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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 1:31 AM
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I got excited for a brief moment the other day when I saw the McDonald's up here in Lincoln square had been ripped down.

Sadly, it will be replaced by another shitty-ass suburban style McD's that will take a dump upon my neighborhood for another generation or two.

Why does McDonald's suck so hard?
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 7:03 AM
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I got excited for a brief moment the other day when I saw the McDonald's up here in Lincoln square had been ripped down.

Sadly, it will be replaced by another shitty-ass suburban style McD's that will take a dump upon my neighborhood for another generation or two.

Why does McDonald's suck so hard?
That sucks. It's taking up such a great location.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 12:50 PM
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^ Don't really see why a 1200 footer is necessary right there considering it's right across the street from trump. Unless you like your 120 footers all bunched up together. I for one like mine spread out a bit. Besides, there's plenty more sites (more suitable ones) available in the surrounding area for 1200+ footers. I do agree anything 600 ft or below would be a let down though.
How many blocks of land that size literally a half block off Michigan Avenue? One could argue this anything less than 800ft would be a total let down.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 6:50 PM
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Why only a half mile? There are numerous large lots, parking garages, and low-flung/underutilized buildings within a 5 to 7 block radius of Trump tower that could support a Supertall. You can find at least half a dozen spots east of Michigan alone. The Loop has several big parking garages that I hope will eventually make way for new Supertalls (would love a new tallest in the Loop) in the future.

Ideally, I'd like to see a two tower situation, similar in height to the current 400 N. LSD proposal, go in the lot behind trump.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2020, 3:22 PM
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Why only a half mile? There are numerous large lots, parking garages, and low-flung/underutilized buildings within a 5 to 7 block radius of Trump tower that could support a Supertall. You can find at least half a dozen spots east of Michigan alone. The Loop has several big parking garages that I hope will eventually make way for new Supertalls (would love a new tallest in the Loop) in the future.

Ideally, I'd like to see a two tower situation, similar in height to the current 400 N. LSD proposal, go in the lot behind trump.
Doesn't look like a super tall is planned. From Pepper Constructions website.

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Old Posted Jun 21, 2020, 3:09 AM
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eyesore surface lot. build anything
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2020, 6:58 PM
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With how many white/beige buildings are nearby, hopefully something with blue or green glass is built with multiple setbacks a la OC or NEMA.
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ugh and a massive parking podium too though, wtf? haven't we had enough of those downtown?
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2020, 2:51 PM
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ugh and a massive parking podium too though, wtf? haven't we had enough of those downtown?
What do you expect them to replace a fitness club with ?
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2020, 3:11 PM
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ugh and a massive parking podium too though, wtf? haven't we had enough of those downtown?
Nobody said it was a parking podium. One Chicago has a huge podium but most of it is active space - retail, fitness, some residential, etc.

Also with the multi-level streets in this area there's always gonna be some kind of podium.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 6:34 PM
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Crecent heights bought the biggish lot just south of R+D. Personally, this lot has been near the top of my shortlist of surface lots I have wanted to see developed.

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The acquisition by Crescent Heights—which built the South Loop's tallest skyscraper—stands out at a time many developers, investors and lenders have hit the pause button because of the coronavirus pandemic.





After building the tallest skyscraper in the South Loop, a Miami residential developer has found a site in the West Loop for another big project.

Crescent Heights paid $20.1 million for a 36,000-square-foot parcel at 640 W. Washington Blvd., currently a parking lot just east of the Kennedy Expressway, according to the Chicago office of CBRE, which brokered the sale.
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Meh I've seen this lot change hands a few times, this doesn't mean construction is imminent. I hope they can pull something off though, it's probably big enough for two towers and a retail podium.

It's on the wrong side of the Kennedy though, all the action is around Fulton Market. With that and the expressway, this is definitely a B-grade site. Crescent Heights should create their own focal point here unless they're fine with it being a snoozeville.
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I just want something tall and good looking on that lot. Like 700-900ft would be great
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 8:21 PM
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Meh I've seen this lot change hands a few times, this doesn't mean construction is imminent. I hope they can pull something off though, it's probably big enough for two towers and a retail podium.

It's on the wrong side of the Kennedy though, all the action is around Fulton Market. With that and the expressway, this is definitely a B-grade site. Crescent Heights should create their own focal point here unless they're fine with it being a snoozeville.
I'd imagine an ok place for residential--10 minute walk to the businesses/restaurants/shopping in the West Loop, but avoid late night noise and crowds.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 8:23 PM
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Meh I've seen this lot change hands a few times, this doesn't mean construction is imminent. I hope they can pull something off though, it's probably big enough for two towers and a retail podium.

It's on the wrong side of the Kennedy though, all the action is around Fulton Market. With that and the expressway, this is definitely a B-grade site. Crescent Heights should create their own focal point here unless they're fine with it being a snoozeville.
Hmm, I am not sure that is entirely accurate any more, maybe not even since around the time the last K station building went up. The corridor east of the Kennedy to the river between Kinzie and ~Washington has grown pretty vibrant and is very much a residential forward mixed use neighborhood. It's no longer parking lots, a couple no name bars, + blackbird.

Additionally, and anecdotally, the slow march of residential infill in the surrounding neighborhoods over the last 10 years—often similarly bisected by infrastructure—has hit some sort of critical mass where things like the Kennedy appear to matter less. I think about this a lot any time I walk through Milwaukee/Grand intersection. It is like a 2 block square concrete island that has somehow become a pedestrian friendly residential outpost.

Sure, it more quiet that Fulton or Randolph just west of the Kennedy. But I don't know that means they need to worry about adding a focal point. Assuming it's residential, anything with some reasonable density would be a positive.

As you said though, I don't expect anything to happen here imminently

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Also, one tiny step closer to a possible (albeit unlikely) capping of the Kennedy from Lake-Van Buren
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Hmm, I am not sure that is entirely accurate any more, maybe not even since around the time the last K station building went up. The corridor east of the Kennedy to the river between Kinzie and ~Washington has grown pretty vibrant and is very much a residential forward mixed use neighborhood. It's no longer parking lots, a couple no name bars, + blackbird.
There's more residential, but really NOT more of anything else. It's honestly funny to me how the West Loop beyond the Kennedy has filled up while the "West Loop Gate" east of the Kennedy has languished, despite being closer to Loop jobs and CTA/Metra links. It just doesn't have an identity.

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Additionally, and anecdotally, the slow march of residential infill in the surrounding neighborhoods over the last 10 years—often similarly bisected by infrastructure—has hit some sort of critical mass where things like the Kennedy appear to matter less. I think about this a lot any time I walk through Milwaukee/Grand intersection. It is like a 2 block square concrete island that has somehow become a pedestrian friendly residential outpost.
Well, this has a subway station directly below, with direct links to the Loop and O'Hare... that can't be overstated as a driver of development. It also had a reputation/identity as a little dining cluster dating back to the Italian "old neighborhood" days, with La Scarola and Como Inn drawing people even 30 years ago.

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Sure, it more quiet that Fulton or Randolph just west of the Kennedy. But I don't know that means they need to worry about adding a focal point. Assuming it's residential, anything with some reasonable density would be a positive.
I'm not necessarily referring to nightlife, but it would be great to see the developers provide some large-scale retail space to lure a medium-box retailer like a Trader Joe's, Petco, etc. They could also split the project with residential and hotel phases, a select-service hotel with budget pricing (like the McSams in NYC) would generate a lot of foot traffic and drive demand for dining, convenience stores, etc.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 9:51 PM
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In terms of new, large developments, I guess I see? Emme and the hotel(s) on Jefferson are the only recent buildings. But, there are only 2-3 open lots outside of this one in this area left any ways.

But, Lake street has really filled out with your run of the mill neighborhood type fitness/shipping/fast food places along with some better than typical restaurants/bars like moneygun and kumiko. Randolph built on the success of avec and blackbird and has filled in with a half dozen similarly aspirational places.

The area still has to balance its transient office worker mix, but personality wise it has changed the last couple years.

The larger point I was trying to make around Milwaukee/Grand was not so much to question why it is doing well. (naturally the blue line stop helps drive that) Only that I think it is the kind of place that can be similarly overlooked for geographic reasons and can be prone to not-quite-up-to-date perspectives of what it is like there.

Ultimately retail of some sort would be great, I guess I hadn't considered med-box. Hotel is an interesting idea as well, would be nice if it didn't skew towards business travel quite as much as the Hilton flags on Jefferson.

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Also, one tiny step closer to a possible (albeit unlikely) capping of the Kennedy from Lake-Van Buren
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Re: the capping, Steve Fifield was all gung-ho about this a few years ago, even looking to contribute private funding, until he realized just how completely and utterly impossible it is to build infrastructure in this city.

Even if you had the money, you'd probably need to have the governor on board to overrule all the bean counters at IDOT. Alderman Burnett supports it, for whatever that's worth.

If the cap is long enough, it might even be considered a tunnel, and any trucks carrying hazardous materials would need to be re-routed. There's no good expressway alternative, so they'd probably be forced onto Ashland or Western.
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