big cities.

Even in the worst years of the 1970's, Manhattan probably had the largest concentration of wealth on earth. Boston, Philly, DC, Chi and SF also had large bases of wealth, in neighborhoods like Rittenhouse Square, Back Bay, Beacon Hill, Georgetown, Duport Circle, Gold Coast, Pacific Heights, etc.

Certainly the image of big cities has changed markedly, and the proportion of high(er) earners staying in cities has risen, especially those with children. And the geography of "good neighborhoods" has massively expanded. But the overall changes are somewhat exaggerated.
That was no perception, it was reality. Yes, NYC/ Manhattan always had extravagant wealth (personified by Trump among others) but step outside of that bubble and things were pretty rough..up until about 20-25 years ago where there become a renewed interest in urban living. I remember NY back then. Stripped down cars and bombed out buildings all over the place. I went back to some of these areas decades later and you would have to make millions to live there.

We moved to TX from NY in the 80's along with countless thousands other NY'ers during that time and those from the city all said the same thing, it was a pit and they had to get out.
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In 1985 I saw a jewelry store get robbed in Midtown Manhattan. It was the sort of store you had to be buzzed into. The thieves had a car, probably stolen. They waited for a gap between pedestrian traffic, rammed the car into the front of the building, ran into the store, grabbed as much as they could and then ran into the subway. This was the middle of lunch time in the spring, there were several thousand witnesses. There was another time that I was paying a cabbie, and a little kid reached in through the open window of the cab and tried to pull the money out of my hand. New York was crazy in the '80s.
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