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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 2:27 PM
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Do you have any links about the current bar, Nadeau? I just did a Google search and was unable to find anything at all, regardless of which search terms I tried.

I can't recall exactly when I revisited the Knickerbocker (maybe around 2005 or so?), but when I walked in there was no bar (or anything even remotely similar) to be found.

A young watchman/security guard came over and asked me if I needed anything; when I asked him what became of the bar that used to be in the lobby he had no idea what I was talking about. He told me he'd never before heard of any bar being in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.

Here is a photo of the lobby bar, courtesy of the California State Library. The date given is “192-?”, which I suspect is inaccurate - the figure on the right of the mural seems(?) to be using a television camera:

It looks like whatever bar it was, is now closed. There is this article about a cafe/bar that was in that space in the 90s, but I was there in the 20teens for sure. The color photo in the article looks like the same space, so maybe they have the dates wrong. https://www.seeing-stars.com/Landmar...kerHotel.shtml

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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 4:40 PM
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shorpy.com



So we have...Eric Johnson....age 33, divorced, from Oklahoma
Arthur Cox....age 32, "m" for married (but there's a line through it, so maybe divorced or separated), he was from Michigan
Victor Johnson....age 37, single, like Eric he was an Okie
Winfield Prentis (I believe he was misidentified, see below)....age 29, single, from New Mexico



So who's in the snapshot?....the Johnsons, the two musicians?....or some combination thereof?


I'd say it's the Johnson brothers in the picture.

There's a strong resemblance - eyes, noses, forehead and face shapes.


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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 4:58 PM
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Back in the '90s, there was a cool and quirky coffeehouse in the lobby of the Knickerbocker. It looked more like a living room than anything like a Starbucks, and you could actually buy pieces of the decor if you liked them - there were tons of interesting knickknacks, like vintage style ashtrays, costume jewelry, and other assorted items.

I used to hang out there with my friends. Sadly, the lobby coffeehouse disappeared sometime since the '90s...


Here's a 1995 write-up on The All-Star Theatre Café & Speakeasy in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.




allstartheatrecafe.com
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 6:15 PM
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The Knickerbocker Mural

I fiddled with the picture a bit to bring it up:



and I'm pretty sure that the figure on the right is operating a TV camera. There were boxy movie cameras in the 20's but I'm not aware of any that had a lens turret. Also, the proportions of the (probable) thermostat on the post in the main picture fits that of a Honeywell T42, which was made between 1939 and 1953. Given that, and the mid-century style of the mural, I would date picture to 1950 plus or minus a couple.

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..................Mitzi, Let's Go!





City bus in front of Pickwick Books on Hollywood Blvd. [1969].................Very cool red VW!


recently found on eBay



I'm curious about the storefront you see behind the bus. At first I thought it might be a Christian Science Reading Room.




Here's a closer look.




Thelan's _ _ _ _ _ Center. ...My first guess was Career Center. . . but it doesn't quite fit.



There also appears to be numbers that light up along with the rest of the sign.


detail

_87(?)

Union Local? ..........Street Address?







And there are two separate signs mostly hidden by the bus.



.........................................Narco?..................Marco?






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From the 1969 CD:

Hollywood Boulevard

6731 THELANS CAMERA CNTR 464-9443
6733 NORCO STAMP-COIN CO 467-4804
6735 REINGOLD L M 467-3051
6737 DE KEYSER MUSIC 465-5035
6739 PARTRIDGE BOOKSTORE 466-1477
6743 PICKWICK BOOKSHOP 469-8191
6743 PICKWICK BOOKSHOP 275-8191
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 8:20 PM
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A mystery location.

I keep coming across this slide on eBay & each time I pause & wonder where this bus terminal was located.


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"Los Angeles Bus Terminal Gray Line 1989 Original 35mm Slide".................................................





I've also been tring to figuring out the different stops on the tour.


detail


I think I've figured out the Hollywood Tour:

HOLLYWOOD

PLAZA

KNICKERBOCKER

ROOSEVELT (HOTEL)




The Santa Monica Tour is much more difficult to figure out:

SANTA MONICA

umm. . .BAR (?)

err. . . ?

hmmm. . . . ?



I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the touristy dude in the striped shorts. (very 1980s)


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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 9:26 PM
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There also appears to be numbers that light up along with the rest of the sign.


detail

_87(?)
Here's an earlier view of (Ray) Thelan's Camera Center from almost eight years ago on NLA. The full post showing more of the block is here.

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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 11:19 PM
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Do you have any links about the current bar, Nadeau? I just did a Google search and was unable to find anything at all, regardless of which search terms I tried.

I can't recall exactly when I revisited the Knickerbocker (maybe around 2005 or so?), but when I walked in there was no bar (or anything even remotely similar) to be found.
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Last night I was watching a youtube video where a couple gentlemen, with video camera in hand, who are Elvis enthusiasts, came to visit the Knickerbocker to look at where some of the Elvis photoshoot took place when he stayed there in 1956. They go into the lobby and some guy that works there ushers them out again, but...he happens to be an Elvis fan, too, and did that for show, inviting them to come back and he gives a tour, of sorts, to them.

In the videos they look for locations of where the Elvis pictures were taken, including up on the roof, and where he stayed. (They show the historic photos and try to match them.) They also talk about other things, some I mentioned here:

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The Knickerbocker Hotel is where Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio often met in the hotel bar. Elvis Presley stayed at the hotel (Room 1016) while making his first film, Love Me Tender (1956) and a famous photoshoot of him was done there. For thirty years, it was the residence of actor William Frawley. Laurel and Hardy stayed in room 205, where they were surprised by the crew for an episode of This is Your Life, and Graham Nash lived there in 1968.
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The guy who works there also lives there and takes him into his room at one point. Lots of interesting stuff. There's panoramas from the present day roof top, both day and night and I think a little drone footage, too.

All of the videos were posted in Dec. of 2019, which I was assuming when they were shot, but it just occurred to me that the Capitol Records building did not have their Christmas tree up on their rooftop, so it had to have been before December sometime.

It's in 3 parts, about 45 minute total:

Elvis Presley Knickerbocker Hotel 1956 Love Me Tender Hollywood The Spa Guy Part #1 of 3 (14:56)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9DqP9XxBo

Elvis Presley Knickerbocker Hotel 1956 Love Me Tender Hollywood The Spa Guy Part #2 of 3 (16:18)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU8kw8ED7i4

Elvis Presley Knickerbocker Hotel 1956 Love Me Tender Hollywood The Spa Guy Part #3 of 3 (13:45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrgBhAkvY5o

And a follow up that corrects a couple informative things:
Elvis Presley Why Kicked out of Knickerbocker Hotel Hollywood The Spa Guy
(13:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxRJcV3QCUU
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2020, 4:12 AM
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It looks like whatever bar it was, is now closed. There is this article about a cafe/bar that was in that space in the 90s, but I was there in the 20teens for sure. The color photo in the article looks like the same space, so maybe they have the dates wrong. https://www.seeing-stars.com/Landmar...kerHotel.shtml
That photograph is exactly how I remember it! The text matches my memories, too.



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...the bar area was boarded up and left unused for almost 25 years, before it was re-opened in the 90's as a posh, nostalgic coffee shop called "The All-Star Theatre Café & Speakeasy." Unfortunately, the Café lost its lease recently and planned to move to the nearby Vogue Theatre (which also has a reputation for being haunted).

The café did its best to bring back the Art Deco glamour of the Roaring 20's - the chandeliers originally belonged to Liberace, and you still found a Ouija board on one of the coffee shop's tables, in honor of Mr. Houdini. You could play pool, backgammon or chess, relax on overstuffed sofas... they even sold vintage evening gowns and jewelry on the side.
If you were there in the 20teens, nadeau, I must be mistaken about the date when I returned to the place (with the “All-Star” no longer there). The closest I can guess about the date of my re-visit would be “some time between 2005 and 2015”. I honestly can't remember the date more precisely than that.

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Here's a 1995 write-up on The All-Star Theatre Café & Speakeasy in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.

allstartheatrecafe.com
Thanks for that link, Noir_Noir!
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That photograph is exactly how I remember it! The text matches my memories, too.




If you were there in the 20teens, nadeau, I must be mistaken about the date when I returned to the place (with the “All-Star” no longer there). The closest I can guess about the date of my re-visit would be “some time between 2005 and 2015”. I honestly can't remember the date more precisely than that.


Thanks for that link, Noir_Noir!
It looks, Scott Charles, like our memory of a place (post All-Star) is coming more into focus. For me, I t could have been any time between 2009 and 2015. I stumbled across it just before seeing something at Pantages. Maybe it was a pop-up thing, or a short term venture. Hollywood Blvd was experiencing a peak in nightlife at the time. Whatever it was, it was pretty swank, and I recall some sort of very large curtain that I assumed was hiding a door to the lobby area.
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Thanks for figuring out the mystery signs, Hoss...(Thelan's Career Center & Norco Stamp-Coin)...I appreciate it.


Here's a mystery street corner in Los Angeles showing a newsboy in the 1940s. ... Link



eBay


I know it's the 1940s because the Examiner is offering "Miss Liberty" Dolls. ....I'm always surprised by the amount of litter in these old photographs.





but I'm not 100% sure what the boy's sign says. At first I thought it said "Buy a Paper Get One Free"

but it's worded a bit differently.



hmmm . . . is it "Buy a Paper, Information Free"?

also what is this sign attached too? It looks like an old highway marker.

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Here is an exceptional photograph of the historically famous Lugo House [1894] currently listed on eBay



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The information is also written on the back of the photograph.






Perhaps one of you transit fans can tell me what the two men are doing to the rails.



If I had to guess I'd say they're prying them up. (but that doesn't make much sense)



For search purposes:....Chinatown, Los Angeles 1894
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If I had to guess I'd say they're prying them up. (but that doesn't make much sense)



For search purposes:....Chinatown, Los Angeles 1894
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Over the years the rails get slightly out of alignment and the trolleys run wacky. The rails need to be realigned....often less than half an inch.

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Here's a mystery street corner in Los Angeles showing a newsboy in the 1940s. ... Link



eBay


I know it's the 1940s because the Examiner is offering "Miss Liberty" Dolls. ....
Agfa Film (as seen on the awning) was a Belgian-German company. In 1941 their American assets were seized as enemy property, and the American part of the company was rechristened as Ansco. In 1945 when the Allies broke up IG Farben, Agfa reappeared as an individual business.

So I suppose that would rule out the years 1941 through 1945 for the photograph?
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The Examiner sign says free doll maybe that is what the hand written sign refers to. The sign may be attached to a mail box post (one of those small ones). I have seen a few of those still around years ago. I believe cut rate drugs was Thrifty Drug Stores come on. I sold papers on corners (Herald Express) and in the street in the late fifties and this photo predates my time selling papers. If you look carefully you can see the mailbox on the other side of the post..

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From the 1899 Blue and White-- LAHS's yearbook
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Agfa Film (as seen on the awning) was a Belgian-German company. In 1941 their American assets were seized as enemy property, and the American part of the company was rechristened as Ansco. In 1945 when the Allies broke up IG Farben, Agfa reappeared as an individual business.

So I suppose that would rule out the years 1941 through 1945 for the photograph?
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I wouldn't necessarily rule that out. There could be any number of reasons why it would still say Agfa Film on the awning in any of those years, IMO.

Stream of consciousness...It's an intriguing photo because there's so little in the way of clues. All the readable store signs are pretty generic, Discount Drugs, Cutrate, Sells for Less. There are no other people in the photograph on the street. The bicycle on the left has a lot of things hanging from it. The boy seems more contemporary than usually seen in a 40's photograph, maybe it's that hat. Or the collared polo-type shirt? The car one can see in the reflection in the store windows looks modern to my eyes, but it's a reflection. At the end of the street, is that a truck in the road? Is that white line in the picture a crease in it? What's on the crate by the boy's feet? At the end of the walk it looks like a pole in the middle of the sidewalk? I'm assuming the Miss Liberty Dolls advertised are paper dolls? Why is someone from Cambridge Springs, PA, selling this photograph and where did it come from?
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Fire destroys roof and interior of San Gabriel Mission church:

https://www.sgvtribune.com/2020/07/1...n-san-gabriel/

Fortunately, it stopped short of the altar; and, due to a renovation effort going on (which was probably the cause of the fire), most or all of the historic items had been removed to another location.
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Calle de La Caridad (Charity Street)?

It was always my understanding that the street formerly known as Charity Street was our modern-day Grand Avenue.

However, the linked book gives that legacy to two different streets - Grand and Spring:





Is the second paragraph simply in error? My understanding is that Spring Street used to be called Beware (or Lookout) Street....
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