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Originally Posted by big W
That doesn't matter until they want a job. When I was doing interviews during April we reviewed resumes with many people being international students. Those who could not speak properly unfortunately for them would not be hired and were not considered for the job since as a consultant we need to talk with clients and communicate. Those that could however had a leg up and I hired those that could speak English. Of the 5 people hired 3 were immigrants (with 2 moving to Edmonton for the job), one international student and one born and raised Edmontonian. So yes they may not speak English but when they want to work, they can't get the job unless they can speak.
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I know that. You missed the point.
I went to see a doctor at a large hospital here in China due to an inflammation in my knee. Scientific medicine. All the most modern technology. Really quite impressive. And what did the doctor tell me ? Said it was the cold wind that caused my knee to swell up and turn red. In the spring after a long cold winter. This is a guy who knows something about scientific medicine, pharmacology, and modern diagnostic equipment. And he still managed to tell me what the average medieval European barber would have told me. That was neither the first time I got such a nonsense diagnosis from people who really should know better and I'm definitely not the only Westerner to have had such an experience. A lot of Westerners find themselves self-diagnosing and self-medicating to a certain degree because they don't want to spend money on useless pills that they already know do absolutely nothing or get a diagnosis from a doctor that sounds like it was ripped directly out of some 'herbalist's' handbook.
So does that man have value as a potential immigrant ? Yes but not because he can come over and begin working as a doctor. He would need to have his previous mix of science and superstition run through a sieve and then have the precipitate vastly expanded upon. He's got a good amount of knowledge but it's mixed with nonsense that he was trained to believe is actually medically sound.
The question becomes whether or not we as Canadians should support him until he becomes a qualified doctor up to Canadian standards. My answer is no for the simple reason that we already have enough manual laborers (which is what he would more or less wind up being until he got his degree) and if we decide instead to pay for it ourselves then why aren't we doing that with our own citizens first ?
I think you've got the wrong impression here. I'm not against immigration at all. Quite the contrary, I'm all for as much as we can support. That's the key though...as much as we can
support. It's harder than most people realize to get the people we want and Canada consistently
fails to reach its immigration targets because we can't find people with the skills we need.
To me it makes more sense to offer free university tuition in selected fields to all Canadian citizens so that we have room at the bottom to accept those with few if any skills (providing they meet other requirements)
Another thing you need to think about is how post-secondary education operates in different countries. In East Asia it's really hit and miss but for most kids, high school is actually the most difficult time of their lives. University is the downward slope. Sometimes it's a testament to how grueling high school is for these kids (and it is. It basically robs them of some of their most important years) and at other times it's a testament to how useless a lot of their post-secondary institutions are. Unfortunately, the latter possibility is usually the case. That was what I was trying to impress upon you in my previous post. If they didn't get their degree in a fully developed nation then there's a good chance that you have no use for whatever skills their degree claims they've been trained in.
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